Graniteman - Racing and religion
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2010-07-13 6:22 AM |
Veteran 136 Minnesota | Subject: Graniteman - Racing and religion Hey all, I definitely don't want to get in a debate about religion specifically, I'm just wondering where you all think it should be in the scheme of things at a race. Religion is just such a personal thing, and this event threw me for a loop. |
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2010-07-13 7:25 AM in reply to: #2977000 |
Champion 10154 Alabama | Subject: RE: Graniteman - Racing and religion If the RD was done and handed the mike over to someone to pray why would you think there would be 'last minute announcements' that you missed? I don't think that was really your concern at all. I'm not sure why you felt a need to leave during the prayer. I can't imagine the prayer lasting more than about 30 seconds. Maybe you could have just sat there and looked around for a few moments to respect those that wanted to pray. |
2010-07-13 7:34 AM in reply to: #2977110 |
Veteran 867 Vicksburg | Subject: RE: Graniteman - Racing and religion No big deal, if your not religous dont pay no mind. |
2010-07-13 7:35 AM in reply to: #2977110 |
Expert 617 | Subject: RE: Graniteman - Racing and religion "Invocations" are pretty common at sporting events. I seem to recall them at about 1/3 of the tri's I've done but at 100% of big sporting events, like any type of nationals. You certainly do not have to participate. Just take the moment to calm yourself and collect your thoughts before the race begins. I personally prefer the ones that are short, simple, and sincere as opposed to those that seem a little "preachy" as those honestly make me a little uncomfortable too but "to each his own". Besides, everyone who makes it to the starting line of a tri has a lot to be grateful for, no matter who they feel inclined to feel grateful to and I think it is nice, and appropriate, for people to take a moment to reflect upon that. |
2010-07-13 7:37 AM in reply to: #2977000 |
Elite 3223 Hendersonville | Subject: RE: Graniteman - Racing and religion I don't remember that happening at all when I lived in FL, but I would be surprised if I went to just about ANYTHING here in TN and they didn't say a prayer first. It could be a car wash, and they will say a prayer first. I am not a Christian either, but I live in a culturally Christian area, so I bow my head and wait till it's over and go about my business. If it ever happens again, you can bow your head and spend that time giving yourself a last minute pep-talk for your race. A little quiet reflection for a few seconds is always a good way to center yourself and prepare to kick butt. |
2010-07-13 8:14 AM in reply to: #2977000 |
Subject: RE: Graniteman - Racing and religion If it detracted from your race experience, don't sign up for races by that RD again. Simple. |
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2010-07-13 8:14 AM in reply to: #2977139 |
Expert 1074 Madison, MS | Subject: RE: Graniteman - Racing and religion Tri Take Me Away - 2010-07-13 7:37 AM I don't remember that happening at all when I lived in FL, but I would be surprised if I went to just about ANYTHING here in TN and they didn't say a prayer first. It could be a car wash, and they will say a prayer first. I am not a Christian either, but I live in a culturally Christian area, so I bow my head and wait till it's over and go about my business. If it ever happens again, you can bow your head and spend that time giving yourself a last minute pep-talk for your race. A little quiet reflection for a few seconds is always a good way to center yourself and prepare to kick butt. I live in MS. Same here. I call it the Baptist's backyard. Truthfully, I sometimes find it tiresome. But doesn't hurt to stop and be respectful of others for a few moments. |
2010-07-13 8:14 AM in reply to: #2977000 |
Champion 11989 Philly 'burbs | Subject: RE: Graniteman - Racing and religion I've not seen it, would not be bothered by it but would find it odd, would participate in it, and would expect those who are not participating to show respect to those who are by staying put for a few moments. |
2010-07-13 8:28 AM in reply to: #2977000 |
Extreme Veteran 745 Colo Springs, CO | Subject: RE: Graniteman - Racing and religion I personally never bow my head while others pray, why would I? I'm not praying. I prefer to look around and people watch. I find it fascinating how much belief people put in supernatural beings. But if you want to walk away, I think that's fine too. |
2010-07-13 8:34 AM in reply to: #2977260 |
Champion 11989 Philly 'burbs | Subject: RE: Graniteman - Racing and religion lodewey - 2010-07-13 9:28 AM I find it fascinating how much belief people put in supernatural beings. Yet you quote Richard Bach; now that's fascinating. |
2010-07-13 8:35 AM in reply to: #2977000 |
Champion 6962 Atlanta, Ga | Subject: RE: Graniteman - Racing and religion They do that at our local race series (Tri the Parks). I am not religious, but I respect people's religion in general, so I wait until it's done. Just like if someone is moving around for the National Anthem, I don't freak out anymore. I just stand at attention because it means something to ME. So, in short, show the RD respect and use the moment how you see fit. Not to hijack your thread, but I would like to pose a question to others. Would you be so quick to say, just bow your head and be silent (etc) if instead of a Christian prayer, a Muslim, Hindu, Wiccan rite was performed? I would be just as 'tolerant' but I feel others would act as the OP and feel it was ok. |
