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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I have noticed more people at the pool I swim in are doing pullups at the deep end of the pool off the starting blocks. Is there any benefit to that that anybody knows of??
Also, 3100 yards this morning in 1:03:42- Longest swim to date!!! |
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Coach ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() jford2309 - 2009-02-11 9:39 AM for swimming faster/longer, no. Still, congrats on the swim distance milestone I have noticed more people at the pool I swim in are doing pullups at the deep end of the pool off the starting blocks. Is there any benefit to that that anybody knows of?? ![]() |
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Sneaky Slow ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() It's probably the only place that they are actually able to do a pullup. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() jford2309 - 2009-02-11 8:39 AM I have noticed more people at the pool I swim in are doing pullups at the deep end of the pool off the starting blocks. Is there any benefit to that that anybody knows of??
Also, 3100 yards this morning in 1:03:42- Longest swim to date!!! Minimal at best. If you can't do a regular pullup it might help, kind of like the pullup machines with those platform lifts at the gym. You want some real fun, do inandouts. Swim something like a 600+, and every 50 hop out and do one of three things - 20 pushups, 20 situps, or 20 frog leaps. Whee! John |
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Expert![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() newleaf - 2009-02-11 10:47 AMIt's probably the only place that they are actually able to do a pullup. LOL |
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Elite![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() wgraves7582 - 2009-02-11 9:07 AM Do you ever have anyone trying to steal your lane if there is a wait? Nope. I'm a pretty solid boy, and I usually have all my stuff in a martial arts bag. Not too many people come near me, actually. :D (Of course, that could be the lack of deodorant, but hey, whatever works.) John |
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Expert![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() newleaf - 2009-02-11 7:47 AM It's probably the only place that they are actually able to do a pullup. That's why I do 'em! lol I have no illusions that it helps with anything....it's just fun to do while I'm resting and it's probably the closest to a real pullup I'll ever get! |
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Extreme Veteran![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() tkd.teacher - 2009-02-11 8:48 AM You want some real fun, do inandouts. Swim something like a 600+, and every 50 hop out and do one of three things - 20 pushups, 20 situps, or 20 frog leaps. Whee! John This reminds me of the 'Chinese fire drill'. At the stop light everyone jumps out and runs around the car and jumps back in once the light turns green... Ace |
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Elite![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() acefaser - 2009-02-11 12:33 PM tkd.teacher - 2009-02-11 8:48 AM You want some real fun, do inandouts. Swim something like a 600+, and every 50 hop out and do one of three things - 20 pushups, 20 situps, or 20 frog leaps. Whee! John This reminds me of the 'Chinese fire drill'. At the stop light everyone jumps out and runs around the car and jumps back in once the light turns green... Ace Yeah, we tried that on the swim team as well. But, one guy skidded in a corner and we ended up with a 9 swimmer pileup on the deck. Elbows everywhere, it was NOT pretty... John |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I sometimes do them to remind myself where the power is in my catch. I do pull ups then do a double catch drill then swim. |
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Veteran![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I don't see how it couldn't help, even if minimally. You're increasing your strength and muscle endurance. You certainly use some back muscles during the swim, and overhand pullups are all back and shoulders. They would obviously benefit more from during pullups outside of the pool, but hey, it should help either way. |
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Elite![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() KathyG - 2009-02-11 1:48 PM I sometimes do them to remind myself where the power is in my catch. I do pull ups then do a double catch drill then swim. I have a great double catch drill. I call it butterfly. John |
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Elite![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() SeminoleTriathlete - 2009-02-11 1:50 PM I don't see how it couldn't help, even if minimally. You're increasing your strength and muscle endurance. You certainly use some back muscles during the swim, and overhand pullups are all back and shoulders. They would obviously benefit more from during pullups outside of the pool, but hey, it should help either way. Pullups in the pool are like doing biceps curls with coke cans. Eventually you might see some benefit... John |
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Expert![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() tkd.teacher - 2009-02-11 6:36 PM SeminoleTriathlete - 2009-02-11 1:50 PM I don't see how it couldn't help, even if minimally. You're increasing your strength and muscle endurance. You certainly use some back muscles during the swim, and overhand pullups are all back and shoulders. They would obviously benefit more from during pullups outside of the pool, but hey, it should help either way. Pullups in the pool are like doing biceps curls with coke cans. Eventually you might see some benefit... John Not true. If someone cant do a lat pull down with 100lbs should they not try it with 50lbs? Same thing with someone who may not be able to do an unassisted pull-up. To them ( maybe not to you or I) it is beneficial because their muscles are doing something that taxes them. Eventually of course they would reach the point where the benefits fade. Since I am guessing TKD stands for Tae Kwon Do would you recommend a new student who cant kick head high to just not bother with performing knee high kicks if that all they can manage?
