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 2012-10-30 1:18 PM in reply to: #4475060 |
 Subject: RE: So, What Happens To You If You Train Too Much?Ghostfacekiller - 2012-10-30 11:19 AM Tom Demerly. - 2012-10-29 6:12 PM Serious question. I see so many posts about people doing Ironman, here, on other forums and on Facebook, about tapers and relatively (in my opinion) low mileage weeks leading up to Ironman. Obviously we understand the concept of "overtraining", but, is that the concern? Injury? An accident? Maybe it is my perspective, but I see so much moderation in U.S. training doctrine (for an elitist fringe sport that most Americans barely know exists, let alone care about.) To contrast, my experience living in Belgium as an amateur athlete (cyclist) exposed me to a different perception. What do you think? It’s totally your perspective. I’m new to triathlon. I’ve done three sprints and an oly. In my limited experience in Florida, triathlon is a sport for people with money who’ve grown too old to play whatever sport they grew up playing who want to prove something to themselves, and younger people who aren’t very good athletes. Top tiered American athletes don’t do endurance sports. We care about explosive athleticism and violence. It doesn’t have anything to do with training methods.
On second or third thought... I may have missed a pretty good troll...
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| 2012-10-30 1:35 PM in reply to: #4475261 |
Regular  92  Jacksonville | Subject: RE: So, What Happens To You If You Train Too Much? Left Brain - 2012-10-30 1:54 PM Ghostfacekiller - 2012-10-30 11:19 AM Tom Demerly. - 2012-10-29 6:12 PM Serious question. I see so many posts about people doing Ironman, here, on other forums and on Facebook, about tapers and relatively (in my opinion) low mileage weeks leading up to Ironman. Obviously we understand the concept of "overtraining", but, is that the concern? Injury? An accident? Maybe it is my perspective, but I see so much moderation in U.S. training doctrine (for an elitist fringe sport that most Americans barely know exists, let alone care about.) To contrast, my experience living in Belgium as an amateur athlete (cyclist) exposed me to a different perception. What do you think? It’s totally your perspective. I’m new to triathlon. I’ve done three sprints and an oly. In my limited experience in Florida, triathlon is a sport for people with money who’ve grown too old to play whatever sport they grew up playing who want to prove something to themselves, and younger people who aren’t very good athletes. Top tiered American athletes don’t do endurance sports. We care about explosive athleticism and violence. It doesn’t have anything to do with training methods.
Can you explain what you meant by that? They're not on any ball teams. They're not on the school swim team. They're not on the school cross country team or track team. They're not on any club cycling teams. They're not big. They're not strong. They're not fast. It's important to understand that I do not mean that as a negative in any way, shape, or form. I'm stating it as a biological truth. |
| 2012-10-30 1:41 PM in reply to: #4475271 |
Regular 92 Jacksonville | Subject: RE: So, What Happens To You If You Train Too Much? How would Allistair Brownlee do in the Olympic 10,000m? He'd come in dead last. He'd get lapped. How would he do in any of the swimming events? 15 year old Katie Ledecky against Allistair Brownlee in the 800m freestyle, who wins?
Also the Brownlee brothers are English. |
| 2012-10-30 1:41 PM in reply to: #4474209 |
| Subject: RE: So, What Happens To You If You Train Too Much? Still a troll. |
| 2012-10-30 1:43 PM in reply to: #4475347 |
Member 5452  NC | Subject: RE: So, What Happens To You If You Train Too Much? Ghostfacekiller - 2012-10-30 2:35 PM I'm stating it as a biological truth. Is that like a biblical truth?
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| 2012-10-30 1:44 PM in reply to: #4475372 |
| Subject: RE: So, What Happens To You If You Train Too Much? Goosedog - 2012-10-30 1:43 PM Ghostfacekiller - 2012-10-30 2:35 PM I'm stating it as a biological truth. Is that like a biblical truth?
