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2008-10-29 3:22 PM
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Scout7 - 2008-10-29 4:12 PM

D.Z. - 2008-10-29 4:06 PM   Socialism is when government controls major industry.

Not quite true.

Socialism is when there is either state or collective ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods, and the creation of an egalitarian society in which wealth and power are distributed more evenly.



I think we are both right. My definition falls on the Capitalist side, yours falls on the communism side.



2008-10-29 3:24 PM
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I didn't tip the Barista today.  He was slow and not listening to my request.   "16 ounce Black Drip",      Oh do you want room for sugar and cream?        (Now why do I  want to ruin good black as gold coffee?)  Ok enough of that rant.

Weatlhy people do toss money around for others .  The Bill and Melinda Gates foundation is an endowment of close to 39 Billion dollars for people that need help.

 

2008-10-29 3:24 PM
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Well for some reason facts scare off people.

If you are interested in the redistribution that BO truly stands for go to YouTube and search for Obama & WBEZ.

He whole heartedly (sic) wants to redistribute money all over the place.

You may think it is great when it is for those over $250,000 but when he comes knocking on your door for making $75,000 you won't be so happy.

It's a slipperly slope indeed.

2008-10-29 3:27 PM
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2008-10-29 3:27 PM
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Wolff27 - 2008-10-29 4:24 PM

Well for some reason facts scare off people.

If you are interested in the redistribution that BO truly stands for go to YouTube and search for Obama & WBEZ.

He whole heartedly (sic) wants to redistribute money all over the place.

You may think it is great when it is for those over $250,000 but when he comes knocking on your door for making $75,000 you won't be so happy.

It's a slipperly slope indeed.



Are you McCains payroll or what? You're unbelievable. Can this stop please? Every other post of yours has something negative to say about Obama. Leave it alone already. We're having a lively discussion of how wealth moves around in a country and you go here. Again. Please, your act is old.
2008-10-29 3:31 PM
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D.Z. - 2008-10-29 3:27 PM

Wolff27 - 2008-10-29 4:24 PM

Well for some reason facts scare off people.

If you are interested in the redistribution that BO truly stands for go to YouTube and search for Obama & WBEZ.

He whole heartedly (sic) wants to redistribute money all over the place.

You may think it is great when it is for those over $250,000 but when he comes knocking on your door for making $75,000 you won't be so happy.

It's a slipperly slope indeed.



Are you McCains payroll or what? You're unbelievable. Can this stop please? Every other post of yours has something negative to say about Obama. Leave it alone already. We're having a lively discussion of how wealth moves around in a country and you go here. Again. Please, your act is old.


You don't think that someone wanting to move wealth around this county us about how wealth moves around this country? I am confused.

Question for you - if someone has 4x the amount of money someone else does and they and they are the only two people working on this project - should the one with more money give to the other guy?


2008-10-29 3:33 PM
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Wolff27 - 2008-10-29 4:31 PM

D.Z. - 2008-10-29 3:27 PM

Wolff27 - 2008-10-29 4:24 PM

Well for some reason facts scare off people.

If you are interested in the redistribution that BO truly stands for go to YouTube and search for Obama & WBEZ.

He whole heartedly (sic) wants to redistribute money all over the place.

You may think it is great when it is for those over $250,000 but when he comes knocking on your door for making $75,000 you won't be so happy.

It's a slipperly slope indeed.



Are you McCains payroll or what? You're unbelievable. Can this stop please? Every other post of yours has something negative to say about Obama. Leave it alone already. We're having a lively discussion of how wealth moves around in a country and you go here. Again. Please, your act is old.


You don't think that someone wanting to move wealth around this county us about how wealth moves around this country? I am confused.

Question for you - if someone has 4x the amount of money someone else does and they and they are the only two people working on this project - should the one with more money give to the other guy?


You're question is incoherent.


