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2009-07-01 5:43 PM

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Subject: Training - run emphasis/bike emphasis weeks?
For those of you out there that don't have unlimited time to train, do you ever IM train and alternate back and forth between a heavy emphasis week on running one week and then heavy emphasis bike the next week? 

There is just no way for me to put in 35+ miles a week running and 150+ miles a week on the bike in the same week (time wise). I was thinking of trying to alternate between weeks placing a huge emphasis on running one week (35-50 Miles) and doing just a couple of rides that week. Then the next week doing the 150+ bike miles with a couple of easy runs thrown in. Back and forth, so on and so on?

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2009-07-02 8:25 AM
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Subject: RE: Training - run emphasis/bike emphasis weeks?

I've seen something similar to this recommended to people who can't get in a long run during the week but don't want to do a long run and long bike on the same weekend for recovery reasons.  If you change to alternating long runs and long rides every other weekend your training will tend to be heavier on one or the other each week, though maybe not as exagerated as you're thinking. 

I'm may try this next year.

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2009-07-02 10:14 AM
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Subject: RE: Training - run emphasis/bike emphasis weeks?
yeah, just more or less curious as to others opinions.  I'd probably work it similar to the following (of course with some swimming thrown in along the way):

Week 1
M - bike 25-30
T -  bike 25-30
W - run 5-8
T - bike 25-30
F - Off or run 3-5
S - Bike 70+
S - Off or short run/bike


Week 2
M - Run 5-7
T - Bike 25-30
W - Run 5-7
T - Run 5-7
F - Off
S - Run 15+
S - off or short bike/run

2009-07-02 11:03 AM
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Are you planning on swimming?

2009-07-02 11:33 AM
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You don't need to run 35 mpw to train for IM.

It is all about consistent training. I think you should come up with a plan that fits your life and work that consistently.

I wouldn't alternate between 35 mph running weeks with 30 miles of biking and then 150 miles of biking and 10 miles of running. Perhaps alternating one workout as a run one week and a bike the next would be more consistent.

I have a coach so he arranges my training and I have basically unlimited time. I have 4 swims some weeks and 3 other weeks and my bikes change similar up one or down one and they sort of swap off.

What never ever ever gets dropped are runs as that is what needs to be strong and durable for IM. Even in recovery weeks I run 20+ miles and race weeks I will run 12-15 miles over a couple days early in the week plus race distance. I consistently run similar time most every week with a few variations for races and life.
2009-07-02 12:53 PM
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Subject: RE: Training - run emphasis/bike emphasis weeks?
lisac957 - 2009-07-02 11:03 AM Are you planning on swimming?



I swim 1-2 times a week maybe.  I will be a 2:00/100 swimmer no matter what I do. So, I'd rather spend the hour or so on the bike or on the run than in the pool as there's much more room for improvement there than there is swimming (and must more time to catch on raceday).


2009-07-04 9:27 AM
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KathyG - 2009-07-02 8:33 AM
It is all about consistent training. I think you should come up with a plan that fits your life and work that consistently.

X1000, IM training is all about being consistent.  Everyone likes to talk about their mega rides and runs but putting together a good string of short workouts (with rest and recovery mixed in) are just as important.

Lance - I would not go 5 to 6 days without getting on my bike. 

2009-07-04 8:09 PM
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If you are going to take this approach build your bike fitness first and then add the run fitness later on. The key to remember is that aerobic fitness is aerobic fitness so the fitness (cardiovascularly) that you build on the bike is going to transfer to the run. What you have to focus on in run training is preparing your body for the pounding of a marathon. Run fitness also tends to atrophy faster than bike fitness so you can build up to your 5-6 hour rides a couple of months out and then put your bike into maintenance mode and build your run fitness over the course of 8-10 weeks. This is assuming that you have some run fitness already in order to build on.

2009-07-05 10:11 AM
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Subject: RE: Training - run emphasis/bike emphasis weeks?
My time is also very limited but I have been consistent from the beginning - usually 3 bikes/week (sometimes 4), 3 runs, 2-3 swims. The only reason for the variation on the swim and bike is time. The "extra" workout is optional so if I have time, I do them. If I don't, I don't. My weekday bike workouts are never that long, usually 1-2 hours and almost always focus on intervals so I gain a lot in a short amount of time. You may want to try something like that. My runs are the same - tempo, brick and long. Each is really focused and the only one that takes a lot of time is the long run.

I'm also a 2:00/100 swimmer but I'd caution taking the swim too lightly. I totally agree you aren't likely to get much faster (I sure haven't) but you will get more efficient and that will make a difference on race day. It's a pain, but I put in the pool time and definitely feel stronger and more comfortable as a result.
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2009-07-05 11:51 AM
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PennState - 2009-07-05 8:29 AM ETA: in an ideal world you would balance everything perfectly and do training runs of 20 miles... but a lot of people can't balance this and stay healthy... so there are other approaches

If asked, I normally tell people that your longest IM training run should be 20 miles or 2.5 hours whichever comes first.  If you can only run 13 miles in 2.5 hours then only run 13 miles. 



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PennState - 2009-07-05 8:29 AM ETA: in an ideal world you would balance everything perfectly and do training runs of 20 miles... but a lot of people can't balance this and stay healthy... so there are other approaches

If asked, I normally tell people that your longest IM training run should be 20 miles or 2.5 hours whichever comes first.  If you can only run 13 miles in 2.5 hours then only run 13 miles. 



I have to wonder if this is true for everyone though. I ran 2:15 today and it was 15 miles, not nearly the peak of my IM training. I have a couple really long runs coming up later on the schedule that will take me 3 hours or even a bit more. I don't think I'm generally fit enough to do a 13 mile training run and have it be enough. I work with a coach so it's not like I'm out there winging it and risking injury. Anyway, I just think it's very individual and there is no single formula that will work for all of us.
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Subject: RE: Training - run emphasis/bike emphasis weeks?
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T in Liberty Lake - 2009-07-05 12:51 PM

PennState - 2009-07-05 8:29 AM ETA: in an ideal world you would balance everything perfectly and do training runs of 20 miles... but a lot of people can't balance this and stay healthy... so there are other approaches

If asked, I normally tell people that your longest IM training run should be 20 miles or 2.5 hours whichever comes first.  If you can only run 13 miles in 2.5 hours then only run 13 miles. 



I have to wonder if this is true for everyone though. I ran 2:15 today and it was 15 miles, not nearly the peak of my IM training. I have a couple really long runs coming up later on the schedule that will take me 3 hours or even a bit more. I don't think I'm generally fit enough to do a 13 mile training run and have it be enough. I work with a coach so it's not like I'm out there winging it and risking injury. Anyway, I just think it's very individual and there is no single formula that will work for all of us.


Last year I did runs up to 4 hours for IM and this year I'm already at just over 3 hours and will be doing runs 2 miles longer so probably 3:30. If I ran just 2.5 hours I'd run about 13 miles. For IM that would mean I'd be doing lots of walking. I trust my coach and do what he outlines. He has been very successful with his athletes he helps lots of folks KQ not my goal but shows he is sucessful.
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