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2008-10-03 9:02 AM

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Always plenty of blame to go around but here's some interesting reading:

Democrats Caused the Financial Meltdown - By Alan Caruba

There is something genuinely sickening about seeing Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA), House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), and others trying to stick President Bush and the Republicans with the blame for the financial meltdown that has put the American taxpayer in hock for the problem they created.

One need only read The New York Times, September 30, 1999 article by Steven A. Holmes, headlined "Fannie Mae Eases Credit to Aid Mortgage Lending." Only it didn't aid anything. Instead, it abandoned rational, prudent, established guidelines for lending; not the least of which is that you don't make loans to people who are unlikely to repay them.

"In a move that could help increase home ownership rates among minorities and low-income consumers, the Fannie Mae Corporation is easing the credit requirements on loans that it will purchase from banks and other lenders."

Holmes reported that, "Fannie Mae, the nation's biggest underwriter of home mortgages, has been under increasing pressure from the Clinton Administration to expand mortgage loans among law and moderate income people and felt pressure from pressure from stock holders to maintain its phenomenal growth in profits."

The man in charge of Fannie Mae in 1999 was Franklin D. Raines, a name that has come up in connection with Sen. Barack Obama as an "advisor" on housing issues." Another former Fannie Mae CEO, Jim Johnson, led Obama's vice president search team.

In 2008, after a civil suit revealed that Raines had "manipulated earnings over a six-year period" with two others to enrich themselves. Raines agreed to pay $24.7 million, including a $2 million fine. In addition, he also gave up company stock options valued at $15.6 million. Between 1998 and 2004, according to a New York Times article, Raines and two others pocketed "hundreds of millions in bonuses."

This makes the political campaign funding Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac gave Sen. Obama even more shocking given the fact that he reaped more than any other politician, $42,116 for every year he was in the Senate. It is worth asking why Sen. Obama received roughly four times more money than any other politician during the four years he was in the Senate.

Sen. Obama's close ties to both Raines and Johnson are being largely ignored by the mainstream media as efforts are being made to make it appear that this is a Bush Administration scandal. It isn't.

In 1999, Peter Wallison, a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, predicted that, "If they (Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac) fail, the government will have to step up and bail them out the way it stepped up and bailed out the thrift industry." If you believe the media, however, you would think this was the fault of the banking and investment communities, but both were responding to significant changes in loan arrangements introduced during the Clinton Administration.

As the 1999 New York Times article noted, "By expanding the type of loans that it will buy, Fannie Mae is hoping to spur banks to make more loans to people with less-than-stellar credit ratings."

This was clearly a political ploy to secure the votes of Blacks and Hispanics by deliberately lowering loan requirements. Banks and mortgage loan companies were required to show that they had made these bad loans, thus undermining the stability of the entire financial network.

Why Sen. John McCain is not shouting this from the rooftops is another one of those campaign mysteries, but it is undeniable and is just one more reason why neither Sen. Obama, nor his fellow Democrats should be allowed to retain control of Congress and, potentially, gain control of the White House.

This bailout is necessary to restore confidence in the nation's banking and investment communities, but it started well before the Bush Administration and is grounds by itself to remove all those associated with it from public office. That can be done in part on Election Day.
 



2008-10-03 9:04 AM
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I'm going to have to blame it on the rain. Yeah, yeah.

Or maybe on the stars that shine above.




2008-10-03 9:26 AM
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A conservtive flack blames Democrats.  Wow.  How surprising.  

He also claims Global Warming (his words) is a hoax:

"The United Nations International Panel on Climate Change whose reports have been based, not on hard science such as observations of solar activity, but on flawed, often deliberately false computer models, has been the driving factor behind the global warming hoax. What better way to assert political and economic control over the Earth than to create a global crisis?"

That the UN poses a threat to the US (see above, the UN is using Global Warming as part of their insidious world domination compaign!!!!!):

http://www.anxietycenter.com/un-vs-us.htm

And you can buy his pocket guide to Militant Islam for only $7.95.

2008-10-03 9:36 AM
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coredump - 2008-10-03 7:26 AM

And you can buy his pocket guide to Militant Islam for only $7.95.



I hear they make great stocking stuffers!
2008-10-03 9:58 AM
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First, it's the NY Times that reported "Fannie Mae was under increasing pressure from the Clinton Administration to expand mortgage loans..."  You know the NY Times.  That media outlet who is as friendly to Conservatives as Bill Clinton is to Ken Starr on impeachment day.

Second, Dismiss the article as conservative flack but how do you explain the connection between Fannie/Freddie to Obama in the midst of Raines and Jim Johnson being a huge part of his campaign?