2008-10-29 3:34 PM
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Wolff27 - 2008-10-29 4:31 PM
D.Z. - 2008-10-29 3:27 PM
Wolff27 - 2008-10-29 4:24 PM Well for some reason facts scare off people. If you are interested in the redistribution that BO truly stands for go to YouTube and search for Obama & WBEZ. He whole heartedly (sic) wants to redistribute money all over the place. You may think it is great when it is for those over $250,000 but when he comes knocking on your door for making $75,000 you won't be so happy. It's a slipperly slope indeed.
Are you McCains payroll or what? You're unbelievable. Can this stop please? Every other post of yours has something negative to say about Obama. Leave it alone already. We're having a lively discussion of how wealth moves around in a country and you go here. Again. Please, your act is old.
You don't think that someone wanting to move wealth around this county us about how wealth moves around this country? I am confused. Question for you - if someone has 4x the amount of money someone else does and they and they are the only two people working on this project - should the one with more money give to the other guy?

The point was that your point could very easily be made without even mentioning a Presidential candidate.  Additionally, the mentioning of said candidates does nothing for the actual discussion.

2008-10-29 3:34 PM
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chirunner134 - 2008-10-29 3:19 PM
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I am not saying everyone should make the same amount of money.  My point is the more the rich vs the poor seperate the more the economy will go down the drain because people on the top do not have the critical mass to drive the ecomony.  I do think people should make the same regardless of there work but people on the top do not always realize when you let someone go that is less money that comes back to your company.

Hmmm - Should for example Bill Gates make the same amount as a programmer for MS who has been there for 5 years?? People make money based on the MONEY they make for a firm. That is why a Lawyer makes more than the paralegal, the Cheif Building Engineer more than the janitor. Communism has been a great success hasn't it?? In GENERAL, people who are paid more deserve it. In the Socialist view every football player should make the EXACT same amount of money because they are all just playnign football correct?

 No but its fine line.  If a football owner has only 100 mil to spend on his team does he pay 99 mil on one guy and 1 mill on the rest of the 54 players? Nope a superstar can not make the team.  Yes your QB will get paid alot but without a line to protect him or receivers to throw to the QB is nothing. 

This assuming the owner will even pay 100 mil because if he can only pay 75 mil he makes 25 mil more.  

you are not distributing things equally though.  why wouldnt the qb want to be the punter if he is making the same scratch?  less stress, less wear and tear.
2008-10-29 3:39 PM
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I don't make a lot of money. 

But I sure don't want my money to be re-distributed to someone else. 

2008-10-29 3:42 PM
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TeddieMao - 2008-10-29 1:52 PM Why is that people who are wealthy are assumed to have worked hard for what they while those who are poor have not?

 

Because only 33% of wealthy people get their money from inheritence...

http://www.earlytorise.com/2008/05/12/wealth-and-wealthy-people.html

OK so the majority of wealthy are not born into it but how many of the poor are born into there situation.   I guess I just find it hard to believe that some people believe the poor do not work hard.   Teachers and social workers are not exactly paid huge sums of money but we could assume that they work hard, right?

I think you have to quanitify what poor is.. I know some teachers making 50K a year... 50K is pretty good income. I am sure some people on here would like to make that much.
Yes some people believe that SOME of the poor do not work hard and some of the poor do not.

My question to you is this... Why do you feel the people who have worked their azz off and have made some money for themselves and to pass down to their kids, why do you feel they should have to part with it and give it to the people who have not worked as hard?

I don't think anyone should have to part with their money, rich or poor.    I just feel that being rich or poor is not indication of your work ethic but various socioeconomic matters.   I would love to be rich but not if it meant I would feel that those that have less myself are just plain lazy.   I am not a big fan of "distributing the wealth" or a big tax increase for those with large incomes but rather some sort of society (call it "Utopia) where there is fairness in income.



2008-10-29 3:49 PM
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bradword - 2008-10-29 1:45 PM You can rip on anyone you want. You just might want to be accurate. Because I know Japan, China, Australia etc etc don't have the rich and famous, only America after all :P

I am sure they do Bradword but we are not talking about the gap in wealth in China are we???? Well that would be do to socialism...
we are not talking about the gap in wealth in Japan are we?

