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2010-04-30 1:51 PM
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Subject: RE: Federal Immigration Reform
scoobysdad - 2010-04-30 2:45 PM
cardenas1 - 2010-04-30 1:42 PM This is all about the fastest growing voter block in the US. Nobody wants to rock the Hispanic ship right now. Both Bush and Obama were significantly lifted by these voters and everyone is well aware. Arizona had to make a move politically because of Budget neccessity. Until it is a financial & Budget 800 lb gorrilla at National level (some could argue it already is), it will be left untouched Nationally. 2 cents of course.
Winner, winner, chicken dinner.


Exactly right.  Immigration will not be solved until the government grows a set and decides that the future of the country is more important than being elected.  Not holding my breath on that one.

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2010-04-30 5:27 PM
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moondawg14 - 2010-04-30 1:59 PM

Give them amnesty so they can fully partake in the system.

OR

Pack them up and send them home.

Either way, I don't care.


It has to be the former.  Both are pretty darn hard to pull off, but locating and deporting every illegal is nigh impossible.  That said, you can *only* give amnesty when our borders have been secured once and for all.  That we haven't done a better job eliminating illegal traffic over our borders is maybe the greatest failure of the post-911 era.   Once we have surety that illegal aliens and potential enemies can't cross our borders we can find solutions for converting aliens in to citizens or resident aliens with strict terms and accountability.
2010-04-30 5:38 PM
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The truth is that we are all to blame for the illegal immigration situation.  Illegal immigrants come here to work, because they can make more money that way than working in Mexico (or other countries).  Businesses hire illegals because they can do so at far less cost than hiring citizens (who require a higher salary and benefits).  And we consumers enjoy paying lower prices for goods, which are lower partly because of immigrant labor.  If all businesses used just citizens for labor, prices would definitely go up.  And many folks will gladly pay a dollar less at store X (that employs illegals) vs. a dollar more at store Y (that only employs citizens).

It's easy to say "just shut the borders!", but is everyone willing to deal with the very real consequence of that, which is higher prices for goods?
2010-04-30 6:17 PM
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Tripolar - 2010-04-30 4:38 PM The truth is that we are all to blame for the illegal immigration situation.  Illegal immigrants come here to work, because they can make more money that way than working in Mexico (or other countries).  Businesses hire illegals because they can do so at far less cost than hiring citizens (who require a higher salary and benefits).  And we consumers enjoy paying lower prices for goods, which are lower partly because of immigrant labor.  If all businesses used just citizens for labor, prices would definitely go up.  And many folks will gladly pay a dollar less at store X (that employs illegals) vs. a dollar more at store Y (that only employs citizens).

It's easy to say "just shut the borders!", but is everyone willing to deal with the very real consequence of that, which is higher prices for goods?


But then again would not health care costs, property taxes and the costs of social service programs go down also?
2010-04-30 9:52 PM
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Tripolar - 2010-04-30 6:38 PM

The truth is that we are all to blame for the illegal immigration situation.  Illegal immigrants come here to work, because they can make more mIt's easy to say "just shut the borders!", but is everyone willing to deal with the very real consequence of that, which is higher prices for goods?


Truth is, the only industry that has been effected by hiring of illegal imigration is agriculture and some could argue construction/hospitality during the good years. If a safer Country and secure borders equates to .10 cents more for a head of lettuce or .20 cents for a tomato I will take the trade off anytime.
2010-05-01 5:12 AM
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cardenas1 - 2010-04-30 10:52 PM
Tripolar - 2010-04-30 6:38 PM The truth is that we are all to blame for the illegal immigration situation.  Illegal immigrants come here to work, because they can make more mIt's easy to say "just shut the borders!", but is everyone willing to deal with the very real consequence of that, which is higher prices for goods?
Truth is, the only industry that has been effected by hiring of illegal imigration is agriculture and some could argue construction/hospitality during the good years. If a safer Country and secure borders equates to .10 cents more for a head of lettuce or .20 cents for a tomato I will take the trade off anytime.


I think your off in your statement of the effected industries. The biggest hospital in GA has been near bankruptcy several times because its budget is not enough to cover the amount of uninsured people it treats. 1/3 of its patients are uninsured and a huge portion of that is illegals. Not that it would fix all the ills of a hospital in the inner city but it wouldnt hurt either.


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