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2005-02-11 4:37 PM

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Subject: Roller question
So...I just unearthed my rollers after a long hiatus...my last apartment had carpet and that makes it much harder to work on them (that's my story, and I'm stickin' to it!). Anyway, have hardwood floors here and just did a nice spin on the rollers. Wow, forgot how much 'fun' that was!

My question: I have always worn running sneakers on my roller rather than my bike cleats. Someone once told me it was dangerous to use the rollers clipped into your pedals. But my sneaker treads kept catching on the pedals and my feet never felt like they were in the right position. And every now and then my foot would come off the pedals entirely.

So...I'm taking a poll...does anyone have an opnion? Bike cleats or sneakers on your rollers????


2005-02-11 4:51 PM
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jldicarlo - 2005-02-11 3:37 PM So...I just unearthed my rollers after a long hiatus...my last apartment had carpet and that makes it much harder to work on them (that's my story, and I'm stickin' to it!). Anyway, have hardwood floors here and just did a nice spin on the rollers. Wow, forgot how much 'fun' that was! My question: I have always worn running sneakers on my roller rather than my bike cleats. Someone once told me it was dangerous to use the rollers clipped into your pedals. But my sneaker treads kept catching on the pedals and my feet never felt like they were in the right position. And every now and then my foot would come off the pedals entirely. So...I'm taking a poll...does anyone have an opnion? Bike cleats or sneakers on your rollers????

I use the same setup I ride outside with.  Bike shoes with speedplays....but I NEVER use my rollers anywhere besides the doorway.  I don't trust myself enough yet....

2005-02-11 5:01 PM
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Forgive me for my ignorance. What is a roller?
2005-02-11 5:07 PM
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You put your bike on them and pedal, balancing your bike on the rollers as you pedal.  The faster you go the easier it is to keep balanced...but the more dangerous it is if you fly off your rollers....OUCH! 

http://www.branfordbike.com/trainer/big/tr2biga.html

http://www.ehow.com/how_14201_ride-rollers-cycling.html

2005-02-11 5:26 PM
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I'm with Steve, I've never used anything besides my clipless pedals and shoes on the rollers, even when I started. But, like steve, I've never moved out of the doorway (w/vinyl floors).

If I didn't have a convenient doorway, not sure what I would do.
2005-02-11 5:28 PM
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JGFTri - 2005-02-11 4:26 PM If I didn't have a convenient doorway, not sure what I would do.

I know what I'd do.

Break my @ss!



2005-02-11 6:06 PM
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Actually, when I first thought about getting rollers, I had this idea in my head of first, riding with my rock climbing harness on. I would then stick a big eye bolt or something into the ceiling and then attach a rope to it and my harness. That way, I couldn't fall
2005-02-12 6:29 AM
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I recently started using my rollers after about a 15 year hiatus. I have always clipped in on the rollers. I just can't stand wearing regular shoes and I would be worried that a foot coming off would cause me to fall. Luckily I've only had one mishap on the rollers a long time ago.
2005-02-12 5:41 PM
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Okay, I presently have a Cycleops Fluid trainer.  I hate it.  Its boring.  I'm thinking the rollers would be a lot more fun since you need to concentrate on keeping your balance and can move back and forth a little bit on the rollers.  It would be much more like really riding.

What do you folks think, should I get some rollers?

2005-02-12 6:10 PM
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I have both a stationary and rollers. I always clip in to both as I cannot practice a complete leg spin and get a good workout imho if I was in sneakers.

So far most of my inside rides have been on the stationary setup. I just mounted a homemade stand to the handlebars so I could read a book/mag on longer rides. It is also in front of a small TV so now I have no excuses to lounge on the couch.

IT does take A LOT of added concentration to stay on the rollers and I only do shorter rides on them for now. I worked them next to a sturdy desk to help keep my balance at first. Now I use them in the garage so if I come off I have some room to crash. And when your moving you can come off pretty fast. I once slammed into a desk in front of me and thus why now I am in the garage. Besides the first few practice rides I could not imagine trying to roll smoothly without clips.

Even on my Mt Bike I clip in. Some of the guys I ride with think that is way dangerous as they fell too many times trying them and gave up. I can control my bike fairly well on rocky terrain knowing my feet are planted and it is great passing the cleatless on the hills.

And nothing beats the embarrassment at the stop light when you forgot to unclip in time. Yikes!

I am for clips all the time. Good luck, Lee
2005-02-12 8:04 PM
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Motivated - 2005-02-12 5:41 PM

Okay, I presently have a Cycleops Fluid trainer.  I hate it.  Its boring.  I'm thinking the rollers would be a lot more fun since you need to concentrate on keeping your balance and can move back and forth a little bit on the rollers.  It would be much more like really riding.

What do you folks think, should I get some rollers?



I think at first the rollers are a lot more fun than the trainer. You obviously have to concentrate more (anything is more than zero, ha ha). But, as you get better, you have to pay less attention, which is good because that means your balance and pedal stroke is improving. The downside is that it approaches the trainer in terms of boredom. Don't get me wrong, the rollers are fun. But it is an incremental decrease in boredom from trainer to rollers compared to trainer to road. Spending a long time on either is going to be boring as hell. Oh, and it is a lot tougher to watch TV while riding rollers, so from that standpoint it might be more boring.

Edited by JGFTri 2005-02-12 8:05 PM


2005-02-12 8:28 PM
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I agree with everything JGF Tri just said. The rollers can be so boring I am actually hoping that I roll off and into the wall going 30 mph. Once you get good enough on them you can watch tv or listen to music but they really aren't much "fun." The most I can stand is about 2 hours.
2005-02-13 9:38 PM
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I got the rollers specifically because I thought it would be better for working on pedaling and such. It is much harder to balance the bike yourself rather than have it cinched in. But as I recall, you can buy things that will hold your bike still even on rollers...might be a good compromise so you could do both....