I have not heard of any reports of Austalians or Japanese who bi**c and moan because their neighbor has more and makes more they they do; like americans do.

We are one whiney country.... He makes more, he is smarter than I am, his family left him more money than mine did, he is faster, he can swim longer... blah blah blah...

No wonder everyone hates us, we are that whiney azz little kid on the playground who compains to the teacher when someone does something we dont like.

We ARE Bi**HES....

The growing culture of liberalism that needs to have everyone get the same thing is what has made people whiny. That is the reason every kids gets a trophy, the reason kids don't get letter grades till 4th grade, etc. etc. It won't get better if BO wins.

 THis is kind of off the subject but you know what I hate?  Kindergarten graduations or middle school graduations!!!  What are kidding me, you having a celebration for successfully completing the easiest time you will ever have in an academic setting.   My son's babysitter had a 8th graduation party over the summer.  She raked in thousands of $$$, a laptop, and a bunch of other crap, plus my wife even got her something.  For getting through 8th graduation.   It is the greatest example of rewarding mediocrity.  But I digress.

2008-10-29 3:49 PM
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TeddieMao - 2008-10-29 3:42 PM

trigods - 2008-10-29 2:10 PM
TeddieMao - 2008-10-29 1:59 PM
trigods - 2008-10-29 1:55 PM

TeddieMao - 2008-10-29 1:52 PM Why is that people who are wealthy are assumed to have worked hard for what they while those who are poor have not?

 

Because only 33% of wealthy people get their money from inheritence...

http://www.earlytorise.com/2008/05/12/wealth-and-wealthy-people.html

OK so the majority of wealthy are not born into it but how many of the poor are born into there situation.   I guess I just find it hard to believe that some people believe the poor do not work hard.   Teachers and social workers are not exactly paid huge sums of money but we could assume that they work hard, right?

I think you have to quanitify what poor is.. I know some teachers making 50K a year... 50K is pretty good income. I am sure some people on here would like to make that much.
Yes some people believe that SOME of the poor do not work hard and some of the poor do not.

My question to you is this... Why do you feel the people who have worked their azz off and have made some money for themselves and to pass down to their kids, why do you feel they should have to part with it and give it to the people who have not worked as hard?

I don't think anyone should have to part with their money, rich or poor.    I just feel that being rich or poor is not indication of your work ethic but various socioeconomic matters.   I would love to be rich but not if it meant I would feel that those that have less myself are just plain lazy.   I am not a big fan of "distributing the wealth" or a big tax increase for those with large incomes but rather some sort of society (call it "Utopia) where there is fairness in income.



I think that everyone would love for an entire society to have no poor people - It never had existed and probably never will.

America gives everyone a chance to succeed - better than any other country in the world!

The majority of the poor are not lazy but work their butts off to support their families. I think most of us on this board have immigrants in our heritage who worked in bad jobs to give their children a better chance. The welfare state makes people have a lazy work ethic not being poor in itself.



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2008-10-29 3:55 PM
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jszat - 2008-10-29 3:34 PM you are not distributing things equally though.  why wouldnt the qb want to be the punter if he is making the same scratch?  less stress, less wear and tear.

I never said things should be about distributing things equally.  Equal distribution does not work, but neither does paying your top employees way more than your bottom.  If people had money to pay for medical insurance they would not need social assistance.   

Then again people in high school want be QB even though they will not even come close to being QB in college.

2008-10-29 3:56 PM
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TeddieMao - 2008-10-29 4:49 PM

 THis is kind of off the subject but you know what I hate?  Kindergarten graduations or middle school graduations!!!  What are kidding me, you having a celebration for successfully completing the easiest time you will ever have in an academic setting.   My son's babysitter had a 8th graduation party over the summer.  She raked in thousands of $$$, a laptop, and a bunch of other crap, plus my wife even got her something.  For getting through 8th graduation.   It is the greatest example of rewarding mediocrity.  But I digress.

