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2011-07-21 9:18 PM
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As a recent job seeker I can tell you it's awful out there. I graduated last spring with a B.B.A. in Economics and trying to find a job was impossible. I was working multiple jobs to get through school and fortunately for me one of those turned into my current job. For someone with no "real" experience though, you can't find a job opening to save your life. It took me a good 10 solid months of applying for jobs to even get some interest. I was very lucky to land the job I did. Thankfully one of my crappy college jobs opened the door for me.

The moral of this story. I was one of those people not qualified who was applying for your job openings.



2011-07-22 6:22 AM
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Renee - 2011-07-21 8:30 PM

ironannekidd - 2011-07-21 2:37 PM I work in the IT field and need to find a new job like you wouldn't believe, but I think the commute from PA would be a little much.

Let me be perfectly candid: I don't have clients seeking nekidd candidates.

If you have the skills and temperament, if you're what is called a Good Athlete, I'll work with you. Even if it means giving you a lead I can't pursue.

PM me, Bay-bee.

They may not be saying it, but if there are men involved, they are certainly thinking it.

2011-07-22 11:52 AM
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JoshR - 2011-07-21 7:18 PM

As a recent job seeker I can tell you it's awful out there. I graduated last spring with a B.B.A. in Economics and trying to find a job was impossible. I was working multiple jobs to get through school and fortunately for me one of those turned into my current job. For someone with no "real" experience though, you can't find a job opening to save your life. It took me a good 10 solid months of applying for jobs to even get some interest. I was very lucky to land the job I did. Thankfully one of my crappy college jobs opened the door for me.

The moral of this story. I was one of those people not qualified who was applying for your job openings.

I can tell you it's bad for everyone.  I've been a software engineer for 15 years; the past several years as lead engineer, and ran my own business for 3.  When I was out of work in 2009 it took me 6 months to find work.  I barely heard back from most of the places I applied at.  What made the difference was the network of people I've built up over the years and a friend bailed me out.

Not to say I'm unqualified for my current job, but it was who I knew that got my foot in the door.  It's tough out there for everyone right now and companies are still (I think unjustifiably) timid about hiring.

Some of the best hires I've made have been people who needed significant on-the-job training.  Positive attitude and willingness to learn count for a lot.  Especially in tech, I see interviewers get wrapped up in some trick problem on the whiteboard that someone could look up on Google in 30 seconds.  I want tenacious, creative people; not robots who memorize problems from an interview book.

Too bad more companies don't see it that way.

2011-07-22 1:13 PM
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2011-07-22 1:48 PM
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bctri21 - 2011-07-22 2:13 PM
JoshR - 2011-07-21 9:18 PM

As a recent job seeker I can tell you it's awful out there. I graduated last spring with a B.B.A. in Economics and trying to find a job was impossible. I was working multiple jobs to get through school and fortunately for me one of those turned into my current job. For someone with no "real" experience though, you can't find a job opening to save your life. It took me a good 10 solid months of applying for jobs to even get some interest. I was very lucky to land the job I did. Thankfully one of my crappy college jobs opened the door for me.

The moral of this story. I was one of those people not qualified who was applying for your job openings.

... I am frustrated with the huge qualifications expected and the low pay dished out.  ...



Coincidentally, employers are frustrated with the huge expectations and sense of entitlement and the lack of work ethic.

I'm not saying YOU possess any of those qualities, but with 9-10% unemployment, employers can afford to be picky.  And particularly in the IT field, more than any other, employers have been burned by over-promising, under-performing employees who think they are worth more than they are.

The key is picking the company - not the job that you're applying for.  Then just work hard and create results.  In good companies, those that produce get rewarded.

2011-07-22 2:01 PM
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2011-07-22 2:09 PM
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roch1009 - 2011-07-22 1:48 PM
bctri21 - 2011-07-22 2:13 PM
JoshR - 2011-07-21 9:18 PM

As a recent job seeker I can tell you it's awful out there. I graduated last spring with a B.B.A. in Economics and trying to find a job was impossible. I was working multiple jobs to get through school and fortunately for me one of those turned into my current job. For someone with no "real" experience though, you can't find a job opening to save your life. It took me a good 10 solid months of applying for jobs to even get some interest. I was very lucky to land the job I did. Thankfully one of my crappy college jobs opened the door for me.

The moral of this story. I was one of those people not qualified who was applying for your job openings.

... I am frustrated with the huge qualifications expected and the low pay dished out.  ...



Coincidentally, employers are frustrated with the huge expectations and sense of entitlement and the lack of work ethic.

I'm not saying YOU possess any of those qualities, but with 9-10% unemployment, employers can afford to be picky.  And particularly in the IT field, more than any other, employers have been burned by over-promising, under-performing employees who think they are worth more than they are.