I think it's an uneducated guess. |
| 2012-10-30 1:45 PM in reply to: #4475365 |
1660  | Subject: RE: So, What Happens To You If You Train Too Much? Ghostfacekiller - 2012-10-30 1:41 PM How would Allistair Brownlee do in the Olympic 10,000m? He'd come in dead last. He'd get lapped. How would he do in any of the swimming events? 15 year old Katie Ledecky against Allistair Brownlee in the 800m freestyle, who wins?
Also the Brownlee brothers are English.
You're wrong on this one, completely, actually.
The Brownlees are EXTREMELY fast runners. In fact, they ran so fast in this Olympic triathlon that their 10k in the triathlon was faster than the last place runner in the standalone 10k event.
They wouldn't win the event, but they absolutely would not get lapped. They ran a few standalone running races last year or before in a world-class elite pure runner field and came in the top third.
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| 2012-10-30 1:46 PM in reply to: #4475347 |
Regular 285 Missouri | Subject: RE: So, What Happens To You If You Train Too Much? Ghostfacekiller - 2012-10-30 1:35 PM They're not on any ball teams. They're not on the school swim team. They're not on the school cross country team or track team. They're not on any club cycling teams. They're not big. They're not strong. They're not fast. It's important to understand that I do not mean that as a negative in any way, shape, or form. I'm stating it as a biological truth. lol are you 12? you don't have to be be big and strong to be a good athlete. lol. Edited by nolken 2012-10-30 2:11 PM |
| 2012-10-30 1:46 PM in reply to: #4475347 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: So, What Happens To You If You Train Too Much? Ghostfacekiller - 2012-10-30 1:35 PM Left Brain - 2012-10-30 1:54 PM Ghostfacekiller - 2012-10-30 11:19 AM Tom Demerly. - 2012-10-29 6:12 PM Serious question. I see so many posts about people doing Ironman, here, on other forums and on Facebook, about tapers and relatively (in my opinion) low mileage weeks leading up to Ironman. Obviously we understand the concept of "overtraining", but, is that the concern? Injury? An accident? Maybe it is my perspective, but I see so much moderation in U.S. training doctrine (for an elitist fringe sport that most Americans barely know exists, let alone care about.) To contrast, my experience living in Belgium as an amateur athlete (cyclist) exposed me to a different perception. What do you think? It’s totally your perspective. I’m new to triathlon. I’ve done three sprints and an oly. In my limited experience in Florida, triathlon is a sport for people with money who’ve grown too old to play whatever sport they grew up playing who want to prove something to themselves, and younger people who aren’t very good athletes. Top tiered American athletes don’t do endurance sports. We care about explosive athleticism and violence. It doesn’t have anything to do with training methods.
Can you explain what you meant by that? They're not on any ball teams. They're not on the school swim team. They're not on the school cross country team or track team. They're not on any club cycling teams. They're not big. They're not strong. They're not fast. It's important to understand that I do not mean that as a negative in any way, shape, or form. I'm stating it as a biological truth. You need to get around more and check your "truths". It turned out that I ended up being very close to youth and junior triathlon. The kids I'm talking about are phenomenal athletes. They don't swim on their HS teams because they swim on a club year 'round. These kids all swim AA-AAAA National times in multiple events. Some run XC and track, but many don't because their state laws don't allow them to compete in "outside" sports while they do school sports. These kids run 15:00 - 17:00 5K's. If you can't hold 22 - 25 mph on a bike for 12 miles then you aren't even in the same ballpark as these kids. Not big and fast? ........you have no idea. Like I said.....you need to get out more. I don't know where you are in Florida....there is a Youth Elite race in Clermont in March.....go watch....and learn. |
| 2012-10-30 1:48 PM in reply to: #4475372 |
| New user 81 | Subject: RE: So, What Happens To You If You Train Too Much? Around here (Washington USA), young triathletes are mostly swimmers and runners who want to keep competing during their offseason. They are often the most athletically talented at the race, albeit often only at one leg  . I think it varies a lot regionally - where I grew up in California almost everyone swam competitively at some point, whereas I hear in other parts of the country almost nobody does. Certainly the proportion of young Americans competitively running, for example, is less than in, say, Jamaica or Kenya, but that's partly a function of the availability of other alternatives. We also find football, basketball, etc. more entertaining to watch, so we pay more for it, so there's an additional draw towards those sports. But there are still many talented young athletes competing at triathlon. |