 

Dude, have some consideration for others. Kindergarten was the toughest 3 years of my life.

2008-10-29 4:01 PM
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mrbbrad - 2008-10-29 3:56 PM
TeddieMao - 2008-10-29 4:49 PM

 THis is kind of off the subject but you know what I hate?  Kindergarten graduations or middle school graduations!!!  What are kidding me, you having a celebration for successfully completing the easiest time you will ever have in an academic setting.   My son's babysitter had a 8th graduation party over the summer.  She raked in thousands of $$$, a laptop, and a bunch of other crap, plus my wife even got her something.  For getting through 8th graduation.   It is the greatest example of rewarding mediocrity.  But I digress.

Yeah well I'm still paying off my preschool student loans!!

 

Dude, have some consideration for others. Kindergarten was the toughest 3 years of my life.



2008-10-29 4:12 PM
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TeddieMao - 2008-10-29 3:49 PM
Wolff27 - 2008-10-29 2:32 PM
trigods - 2008-10-29 1:51 PM

bradword - 2008-10-29 1:45 PM You can rip on anyone you want. You just might want to be accurate. Because I know Japan, China, Australia etc etc don't have the rich and famous, only America after all :P

I am sure they do Bradword but we are not talking about the gap in wealth in China are we???? Well that would be do to socialism...
we are not talking about the gap in wealth in Japan are we?

I have not heard of any reports of Austalians or Japanese who bi**c and moan because their neighbor has more and makes more they they do; like americans do.

We are one whiney country.... He makes more, he is smarter than I am, his family left him more money than mine did, he is faster, he can swim longer... blah blah blah...

No wonder everyone hates us, we are that whiney azz little kid on the playground who compains to the teacher when someone does something we dont like.

We ARE Bi**HES....

The growing culture of liberalism that needs to have everyone get the same thing is what has made people whiny. That is the reason every kids gets a trophy, the reason kids don't get letter grades till 4th grade, etc. etc. It won't get better if BO wins.

 THis is kind of off the subject but you know what I hate?  Kindergarten graduations or middle school graduations!!!  What are kidding me, you having a celebration for successfully completing the easiest time you will ever have in an academic setting.   My son's babysitter had a 8th graduation party over the summer.  She raked in thousands of $$$, a laptop, and a bunch of other crap, plus my wife even got her something.  For getting through 8th graduation.   It is the greatest example of rewarding mediocrity.  But I digress.

Eh, I got a dictionary from my mom. Webster's Seventh New Collegiate Dictionary, 1969 edition. Still use it today. Bet she's not using that laptop in 40 years.

2008-10-29 11:41 PM
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ColdRingo6 - 2008-10-29 1:36 PM

It might.  There are plenty of historical examples of the "have-nots" taking matters into their own hands and forcibly redistributing the wealth of the "haves".  I'd like to think we've matured as a society to the point where we find better solutions than revolution or other violent forms of social unrest, but I think people are capable of some pretty insane things if pushed far enough.


Hurry, we better redistribute all the wealth because someone might come along and want to take it by force. So now we should do it through threats of violence. I don't think so.
If everyone want's everyone to have the same money that looks good on paper, but why should i even start and build the widget company and have all the employees working for me and take out the loans and the risk and get the insurance when in the end i will make no more than any of my employees. So with noone to take these risks for the big paychecks or the big losses depending on how it goes buisness creation stops and our capitalistic economic machine stops. No new buisnesses no new jobs no new monies for you all to tax away from us.




2008-10-30 1:12 AM
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MGray - 2008-10-29 11:41 PM

ColdRingo6 - 2008-10-29 1:36 PM

It might.  There are plenty of historical examples of the "have-nots" taking matters into their own hands and forcibly redistributing the wealth of the "haves".  I'd like to think we've matured as a society to the point where we find better solutions than revolution or other violent forms of social unrest, but I think people are capable of some pretty insane things if pushed far enough.