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2010-07-13 8:36 AM in reply to: #2977000 |
Extreme Veteran 607 Rochester, MN | Subject: RE: Graniteman - Racing and religion I was there and did not even remember it until I saw this thread. I've been racing in MN for 5 years and this is the first time I recall something like this at a pre-race meeting. I am a Christian and didn't think much about it. As another poster guessed, it did take maybe 30 seconds. It wasn't a big deal for me. |
2010-07-13 8:37 AM in reply to: #2977278 |
Extreme Veteran 745 Colo Springs, CO | Subject: RE: Graniteman - Racing and religion mrbbrad - 2010-07-13 7:34 AM lodewey - 2010-07-13 9:28 AM I find it fascinating how much belief people put in supernatural beings. Yet you quote Richard Bach; now that's fascinating. Yes, but I don't worship him. Or anything else. |
2010-07-13 8:48 AM in reply to: #2977000 |
2010-07-13 8:49 AM in reply to: #2977293 |
Champion 11989 Philly 'burbs | Subject: RE: Graniteman - Racing and religion lodewey - 2010-07-13 9:37 AM mrbbrad - 2010-07-13 7:34 AM lodewey - 2010-07-13 9:28 AM I find it fascinating how much belief people put in supernatural beings. Yet you quote Richard Bach; now that's fascinating. Yes, but I don't worship him. Or anything else. Oh, ok. You didn't mention worship before, only belief. I'd think his philosophy that our apparent physical limits and mortality are merely appearance hinges on what some may consider supernatural. |
2010-07-13 8:51 AM in reply to: #2977000 |
Pro 4612 MA | Subject: RE: Graniteman - Racing and religion Never participated in an even that had a prayer at the beginning. |
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2010-07-13 8:56 AM in reply to: #2977316 |
Extreme Veteran 745 Colo Springs, CO | Subject: RE: Graniteman - Racing and religion mrbbrad - 2010-07-13 7:49 AM lodewey - 2010-07-13 9:37 AM mrbbrad - 2010-07-13 7:34 AM lodewey - 2010-07-13 9:28 AM I find it fascinating how much belief people put in supernatural beings. Yet you quote Richard Bach; now that's fascinating. Yes, but I don't worship him. Or anything else. Oh, ok. You didn't mention worship before, only belief. I'd think his philosophy that our apparent physical limits and mortality are merely appearance hinges on what some may consider supernatural. I enjoy many types of literature/entertainment... including that which portrays the supernatural. And I liked the quote from Illusions because I see so many people who are limiting themselves through their own self-doubt. But do I believe in the supernatural? Not at all. I don't believe in god, the devil, reincarnation, heaven, hell or the concept of a soul (although I do believe in Soul music!) or anything else that requires going beyond nature. And I firmly believe that just because we cannot yet explain everything in nature, that does not mean there must be a supernatural explanation. We just haven't found the explanation yet. |
2010-07-13 8:56 AM in reply to: #2977322 |
Subject: RE: Graniteman - Racing and religion D.K. - 2010-07-13 9:51 AM I bet you can use the same strategy - just stand there for the respect of the believers, while doing some people watching. Most of the prayers don't last long anyways. It's like when they have the National anthems before the start - I am a foreigner and that anthem doesn't really mean much to me. Out of respect I would stand there instead of running around when the anthem is being sung. That's definitely something that's missing from today's society, respect for others in such situations. They've done the US and Canadian anthems for a number of races I've been to. It amazes me how many people just walk away when "their" anthem isn't playing. How about just taking 30 seconds to a minute of time and being respectful to the people that does mean something to? Would that hurt too much? |
2010-07-13 8:57 AM in reply to: #2977284 |
Champion 11989 Philly 'burbs | Subject: RE: Graniteman - Racing and religion Marvarnett - 2010-07-13 9:35 AM Not to hijack your thread, but I would like to pose a question to others. Would you be so quick to say, just bow your head and be silent (etc) if instead of a Christian prayer, a Muslim, Hindu, Wiccan rite was performed? I would be just as 'tolerant' but I feel others would act as the OP and feel it was ok. I'm jumping on the hijack. When I read the OP, the comment that "I'm not Christian so I just began making my way to the start" stuck out to me. I wondered what if it was a non-Christian prayer? Would he have stayed? I would have. |
2010-07-13 8:59 AM in reply to: #2977000 |
Member 5452 NC | Subject: RE: Graniteman - Racing and religion If anyone's brand of supernatural big man(en)/woman(en) in the sky/mountain/lake want to bestow some grace on me, I will gladly accept. |
2010-07-13 9:03 AM in reply to: #2977000 |
Expert 2555 Colorado Springs, Colorado | Subject: RE: Graniteman - Racing and religion Once the pre-race announcements were handed off to the preacher, the pre-race info was over. You didn't miss anything. Since this was the 5th time you've done the race, it's surprising you even went to the meeting. I know many people who skip these meetings after doing the same race multiple times. Nothing wrong with leaving as you did. |