| 2012-10-30 1:50 PM in reply to: #4475347 |
| Subject: RE: So, What Happens To You If You Train Too Much? Ghostfacekiller - 2012-10-30 11:35 AM Left Brain - 2012-10-30 1:54 PM Ghostfacekiller - 2012-10-30 11:19 AM Tom Demerly. - 2012-10-29 6:12 PM Serious question. I see so many posts about people doing Ironman, here, on other forums and on Facebook, about tapers and relatively (in my opinion) low mileage weeks leading up to Ironman. Obviously we understand the concept of "overtraining", but, is that the concern? Injury? An accident? Maybe it is my perspective, but I see so much moderation in U.S. training doctrine (for an elitist fringe sport that most Americans barely know exists, let alone care about.) To contrast, my experience living in Belgium as an amateur athlete (cyclist) exposed me to a different perception. What do you think? It’s totally your perspective. I’m new to triathlon. I’ve done three sprints and an oly. In my limited experience in Florida, triathlon is a sport for people with money who’ve grown too old to play whatever sport they grew up playing who want to prove something to themselves, and younger people who aren’t very good athletes. Top tiered American athletes don’t do endurance sports. We care about explosive athleticism and violence. It doesn’t have anything to do with training methods.
Can you explain what you meant by that? They're not on any ball teams. They're not on the school swim team. They're not on the school cross country team or track team. They're not on any club cycling teams. They're not big. They're not strong. They're not fast. It's important to understand that I do not mean that as a negative in any way, shape, or form. I'm stating it as a biological truth. wait wait wait..... popcorn is just about ready |
| 2012-10-30 1:51 PM in reply to: #4474209 |
| 1660 | Subject: RE: So, What Happens To You If You Train Too Much? Agree - while it is true that in prior years/decades, triathlon was more of a 'niche' sport, it's rapidly becoming very mainstream. The top athletes today, even in youth events, are stellar endurance athletes, with no compromise. These aren't just track and field or swimming dropouts. There are a lot of up a coming youngsters who choose to not be the absolute tops in one sports because they love multisport.
Just take a look at the ITU racing scene and compare it to a decade or so ago. While Chris McCormack used to be able to smash the field 10+ years ago even when he was pretty new to the sport, he has no chance today despite not getting substantively slower - it's just everyone else has gotten so much faster.
Your opinions that triathletes are the 'leftover' athletes are misguided and reflect more on your inexperience with the sport than the reality of it. Triathlon is one of the fastest growing sports today, and it's become quite high profile. It's definitely not on par with basketball, football, or other major league sports in popularity, but it's not just a small niche sport anymore in terms of interest. |
| 2012-10-30 2:20 PM in reply to: #4475400 |
Pro 6011 Camp Hill, Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: So, What Happens To You If You Train Too Much? ChrisM - 2012-10-30 2:50 PM Ghostfacekiller - 2012-10-30 11:35 AM Left Brain - 2012-10-30 1:54 PM Ghostfacekiller - 2012-10-30 11:19 AM Tom Demerly. - 2012-10-29 6:12 PM Serious question. I see so many posts about people doing Ironman, here, on other forums and on Facebook, about tapers and relatively (in my opinion) low mileage weeks leading up to Ironman. Obviously we understand the concept of "overtraining", but, is that the concern? Injury? An accident? Maybe it is my perspective, but I see so much moderation in U.S. training doctrine (for an elitist fringe sport that most Americans barely know exists, let alone care about.) To contrast, my experience living in Belgium as an amateur athlete (cyclist) exposed me to a different perception. What do you think? It’s totally your perspective. I’m new to triathlon. I’ve done three sprints and an oly. In my limited experience in Florida, triathlon is a sport for people with money who’ve grown too old to play whatever sport they grew up playing who want to prove something to themselves, and younger people who aren’t very good athletes. Top tiered American athletes don’t do endurance sports. We care about explosive athleticism and violence. It doesn’t have anything to do with training methods.