2008-10-03 10:16 AM
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wildee - 2008-10-03 9:58 AM

First, it's the NY Times that reported "Fannie Mae was under increasing pressure from the Clinton Administration to expand mortgage loans..."  You know the NY Times.  That media outlet who is as friendly to Conservatives as Bill Clinton is to Ken Starr on impeachment day.

Second, Dismiss the article as conservative flack but how do you explain the connection between Fannie/Freddie to Obama in the midst of Raines and Jim Johnson being a huge part of his campaign?

 

It will be brushed under the rug for NObama.  Both Freddie and Fannie were money buckets for the Pols, mostly dems, and will end up costing the US taxpayer - Top 50% wage earners mind you - almost a trillion dollars. Couple that if the no-experience a$$clown is elected, we get another $800 billion in new spending (read: giveaways) and no increase in revenue. That makes Bush look darn near intelligent, and that is a difficult task at best.

 



2008-10-03 10:18 AM
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The Clinton Administration and Dems politicians mainly (and some Republicans) certainly are part of the cause in particular when it comes to FN and FM fiasco. But to be fair other players/reasons are part of this mess such as the Fed, home owners, Wall street, Greenspan, Bush Administration (for not pushing more forcefully for a solution), etc. a good explanation can be found here.

But even for Obama supporters, it would be naive (at best) to believe their premise that this mess is solely fault of the current administration. That is just deceiving and just a plain lie as a mean to divert attention from them. IMO US citizens should take their partisan jackets off and really look into what really caused this mess, what can be done to fix it (or at least diminish the hit), how much it is really going to cost and be concerned how the current candidate options are going to deal with it because per economists a recession is imminent (or we are already in one depending who you ask), how this will affect their tax/spending and other proposals and how the current bill can extend this recession.

IMO American should also think twice if they really want the same party to have control for both: the executive and legislative branches given the current financial market and mess and economic recession (depression)

2008-10-03 10:19 AM
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wildee - 2008-10-03 10:58 AM

First, it's the NY Times that reported "Fannie Mae was under increasing pressure from the Clinton Administration to expand mortgage loans..."  You know the NY Times.  That media outlet who is as friendly to Conservatives as Bill Clinton is to Ken Starr on impeachment day.

Second, Dismiss the article as conservative flack but how do you explain the connection between Fannie/Freddie to Obama in the midst of Raines and Jim Johnson being a huge part of his campaign?



both raines and the obama campaign have said that he has never been an advisor to the campaign. the campaign made some calls to raines back in april maybe. and that's it.
johnson was heading up obama's VP search committee initially, but then they got rid of him b/c of his ties with F/F.

"huge part of his campaign"? hardly. just b/c you say it doesn't make it so.

if you want to talk about connections with fannie/freddie, look at mccain's campaign chairman, rick davis, who collected a couple million running a lobbyist operation set up by F/F to work toward further deregulation. and rick davis' lobbying firm was collecting $15K/month from freddy mac as recently as august.
2008-10-03 10:33 AM
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IMO American should also think twice if they really want the same party to have control for both: the executive and legislative branches given the current financial market and mess and economic recession (depression)

Yes, partinsanship aside, that's an excellent point.

2008-10-03 10:51 AM
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jimbo - 2008-10-03 8:19 AM

wildee - 2008-10-03 10:58 AM

First, it's the NY Times that reported "Fannie Mae was under increasing pressure from the Clinton Administration to expand mortgage loans..."  You know the NY Times.  That media outlet who is as friendly to Conservatives as Bill Clinton is to Ken Starr on impeachment day.

Second, Dismiss the article as conservative flack but how do you explain the connection between Fannie/Freddie to Obama in the midst of Raines and Jim Johnson being a huge part of his campaign?



both raines and the obama campaign have said that he has never been an advisor to the campaign. the campaign made some calls to raines back in april maybe. and that's it.
johnson was heading up obama's VP search committee initially, but then they got rid of him b/c of his ties with F/F.

"huge part of his campaign"? hardly. just b/c you say it doesn't make it so.

if you want to talk about connections with fannie/freddie, look at mccain's campaign chairman, rick davis, who collected a couple million running a lobbyist operation set up by F/F to work toward further deregulation. and rick davis' lobbying firm was collecting $15K/month from freddy mac as recently as august.


Also: McCain's Senate chief of staff, Mark Buse, was a Freddie Mac lobbyist in 2003 and 2004.
2008-10-03 10:57 AM
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Another ridiculous partisan finger-pointing thread. This is why people hate election time.

You know who I blame? The idiots who bought a $300,000 house on $38,000 combined income and then couldn't pay.


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