Hurry, we better redistribute all the wealth because someone might come along and want to take it by force. So now we should do it through threats of violence. I don't think so.
If everyone want's everyone to have the same money that looks good on paper, but why should i even start and build the widget company and have all the employees working for me and take out the loans and the risk and get the insurance when in the end i will make no more than any of my employees. So with noone to take these risks for the big paychecks or the big losses depending on how it goes buisness creation stops and our capitalistic economic machine stops. No new buisnesses no new jobs no new monies for you all to tax away from us.


Though I in essence agree with what you are saying, I think your analogy is not very sound. If everyone got paid the same no matter what, then there would be no risk to starting a new business. So with your logic more people would start their own businesses.

I would say, however, that few would go through all the additional work to start a business when they are only going to make as much as one of their employees who works half as hard.

Seriously though, everyone seems to be arguing against everyone getting paid the same thing, but I don't really think that is what anyone is advocating. Not even Obama...
2008-10-30 10:54 PM
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pengy - 2008-10-30 1:12 AM

MGray - 2008-10-29 11:41 PM

ColdRingo6 - 2008-10-29 1:36 PM

It might.  There are plenty of historical examples of the "have-nots" taking matters into their own hands and forcibly redistributing the wealth of the "haves".  I'd like to think we've matured as a society to the point where we find better solutions than revolution or other violent forms of social unrest, but I think people are capable of some pretty insane things if pushed far enough.


Hurry, we better redistribute all the wealth because someone might come along and want to take it by force. So now we should do it through threats of violence. I don't think so.
If everyone want's everyone to have the same money that looks good on paper, but why should i even start and build the widget company and have all the employees working for me and take out the loans and the risk and get the insurance when in the end i will make no more than any of my employees. So with noone to take these risks for the big paychecks or the big losses depending on how it goes buisness creation stops and our capitalistic economic machine stops. No new buisnesses no new jobs no new monies for you all to tax away from us.


Though I in essence agree with what you are saying, I think your analogy is not very sound. If everyone got paid the same no matter what, then there would be no risk to starting a new business. So with your logic more people would start their own businesses.

I would say, however, that few would go through all the additional work to start a business when they are only going to make as much as one of their employees who works half as hard.

Seriously though, everyone seems to be arguing against everyone getting paid the same thing, but I don't really think that is what anyone is advocating. Not even Obama...




No i agree obama is not arguing for everyone to make the same but several people on this topic are wondering why some people make large salaries and some make little.
2008-10-31 7:16 AM
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MGray - 2008-10-30 11:54 PM

pengy - 2008-10-30 1:12 AM

MGray - 2008-10-29 11:41 PM

ColdRingo6 - 2008-10-29 1:36 PM

It might.  There are plenty of historical examples of the "have-nots" taking matters into their own hands and forcibly redistributing the wealth of the "haves".  I'd like to think we've matured as a society to the point where we find better solutions than revolution or other violent forms of social unrest, but I think people are capable of some pretty insane things if pushed far enough.


Hurry, we better redistribute all the wealth because someone might come along and want to take it by force. So now we should do it through threats of violence. I don't think so.
If everyone want's everyone to have the same money that looks good on paper, but why should i even start and build the widget company and have all the employees working for me and take out the loans and the risk and get the insurance when in the end i will make no more than any of my employees. So with noone to take these risks for the big paychecks or the big losses depending on how it goes buisness creation stops and our capitalistic economic machine stops. No new buisnesses no new jobs no new monies for you all to tax away from us.


Though I in essence agree with what you are saying, I think your analogy is not very sound. If everyone got paid the same no matter what, then there would be no risk to starting a new business. So with your logic more people would start their own businesses.

I would say, however, that few would go through all the additional work to start a business when they are only going to make as much as one of their employees who works half as hard.

Seriously though, everyone seems to be arguing against everyone getting paid the same thing, but I don't really think that is what anyone is advocating. Not even Obama...




No i agree obama is not arguing for everyone to make the same but several people on this topic are wondering why some people make large salaries and some make little.