I need a doorway that I can watch TV from...right now my doorway is convenient to listen to the stereo, but not much else. And no way am I leaving the doorway :-D I have moved up to a 5 foot wide doorway...but I can reach both walls at any given time!

2005-02-14 8:36 AM
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I also started using the rollers in a doorway so that I would have something to grab onto on either side. I always used the clipless pedals on the rollers.

2005-02-14 8:51 AM
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As a cyclist turned triathlete - you should ride your rollers as you would ride your bike in a race.

Rollers are very good for developing technique and eliminating the "dead spot" in your pedal stroke. They are not so great for muscular workouts as you can't match the resistance of the trainer with a set of rollers. It's really best to utilize both in the off-season.

The first year I rode rollers, I would not move out of the doorway as well. Now, I ride for hours on the rollers, drink from my water bottle (i.e., ride with one hand, easily) and even get in the aero position for long stretches. It takes time to take the clunks out of your "spin" - but that's what the rollers will do for you!

Now if I could only swim as smoothly ;-)
2005-02-14 10:28 AM
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jvinciqu - 2005-02-14 7:51 AM Now, I ride for hours on the rollers, drink from my water bottle (i.e., ride with one hand, easily) and even get in the aero position for long stretches.

Yeah, but the real question is.....can you do wheelies on your rollers?



2005-02-14 12:31 PM
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They sell resistance units for rollers too.

Gosh, with that thing on there it's like riding uphill the whole time! In fact, it provides so much resistance that I usually have to stay in my granny gears for an easy workout and only jump up to my middle ring for hard stuff...

Yes, I am a terrible biker...
2005-02-14 12:37 PM
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Yes, I am a terrible biker...

There's a cure for that, y'know....

2005-02-14 12:55 PM
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the bear - 2005-02-14 12:37 PM

Yes, I am a terrible biker...

There's a cure for that, y'know....

I hesitate to ask, because I fear I know the answer...

What's the cure?

2005-02-14 1:00 PM
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jldicarlo - 2005-02-14 12:31 PM

They sell resistance units for rollers too.

Gosh, with that thing on there it's like riding uphill the whole time! In fact, it provides so much resistance that I usually have to stay in my granny gears for an easy workout and only jump up to my middle ring for hard stuff...

Yes, I am a terrible biker...


*Middle* ring?!?!? ;-)
2005-02-14 2:32 PM
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Q1:  Shoes or cleats(Jen)?  A:  Cleats.  Don't know how you'd keep your pedal stroke round in shoes.  I stay clipped into my Speedplays and it works fine.

Q2:  To get rollers or not (Karl)?  A:  Go for it!  I got them as remedial 'homework' before the local bike club would let me ride in the A-class.  I could keep up with em, I just couldn't ride a straight line so they were scared of being with me in a pack!  Seriously, it helps round your pedal stroke, ride a straight line, and keeps you concentrating (for obvious reasons).

Two considerations:  1) the smaller the diameter of the roller, the more resistance you'll get without additional resistance tools.  A 2" roller will be a lot harder to ride than a 4" roller.  And the 2" roller will, due to the increased resistance / deflection, chew through tires at an amazing rate.  2) I've seen parabolic rollers but haven't seen reviews on em (they're thicker at the outside edges and thinner in the middle, helps correct any steering bobbles.

Q3:  How do you get a good resistance workout with rollers?  A:  three ways.  1) Get the smallest diameter rollers you can, 2) Ride an hour with pure rollers (minimal resistance, working on technique), then take off the front wheel and use a forkstand and just spin the rear wheel for the next couple of hours - in the highest gear.   I find that as soon as I start to fatigue and get out of round, the chances of riding through my living room go WAAY up..., and 3) most rollers sell a resistance unit (fan) that you can hook up to the rollers, which will add more resistance than you'd ever want - and blow air on you, a great thing when you're sweating in the living room.

I ride the Kreitler Dyno-Mite rollers 2" with a forkstand, and will pick up the Killer Cool Headwind fan next off-season ($130).  All told the package will set me back about $400 - may be cheaper now cause of the market's renewed interest in rollers....



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2005-02-14 2:42 PM
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fraggle - 2005-02-14 11:55 AM
the bear - 2005-02-14 12:37 PM

Yes, I am a terrible biker...

There's a cure for that, y'know....

I hesitate to ask, because I fear I know the answer...

What's the cure?

Very simple cure, been around for over a century, most succinctly put by Belgian cycling great Eddy Merckx:

Ride Lots!

2005-02-14 5:15 PM
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As I suspected, the lure of the easy cure dashed by cold, hard facts.
2005-02-14 5:19 PM
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Actually those are warm, fuzzy facts, but then I like to ride.;-)
2005-02-14 5:20 PM
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At the risk of hijacking this thread, I gotta ask:

Thinking of physics, when you are on the rollers and you fall off or steer off, or whatever...

My impression is that you will not go ripping off down the carpet or into the television.  After all, you are 50 kilos or more of NON-moving mass (sitting still on rollers) so even if the wheels hit the carpet, linoleum, or concrete, they'll likely screech and convert whatever rotational energy exists into heat long before any forward motion could be generated.  (This assumes that pedalling stops at this point.)

Now, let me admit that I don't have rollers, but thinking about this from a purely theoretical standpoint, I just can't jibe the physics with the idea of someone ripping off down the living room carpet from a motionless position.

Opinions?



Edited by fraggle 2005-02-14 5:21 PM
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