The key is picking the company - not the job that you're applying for.  Then just work hard and create results.  In good companies, those that produce get rewarded.



This has been the case for a while now. 

At my job a few years ago, they were hiring for entry level microbiologist.  One guy actually had the nerve, during the walk through tour part of the interview, to start saying, "I wouldn't do it that way, i would do it this way" and "I would change that", etc.  And then, even worse, had the cahones, at the end of the interview, to attempt to increase the starting salary because he was over qualified.

At the same joint, we had one person that didn't understand why they weren't already a manager after they had been there for "9 months already".  "I know what I'm doing, I should be more responsibility and pay and be a manager", even though we had no opening, and they hadn't even come close to demonstrating any leadership skills whatsoever.

Sorry, didn't mean to hijack.  Back to your regularly scheduled program.Tongue out
2011-07-22 3:42 PM
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roch1009 - 2011-07-22 11:48 AM
bctri21 - 2011-07-22 2:13 PM
JoshR - 2011-07-21 9:18 PM

As a recent job seeker I can tell you it's awful out there. I graduated last spring with a B.B.A. in Economics and trying to find a job was impossible. I was working multiple jobs to get through school and fortunately for me one of those turned into my current job. For someone with no "real" experience though, you can't find a job opening to save your life. It took me a good 10 solid months of applying for jobs to even get some interest. I was very lucky to land the job I did. Thankfully one of my crappy college jobs opened the door for me.

The moral of this story. I was one of those people not qualified who was applying for your job openings.

... I am frustrated with the huge qualifications expected and the low pay dished out.  ...



Coincidentally, employers are frustrated with the huge expectations and sense of entitlement and the lack of work ethic.

I'm not saying YOU possess any of those qualities, but with 9-10% unemployment, employers can afford to be picky.  And particularly in the IT field, more than any other, employers have been burned by over-promising, under-performing employees who think they are worth more than they are.

The key is picking the company - not the job that you're applying for.  Then just work hard and create results.  In good companies, those that produce get rewarded.

Conversely, I would say good engineers are frustrated with employers (usually with nothing more than the obligatory MBA) who'd rather save a few bucks and outsource something, then they wonder why it's poorly documented, difficult to integrate and barely maintainable.

It's not engineers who have a sense of entitlement in this economy.  We could play that hand in the dot-com boom but right now it's everyone fighting for scraps and employers know it.

2011-07-22 6:54 PM
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Subject: RE: Show me your RESUME
roch1009 - 2011-07-22 12:48 PM
bctri21 - 2011-07-22 2:13 PM
JoshR - 2011-07-21 9:18 PM

As a recent job seeker I can tell you it's awful out there. I graduated last spring with a B.B.A. in Economics and trying to find a job was impossible. I was working multiple jobs to get through school and fortunately for me one of those turned into my current job. For someone with no "real" experience though, you can't find a job opening to save your life. It took me a good 10 solid months of applying for jobs to even get some interest. I was very lucky to land the job I did. Thankfully one of my crappy college jobs opened the door for me.

The moral of this story. I was one of those people not qualified who was applying for your job openings.

... I am frustrated with the huge qualifications expected and the low pay dished out.  ...



Coincidentally, employers are frustrated with the huge expectations and sense of entitlement and the lack of work ethic.

I'm not saying YOU possess any of those qualities, but with 9-10% unemployment, employers can afford to be picky.  And particularly in the IT field, more than any other, employers have been burned by over-promising, under-performing employees who think they are worth more than they are.

The key is picking the company - not the job that you're applying for.  Then just work hard and create results.  In good companies, those that produce get rewarded.

 

There is a ton of space in between both of your statements.Yours is also not a true statement always. When asked about my salary expectations I said "more than I make now" which was $12/hr. This is a full time salaried job that pays much more than that. I know for me, I just wanted into a company like I'm in where I can show what I'm really worth and I'll get paid for it eventually.

2011-07-23 8:53 AM
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Renee - 2011-07-21 8:32 PM

I'm in Tampa. I have clients in Tampa, Orlando, Sarasota, Atlanta, North Carolina.

Your username is one of the things we often bantered about back in the 90s.



It goes back to HS in the 90s, when I was young and dumb. We would bet on anything, cards, coin flips, football, stupid human tricks, whatever. When ever I got goaded into making the bet I would exclaim, "Well hell, it's only money."

The southeast is not for me, I'm a midwestern guy through and through. I hope you are able to find some qualified people to fill your positions.
2011-07-25 7:07 AM
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roch1009 - 2011-07-22 2:48 PM
bctri21 - 2011-07-22 2:13 PM
JoshR - 2011-07-21 9:18 PM

As a recent job seeker I can tell you it's awful out there. I graduated last spring with a B.B.A. in Economics and trying to find a job was impossible. I was working multiple jobs to get through school and fortunately for me one of those turned into my current job. For someone with no "real" experience though, you can't find a job opening to save your life. It took me a good 10 solid months of applying for jobs to even get some interest. I was very lucky to land the job I did. Thankfully one of my crappy college jobs opened the door for me.

