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2009-06-16 3:37 PM
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pitt83 - 2009-06-16 8:24 AM Figures: He's a Penn State graduate. They teach stuff like that along with "Plowing 101" and "Introduction to Ice Cream".


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2009-06-16 3:40 PM
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Marvarnett - 2009-06-16 12:22 PM First things first:  This is a stupid lawsuit.

BUT....

I have never been a fan of the whole Women get in Free/Drink Free/$10 off on Wednesday thing.  Why is that not considered a form of discrimination?

FWIW, there was a bar in Orlando that had ladies drink free and then they changed it to anyone in a skirt drinks for free.(we heard someone threatened to sue)  We were in there all the time...in our skirts.


wrong.  you can't deny anyone service based on gender, race, etc etc etc.  having a marketing promotion to get women in the door is not discrimination.  its trying to increase or appeal to a new clientele.
2009-06-16 4:08 PM
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meherczeg - 2009-06-16 4:40 PM

Marvarnett - 2009-06-16 12:22 PM First things first:  This is a stupid lawsuit.

BUT....

I have never been a fan of the whole Women get in Free/Drink Free/$10 off on Wednesday thing.  Why is that not considered a form of discrimination?

FWIW, there was a bar in Orlando that had ladies drink free and then they changed it to anyone in a skirt drinks for free.(we heard someone threatened to sue)  We were in there all the time...in our skirts.


wrong.  you can't deny anyone service based on gender, race, etc etc etc.  having a marketing promotion to get women in the door is not discrimination.  its trying to increase or appeal to a new clientele.


It's discrimination. You are treating someone substantially different because of their gender. It's legality is questionable, but it is discrimination.



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2009-06-16 6:47 PM
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PennState - 2009-06-16 2:32 PM
D.Z. -  It's discrimination. You are treating someone substantially different because of their gender. It's legality is questionable, but it is discrimination.


So are you saying the lawsuit and settlement are legit?


Hahaha! Excellent!

I understand that in this situation, the plaintiff and the lawyer are the same person. However, if J. Public goes to an Attorney and pays the Attorney to file a lawsuit, why should the attorney refuse to do so? 

The purpose of an Attorney is to represent People in court, not decide who or what is right. Deciding is what the Judge does. Court fees and the awarding of costs to the loser should keep the stupidity somewhat in check. That way only rich people can be really stupid.  It doesn't always work obviously, but even when the Attorney tells the client that they will likely lose, the client can still choose to pay court fees and the attorney by the hour.

Not that many people will spend $350/hour when they are told that they will likely lose because there is no basis in law for their complaint.  Some absolutely will though.
2009-06-17 7:26 AM
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PennState - 2009-06-16 5:32 PM

D.Z. -  It's discrimination. You are treating someone substantially different because of their gender. It's legality is questionable, but it is discrimination.


So are you saying the lawsuit and settlement are legit?


Wuh?

Some forms of discrimination are legal. A faith-based organization can discriminate on religious reasons (a Muslim organization can refuse to hire a Jew, for example), and it is not illegal to discriminate againt a 35 year-old based on their age. An employer can legally refuse to hire a transgendered individual.


2009-06-17 7:41 AM
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Alfred G. Rava obviously has no mother.
2009-06-17 9:30 AM
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pga_mike - 2009-06-17 8:41 AM

Alfred G. Rava obviously has no mother.


No, he's been following the Joe Paterno school of ethics from his fine PSU education. Whine as loud as possible until you either get your way or pewp your pants.
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2009-06-17 11:26 AM
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PennState - 2009-06-17 12:22 PM
D.Z. - and it is not illegal to discriminate againt a 35 year-old based on their age. An employer can legally refuse to hire a transgendered individual.


Can someone confirm that this is really true?


This implies that it isn't true... that the "magic age" is 40, when the anti-discrimination laws kick in...

Only 2 more years to go... woo-hoo!!!

eta: well, there seem to be two laws... one applying to all ages, one applying to people over 40.  So yes and no, I guess.

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2009-06-17 11:32 AM
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ell-in-or - 2009-06-16 7:47 PM

if J. Public goes to an Attorney and pays the Attorney to file a lawsuit, why should the attorney refuse to do so? 


I dunno, personal ethics maybe?

2009-06-17 12:09 PM
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PennState - 2009-06-17 12:22 PM
D.Z. - and it is not illegal to discriminate againt a 35 year-old based on their age. An employer can legally refuse to hire a transgendered individual.


Can someone confirm that this is really true?


This implies that it isn't true... that the "magic age" is 40, when the anti-discrimination laws kick in...

Only 2 more years to go... woo-hoo!!!

eta: well, there seem to be two laws... one applying to all ages, one applying to people over 40.  So yes and no, I guess.


It is true. The ADEA protects individuals 40 and over. Under 40, it's not against federal law (in most cases, as the link shows there are some exceptions). Some states may have different laws. All discrimination is wrong, but it is not all in violation of federal law (I should have clarified that in my original post).

2009-06-17 12:15 PM
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D.Z. - 2009-06-17 1:09 PM
newleaf - 2009-06-17 12:26 PM
PennState - 2009-06-17 12:22 PM
D.Z. - and it is not illegal to discriminate againt a 35 year-old based on their age. An employer can legally refuse to hire a transgendered individual.


Can someone confirm that this is really true?


This implies that it isn't true... that the "magic age" is 40, when the anti-discrimination laws kick in...

Only 2 more years to go... woo-hoo!!!

eta: well, there seem to be two laws... one applying to all ages, one applying to people over 40.  So yes and no, I guess.
It is true. The ADEA protects individuals 40 and over. Under 40, it's not against federal law (in most cases, as the link shows there are some exceptions). Some states may have different laws. All discrimination is wrong, but it is not all in violation of federal law (I should have clarified that in my original post).


Ah, I misread your post.  Missed the "not" in front of the "illegal."
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