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Elite![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Imjin - 2009-02-11 6:02 PM tkd.teacher - 2009-02-11 6:36 PM SeminoleTriathlete - 2009-02-11 1:50 PM I don't see how it couldn't help, even if minimally. You're increasing your strength and muscle endurance. You certainly use some back muscles during the swim, and overhand pullups are all back and shoulders. They would obviously benefit more from during pullups outside of the pool, but hey, it should help either way. Pullups in the pool are like doing biceps curls with coke cans. Eventually you might see some benefit... John Not true. If someone cant do a lat pull down with 100lbs should they not try it with 50lbs? Same thing with someone who may not be able to do an unassisted pull-up. To them ( maybe not to you or I) it is beneficial because their muscles are doing something that taxes them. Eventually of course they would reach the point where the benefits fade. Since I am guessing TKD stands for Tae Kwon Do would you recommend a new student who cant kick head high to just not bother with performing knee high kicks if that all they can manage?
That's a non sequiter. (But no, I wouldn't). The reason I say that it's like doing biceps curls with coke cans is that the resistance is so low that you really aren't stressing the muscles enough to produce growth, and the range of motion is extremely limited so you aren't doing the exercise properly, either. John |
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Coach![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() SeminoleTriathlete - 2009-02-11 2:50 PM I don't see how it couldn't help, even if minimally. You're increasing your strength and muscle endurance. You certainly use some back muscles during the swim, and overhand pullups are all back and shoulders. They would obviously benefit more from during pullups outside of the pool, but hey, it should help either way. limiter for endurance is power (work/time) NOT strenght, plus swimming is more about proper technique. You can have a body builder who has plenty of maximal strenght and a 15 yo female petite slim swimmer race and the gilr will swim laps around the body builder because she has more swim power and better technqiue... |
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New user![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() JorgeM - 2009-02-12 7:02 AM You can have a body builder who has plenty of maximal strenght and a 15 yo female petite slim swimmer race and the gilr will swim laps around the body builder because she has more swim power and better technqiue...
Heh. That reminds me of a recent experience at my swimming pool. I lift weights, in addition to tri training, and I am pretty muscular. 5'11", 215 lbs, 12% BF. I'm a decent swimmer, but not super fast or anything. So here I am, probably about 2500 yards or so into my 4000 yard swim, and these two teenage girls get into the lane next to me. Good looking, but I'm not a pervert so I don't pay much attention, until they start screwing around, and splashing, and just basically screwing off. About 5 minutes of that, and just as I am about to say something, they start swimming laps in their lane. They fly by me like I am standing still, and I think, fine, they can do that for one lap, anyone can swim one lap really fast, besides, I am tired from my previous 2500 yards, so I must be slowing down by now, right?!?! Well, no, they keep on going, lap after lap, lapping me like I was treading water. When I finish my 4000, they are still going, and still going just as fast. It's funny, I could probably bicep curl each of them and throw them across the length of the pool, but their swimming technique more than made up for their lack of upper body strength. Probably high school swim team (I say that to make myself feel better) Anyways, it goes to show that the swim is all about technique and has little to do with strength. As to the original question of pullups helping, well, I can do about 30 dead hang pullups(on a regular bar, not off a starting block), but that doesn't make me a good swimmer. So, keep on doing pullup off the starting block, but don't expect it to help you much, if any. |
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![]() | ![]() I put on a ton of weight. So, I've been swimming to build some strength, endurance, and to prevent hurting an Achilles issue. I started doing pull-ups off the end of my diving board. I can only get to 15. However, in order to pull up, I force my body straight in the water since it tends to pull toward the wall. That's got to be working on the core. Also, I've never been able to do pull-ups ever even as a child. I definitely feel burning in my shoulders and biceps. I'm hoping to keep working up so I can do them out of the water at least 1 partial then go from there. So, it may not really benefit a person already able with plenty of strength, but I feel it doing something as far as fatiguing the muscles. |