I don't agree that some are wondering why people make large salaries and why some don't. The question seems to be why there is such a gap in income, and why that gap is growing. Perhaps if I get a little extra time (or if someone feels particularly helpful), I will find some information on the widening income discrepancy between the "have's" and the "have not's".

This is an appropriate question because it changes the dynamics of the society, and the price of entry into the middle class is much different than before. Has it changed the "American Dream"? Is it possible for someone to work hard and move up in our society? What are the barriers that exist for immigrants? How has that changed over the years? How will this affect our relations with people in different socio-economic classes?

It's easy for us to sit here and say "work harder"! without thinking about the underlying issues that arise from this growing discrepancy. Yes, there have always been and always will be the Rockefellers, the Mellons, and the Gates', but there is a real change in the dynamics of economic structure. I have never heard anyone suggest that it is appropriate for the gubmint to come to your house, take your money, and then go hard it to someone simply becaues they are making less. If someone can show me where that argument has been made, I would appreciate it.


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lately I think we have seen plenty of EXPERIENCED 7-figure executives that have run their company into the ground.  They get their golden parachute...the workers get screwed!

ETA "Experienced"



"Plenty"....define that. How many people making 7 figures drove their company into the ground? Maybe multiple execs within a company, but the number of companies experiencing disaster is what, a half dozen??? And just how many big companies with officers making big money out there are doing just fine with honest execs? It has to be kept in perspective...True, those co's in the news affected thousands of employees and I am not lessening the damage they did, but let's not group all millionaire execs in the same boat... We'd start sounding like THE MEDIA
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D.Z. - 2008-10-31 7:16 AM

MGray - 2008-10-30 11:54 PM

pengy - 2008-10-30 1:12 AM

MGray - 2008-10-29 11:41 PM

ColdRingo6 - 2008-10-29 1:36 PM

It might.  There are plenty of historical examples of the "have-nots" taking matters into their own hands and forcibly redistributing the wealth of the "haves".  I'd like to think we've matured as a society to the point where we find better solutions than revolution or other violent forms of social unrest, but I think people are capable of some pretty insane things if pushed far enough.


Hurry, we better redistribute all the wealth because someone might come along and want to take it by force. So now we should do it through threats of violence. I don't think so.
If everyone want's everyone to have the same money that looks good on paper, but why should i even start and build the widget company and have all the employees working for me and take out the loans and the risk and get the insurance when in the end i will make no more than any of my employees. So with noone to take these risks for the big paychecks or the big losses depending on how it goes buisness creation stops and our capitalistic economic machine stops. No new buisnesses no new jobs no new monies for you all to tax away from us.


Though I in essence agree with what you are saying, I think your analogy is not very sound. If everyone got paid the same no matter what, then there would be no risk to starting a new business. So with your logic more people would start their own businesses.

I would say, however, that few would go through all the additional work to start a business when they are only going to make as much as one of their employees who works half as hard.

Seriously though, everyone seems to be arguing against everyone getting paid the same thing, but I don't really think that is what anyone is advocating. Not even Obama...




No i agree obama is not arguing for everyone to make the same but several people on this topic are wondering why some people make large salaries and some make little.


I have never heard anyone suggest that it is appropriate for the gubmint to come to your house, take your money, and then go hard it to someone simply becaues they are making less. If someone can show me where that argument has been made, I would appreciate it.


This is exactly what Obama said unfortunately. He is going to take from those who make more and "spread the wealth around". People who pay $0 of federal taxes are going to get a tax credit - basically a hand-out.

I don't care if Democrats or Republicans do this - it is nothing but handing someone who makes less the money of someone who makes more.

This money isn't going 100% to better infrastructure projects and other government uses - it will in a portion go to redistribute the wealth - that is what has gotten people so upset.