The moral of this story. I was one of those people not qualified who was applying for your job openings.

... I am frustrated with the huge qualifications expected and the low pay dished out.  ...



Coincidentally, employers are frustrated with the huge expectations and sense of entitlement and the lack of work ethic.

I have received 3-4 resumes from recent grads with next to no experience asking for $50-60k starting salary for a mid grade engineering position.  If you had the 5-7 years experience I was asking for then we'd be talking.  But $50-60k fresh out of school?  They are in for a MAJOR wake up call.



2011-07-25 7:21 PM
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I replied to everyone who PM'd me. If I missed you, I apologize. Please give me a digital nudge by PM'ing me again.

2011-07-25 8:22 PM
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TriRSquared - 2011-07-25 6:07 AM
roch1009 - 2011-07-22 2:48 PM
bctri21 - 2011-07-22 2:13 PM
JoshR - 2011-07-21 9:18 PM

As a recent job seeker I can tell you it's awful out there. I graduated last spring with a B.B.A. in Economics and trying to find a job was impossible. I was working multiple jobs to get through school and fortunately for me one of those turned into my current job. For someone with no "real" experience though, you can't find a job opening to save your life. It took me a good 10 solid months of applying for jobs to even get some interest. I was very lucky to land the job I did. Thankfully one of my crappy college jobs opened the door for me.

The moral of this story. I was one of those people not qualified who was applying for your job openings.

... I am frustrated with the huge qualifications expected and the low pay dished out.  ...



Coincidentally, employers are frustrated with the huge expectations and sense of entitlement and the lack of work ethic.

I have received 3-4 resumes from recent grads with next to no experience asking for $50-60k starting salary for a mid grade engineering position.  If you had the 5-7 years experience I was asking for then we'd be talking.  But $50-60k fresh out of school?  They are in for a MAJOR wake up call.

 

I realize every state is different but that seems to be the going rate nationally.

From CNN

Certain engineering majors, however, saw significant jumps, with electrical engineering majors receiving an average salary offer of $61,690 -- up 4.4% from the previous year. Offers for mechanical engineers climbed 3.8% to $60,598.

Edit: I posted those two because if I recall correctly you build a robot blackjack dealer I think?



Edited by JoshR 2011-07-25 8:27 PM
2011-07-26 6:47 AM
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JoshR - 2011-07-25 9:22 PM
TriRSquared - 2011-07-25 6:07 AM
roch1009 - 2011-07-22 2:48 PM
bctri21 - 2011-07-22 2:13 PM
JoshR - 2011-07-21 9:18 PM

As a recent job seeker I can tell you it's awful out there. I graduated last spring with a B.B.A. in Economics and trying to find a job was impossible. I was working multiple jobs to get through school and fortunately for me one of those turned into my current job. For someone with no "real" experience though, you can't find a job opening to save your life. It took me a good 10 solid months of applying for jobs to even get some interest. I was very lucky to land the job I did. Thankfully one of my crappy college jobs opened the door for me.

The moral of this story. I was one of those people not qualified who was applying for your job openings.

... I am frustrated with the huge qualifications expected and the low pay dished out.  ...



Coincidentally, employers are frustrated with the huge expectations and sense of entitlement and the lack of work ethic.

I have received 3-4 resumes from recent grads with next to no experience asking for $50-60k starting salary for a mid grade engineering position.  If you had the 5-7 years experience I was asking for then we'd be talking.  But $50-60k fresh out of school?  They are in for a MAJOR wake up call.

 

I realize every state is different but that seems to be the going rate nationally.

From CNN

Certain engineering majors, however, saw significant jumps, with electrical engineering majors receiving an average salary offer of $61,690 -- up 4.4% from the previous year. Offers for mechanical engineers climbed 3.8% to $60,598.

Edit: I posted those two because if I recall correctly you build a robot blackjack dealer I think?

Is that a starting offer (entry level) or an offer with experience, or an average?  I'd be be really surprised if that's an entry level offer.

While we are working on a robotic poker machine, that's just for fun.  We build custom automation machinery and robotic workcells to pay the bills.


ETA: found the article

http://money.cnn.com/2011/02/10/pf/college_graduates_salaries/index.htm

Jesus... $60k fresh out of school?  Who the hell is paying that much?  Certainly not here in FL.  More power to them if they can get that much.  They won;t be living in FL however.  I know of many guys with 10-15 years experience (at other engineering companies) who are only making $70-90k.

 

 

 

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