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2010-07-13 9:08 AM in reply to: #2977284 |
Champion 14571 the alamo city, Texas | Subject: RE: Graniteman - Racing and religion Marvarnett - 2010-07-13 9:35 AM They do that at our local race series (Tri the Parks). I am not religious, but I respect people's religion in general, so I wait until it's done. Just like if someone is moving around for the National Anthem, I don't freak out anymore. I just stand at attention because it means something to ME. So, in short, show the RD respect and use the moment how you see fit. Not to hijack your thread, but I would like to pose a question to others. Would you be so quick to say, just bow your head and be silent (etc) if instead of a Christian prayer, a Muslim, Hindu, Wiccan rite was performed? I would be just as 'tolerant' but I feel others would act as the OP and feel it was ok. I think this is an excellent question. I'm a Christian and appreciate moments like this, but had it been a Jewish or Muslim RD, I HOPE that I would respect THEIR reverence for the moment and remain still and silent, perhaps while praying my own prayers. Back on topic, if the RD is a believer, he is challenged to acknowledge God in ALL things, and to do so publicly is admirable. I don't always have the courage to say a proper prayer before eating in certain company, to take time before hundreds (?) of athletes that all may or may not believe is acting out the Great Commission. Be brave in the face of what others may think of you and spread his love to all those around you...You have to understand WHY the RD did this. |
2010-07-13 9:15 AM in reply to: #2977284 |
Champion 10154 Alabama | Subject: RE: Graniteman - Racing and religion Marvarnett - 2010-07-13 8:35 AM They do that at our local race series (Tri the Parks). I am not religious, but I respect people's religion in general, so I wait until it's done. Just like if someone is moving around for the National Anthem, I don't freak out anymore. I just stand at attention because it means something to ME. So, in short, show the RD respect and use the moment how you see fit. Not to hijack your thread, but I would like to pose a question to others. Would you be so quick to say, just bow your head and be silent (etc) if instead of a Christian prayer, a Muslim, Hindu, Wiccan rite was performed? I would be just as 'tolerant' but I feel others would act as the OP and feel it was ok. If I lived in a country that was predominatly muslim or hindu or budahist and it was their custom to pray before sporting events, I would respect their belief and culture. When in Rome..... RE the "facination with people who belive in the supernatual". It find it facinating how anyone finds facination in the overwhelming majority. Seems to me it is much more facinating to study the 3% of the 5 billion people who DON'T believe in some sort of supernatural. It really does boil down to respect and tollerance. r e s - p E c t. (kinda hard to write that...really needs to be sung). ~Mike |
2010-07-13 9:24 AM in reply to: #2977376 |
Champion 6962 Atlanta, Ga | Subject: RE: Graniteman - Racing and religion Rogillio - 2010-07-13 10:15 AM Marvarnett - 2010-07-13 8:35 AM They do that at our local race series (Tri the Parks). I am not religious, but I respect people's religion in general, so I wait until it's done. Just like if someone is moving around for the National Anthem, I don't freak out anymore. I just stand at attention because it means something to ME. So, in short, show the RD respect and use the moment how you see fit. Not to hijack your thread, but I would like to pose a question to others. Would you be so quick to say, just bow your head and be silent (etc) if instead of a Christian prayer, a Muslim, Hindu, Wiccan rite was performed? I would be just as 'tolerant' but I feel others would act as the OP and feel it was ok. If I lived in a country that was predominatly muslim or hindu or budahist and it was their custom to pray before sporting events, I would respect their belief and culture. When in Rome..... RE the "facination with people who belive in the supernatual". It find it facinating how anyone finds facination in the overwhelming majority. Seems to me it is much more facinating to study the 3% of the 5 billion people who DON'T believe in some sort of supernatural. It really does boil down to respect and tollerance. r e s - p E c t. (kinda hard to write that...really needs to be sung). ~Mike Mike, So you wouldn't bow your head for a Hindu or Muslim prayer at your next local triathlon? |
2010-07-13 9:25 AM in reply to: #2977337 |
Champion 6962 Atlanta, Ga | Subject: RE: Graniteman - Racing and religion mrbbrad - 2010-07-13 9:57 AM Marvarnett - 2010-07-13 9:35 AM Not to hijack your thread, but I would like to pose a question to others. Would you be so quick to say, just bow your head and be silent (etc) if instead of a Christian prayer, a Muslim, Hindu, Wiccan rite was performed? I would be just as 'tolerant' but I feel others would act as the OP and feel it was ok. I'm jumping on the hijack. When I read the OP, the comment that "I'm not Christian so I just began making my way to the start" stuck out to me. I wondered what if it was a non-Christian prayer? Would he have stayed? I would have. I agree. It wouldn't bother me what 'type' of prayer it was. I would do it out of respect for the RD as it's 'their' show. |
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