2008-10-31 9:19 AM
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Subject: RE: Spread The Wealth
Wolff27 - 2008-10-31 9:50 AM

D.Z. - 2008-10-31 7:16 AM

MGray - 2008-10-30 11:54 PM

pengy - 2008-10-30 1:12 AM

MGray - 2008-10-29 11:41 PM

ColdRingo6 - 2008-10-29 1:36 PM

It might.  There are plenty of historical examples of the "have-nots" taking matters into their own hands and forcibly redistributing the wealth of the "haves".  I'd like to think we've matured as a society to the point where we find better solutions than revolution or other violent forms of social unrest, but I think people are capable of some pretty insane things if pushed far enough.


Hurry, we better redistribute all the wealth because someone might come along and want to take it by force. So now we should do it through threats of violence. I don't think so.
If everyone want's everyone to have the same money that looks good on paper, but why should i even start and build the widget company and have all the employees working for me and take out the loans and the risk and get the insurance when in the end i will make no more than any of my employees. So with noone to take these risks for the big paychecks or the big losses depending on how it goes buisness creation stops and our capitalistic economic machine stops. No new buisnesses no new jobs no new monies for you all to tax away from us.


Though I in essence agree with what you are saying, I think your analogy is not very sound. If everyone got paid the same no matter what, then there would be no risk to starting a new business. So with your logic more people would start their own businesses.

I would say, however, that few would go through all the additional work to start a business when they are only going to make as much as one of their employees who works half as hard.

Seriously though, everyone seems to be arguing against everyone getting paid the same thing, but I don't really think that is what anyone is advocating. Not even Obama...




No i agree obama is not arguing for everyone to make the same but several people on this topic are wondering why some people make large salaries and some make little.


I have never heard anyone suggest that it is appropriate for the gubmint to come to your house, take your money, and then go hard it to someone simply becaues they are making less. If someone can show me where that argument has been made, I would appreciate it.


This is exactly what Obama said unfortunately. He is going to take from those who make more and "spread the wealth around". People who pay $0 of federal taxes are going to get a tax credit - basically a hand-out.

I don't care if Democrats or Republicans do this - it is nothing but handing someone who makes less the money of someone who makes more.

This money isn't going 100% to better infrastructure projects and other government uses - it will in a portion go to redistribute the wealth - that is what has gotten people so upset.



Please site your source.

2008-10-31 9:24 AM
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Subject: RE: Spread The Wealth

D.Z. - 2008-10-31 8:16 AM 

 I don't agree that some are wondering why people make large salaries and why some don't. The question seems to be why there is such a gap in income, and why that gap is growing. Perhaps if I get a little extra time (or if someone feels particularly helpful), I will find some information on the widening income discrepancy between the "have's" and the "have not's". This is an appropriate question because it changes the dynamics of the society, and the price of entry into the middle class is much different than before. Has it changed the "American Dream"? Is it possible for someone to work hard and move up in our society? What are the barriers that exist for immigrants? How has that changed over the years? How will this affect our relations with people in different socio-economic classes? It's easy for us to sit here and say "work harder"! without thinking about the underlying issues that arise from this growing discrepancy.

I can tell you, from personal experience, that YES it is possible to work hard and move up in our society.  Take my brother and I for instance. Both grew up in 'poverty' (think projects and drug dealers/pro's on the corner).  Same opportunities for both of us because not much changed in our status growing up.  I chose one path, he chose another.

We are in vastly different places, economically, now.  His family is partially supported by the gov't and I pay way a lot of my salary to the gov't.  I believe that he and his wife, combined, make about half of my salary.  I decided to take the long and hard road, he took the easier road.  Where did that get us?  Granted this is an N=1 sample, but I have seen this play out so many times.

A majority of those that CHOOSE to not take the hard road are there by decision.  Yes, they are working hard...no doubt about it.  Not everyone can work hard and get ahead, but a majority of people can.  They just choose to put their resources elsewhere.  Good or bad...it's their choice.

I've had the benefit of being on both sides of that fence.  It kills me to see my family cry foul when I see that they have just not worked hard enough and most of the things they complain about are because of choices they made.  Life didn't force them to stay at a job that pays $8/hr.  Life didn't force them to have 3 kids.  They chose those things and now they cry foul.  Well, I'm sorry.  But I made my choice and luckily it panned out for me.

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