Can you explain what you meant by that? They're not on any ball teams. They're not on the school swim team. They're not on the school cross country team or track team. They're not on any club cycling teams. They're not big. They're not strong. They're not fast. It's important to understand that I do not mean that as a negative in any way, shape, or form. I'm stating it as a biological truth. wait wait wait..... popcorn is just about ready Can I have some too? This is about to get really good.
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| 2012-10-30 3:26 PM in reply to: #4474209 |
Expert 900 | Subject: RE: So, What Happens To You If You Train Too Much? This thread is dumb. |
| 2012-10-30 3:51 PM in reply to: #4475365 |
Champion 9407 Montague Gold Mines, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: So, What Happens To You If You Train Too Much? Ghostfacekiller - 2012-10-30 3:41 PM How would Allistair Brownlee do in the Olympic 10,000m? He'd come in dead last. He'd get lapped. How would he do in any of the swimming events? 15 year old Katie Ledecky against Allistair Brownlee in the 800m freestyle, who wins?
Also the Brownlee brothers are English.  We have a new entry for the most ill informed thing I've seen on the Internet. Competition is fierce but always exciting to see a new entry. Shane |
| 2012-10-30 4:13 PM in reply to: #4474209 |
| 57 | Subject: RE: So, What Happens To You If You Train Too Much? Having grown up in Spain, I can attest, that most Europeans have a much more active life than most people in the U.S. It is not uncommon for many Europeans to walk or cycle to work. In the U.S. most people will drive to work. This relates to triathlon training because almost Europeans lead a much more active life, and their starting base for training is much higher. I may be completely off on this analysis, but my experience living on both continents leads me to believe that amateur triathletes are starting at a higher level in Europe than in the U.S. |
| 2012-10-30 5:26 PM in reply to: #4475720 |
Expert 1951 | Subject: RE: So, What Happens To You If You Train Too Much? amerimanyo - 2012-10-30 5:13 PM Having grown up in Spain, I can attest, that most Europeans have a much more active life than most people in the U.S. It is not uncommon for many Europeans to walk or cycle to work. In the U.S. most people will drive to work. This relates to triathlon training because almost Europeans lead a much more active life, and their starting base for training is much higher. I may be completely off on this analysis, but my experience living on both continents leads me to believe that amateur triathletes are starting at a higher level in Europe than in the U.S. See? This is what I deal with when I go abroad. |
| 2012-10-30 5:56 PM in reply to: #4475720 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: So, What Happens To You If You Train Too Much? amerimanyo - 2012-10-30 4:13 PM Having grown up in Spain, I can attest, that most Europeans have a much more active life than most people in the U.S. It is not uncommon for many Europeans to walk or cycle to work. In the U.S. most people will drive to work. This relates to triathlon training because almost Europeans lead a much more active life, and their starting base for training is much higher. I may be completely off on this analysis, but my experience living on both continents leads me to believe that amateur triathletes are starting at a higher level in Europe than in the U.S. That is exactly right....which explains why Spain and the rest of Europe did so well, overall, against the US in the last Olympics games......oh.......wait..... This would also explain how when you look at the last two years of World Junior ITU triathlon races......men's and women's, you see that the US has 3 of the 12 podiums....oh......uh.. Yeah, you're WAY off on your analysis, but nice try. |
| 2012-10-30 8:22 PM in reply to: #4475626 |
Master 1883 San Antone, Texas | Subject: RE: So, What Happens To You If You Train Too Much? RushTogether - 2012-10-30 3:26 PM This thread is dumb. This thread would be better if it were allowed to be an all out ST style beatdown. Edited by djastroman 2012-10-30 8:22 PM |
| 2012-10-30 8:27 PM in reply to: #4474209 |
| Expert 836 | Subject: RE: So, What Happens To You If You Train Too Much? The US, "lazy or not," kicks the European arse in sports period! Unless you consider golf a sport. Did you hear of the Olympics? Now on the economy, thats a different topic...lol |
| 2012-10-30 8:28 PM in reply to: #4475814 |
Expert 1951 | Subject: RE: So, What Happens To You If You Train Too Much? KateTri1 - 2012-10-30 6:26 PM amerimanyo - 2012-10-30 5:13 PM Having grown up in Spain, I can attest, that most Europeans have a much more active life than most people in the U.S. It is not uncommon for many Europeans to walk or cycle to work. In the U.S. most people will drive to work. This relates to triathlon training because almost Europeans lead a much more active life, and their starting base for training is much higher. I may be completely off on this analysis, but my experience living on both continents leads me to believe that amateur triathletes are starting at a higher level in Europe than in the U.S. See? This is what I deal with when I go abroad. [/QUOTE I'd say in general, the US urban sprawl does make it difficult to commute to work via healthy means. One has to make more of a conscious effort toward fitness. I was far more active naturally on a day to day basis when I was overseas. |
| 2012-10-30 8:40 PM in reply to: #4475976 |
Regular 285 Missouri | Subject: RE: So, What Happens To You If You Train Too Much? djastroman - 2012-10-30 8:22 PM RushTogether - 2012-10-30 3:26 PM This thread is dumb. This thread would be better if it were allowed to be an all out ST style beatdown. Lol i was thinking the same thing. if he had said that on ST he would have gotten castrated. i was thinking the whole time i was replying, "man i wish this was on ST. okay, so how do i say this BT style?" |
| 2012-10-30 8:42 PM in reply to: #4475988 |
Regular 285 Missouri | Subject: RE: So, What Happens To You If You Train Too Much? KateTri1 - 2012-10-30 8:28 PM KateTri1 - 2012-10-30 6:26 PM amerimanyo - 2012-10-30 5:13 PM Having grown up in Spain, I can attest, that most Europeans have a much more active life than most people in the U.S. It is not uncommon for many Europeans to walk or cycle to work. In the U.S. most people will drive to work. This relates to triathlon training because almost Europeans lead a much more active life, and their starting base for training is much higher. I may be completely off on this analysis, but my experience living on both continents leads me to believe that amateur triathletes are starting at a higher level in Europe than in the U.S. See? This is what I deal with when I go abroad. I'd say in general, the US urban sprawl does make it difficult to commute to work via healthy means. One has to make more of a conscious effort toward fitness. I was far more active naturally on a day to day basis when I was overseas. it also has to do with the fact that a lot of the US is spaced out much more. the population density in Europe is much higher. |
| 2012-10-30 10:12 PM in reply to: #4475985 |
| Subject: RE: So, What Happens To You If You Train Too Much? mad-dog - 2012-10-30 3:27 PM The US, "lazy or not," kicks the European arse in sports period! Unless you consider golf a sport. Did you hear of the Olympics? Now on the economy, thats a different topic...lol Do you consider triathlon a sport? Because Europe seems to kick some US arse in that sport. |
| 2012-10-30 10:16 PM in reply to: #4476079 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: So, What Happens To You If You Train Too Much? tri808 - 2012-10-30 10:12 PM mad-dog - 2012-10-30 3:27 PM The US, "lazy or not," kicks the European arse in sports period! Unless you consider golf a sport. Did you hear of the Olympics? Now on the economy, thats a different topic...lol Do you consider triathlon a sport? Because Europe seems to kick some US arse in that sport. Not for long.....wait and see. |
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