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2010-10-24 4:37 PM in reply to: #3168970 |
Subject: RE: “I could do an Ironman, no training.” As a previous poster mentions...I'm not overly impressed with his finish. I'm impressed that he raised thousands of dollars for charity. He's been an endurance athlete for most of his young life. Playing soccer and running marathons. Assuming he qualified for NYC, and knowing he's a pro soccer player tells us he is an "elite" endurance athlete. So a 15:30 IM finish is worthy of note for him...but it's not earth shattering. As for soccer players being the best athletes...and proving it by doing IM...that's misleading. IM is an endurance event sort of like soccer is. I'd love to see him do the decathlon which takes much more explosion, speed, and strength. In which case I'd bet money that most pro NFL players would whoop him in those events. Edited by tri808 2010-10-24 4:37 PM |
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2010-10-24 4:46 PM in reply to: #3169349 |
Extreme Veteran 612 Chicago-ish | Subject: RE: “I could do an Ironman, no training.” sand101 - 2010-10-24 4:14 PM thndrcloud - 2010-10-24 1:52 PM So what? All he did was finish a race so far back in the pack that the winners had enough time to have caught a flight and be halfway home by the time he crossed the finish line. I'm a MOP sprinter and I'll bet any of you that I could play an entire soccer game with a competitive team. Well, of course you could play, technically. A soccer game involves running 5-6 miles or so and kicking a ball. Anyone in this forum could "complete" a game. At the end of the game your competitive teammates probably won't want you coming back, though, as you would undoubtedly be the most ineffective player on the field. That's exactly my point. I have the endurance and fitness to do it, just not the specific training to do it well. If Ironman was a team sport and he was playing with the elites he wouldn't be invited back either. |
2010-10-24 4:57 PM in reply to: #3168970 |
Extreme Veteran 340 | Subject: RE: “I could do an Ironman, no training.” Just an observation.... The guy was obviously very fit but he did the bike in over 8 hours (13mph +/-) and the 26.2 in 5:20 (12 m/m?)....so if the conspiracy theory that he was training for this were true, wouldn't you think he'd have ridden a bike a little bit? It's clear to me he over acheived on the swim, the bike wrecked him, but he still walk/ran a marathon. I believe 100% that he took this on 3 weeks ago with no plan to do it in place. Like many have said, he is an elite, or close to elite athlete by any measure....what's so hard to "Buy" here? |
2010-10-24 5:03 PM in reply to: #3169257 |
Veteran 693 Indianapolis | Subject: RE: “I could do an Ironman, no training.” If the guy knew how to swim he could 50/50 freestyle and breast stroke it and be pretty much expected to come in at 1.5-2hrs. I believe him 100% that he was a soccer player with no specific training. The guy is athletic and probably has the right body type. 15-17 hrs should really be expected. It's just not that big of a deal. Think about it, 17 hrs is a really, really long time. Even with a 2hr swim he could tool around on the bike with a basket on it for 7+ hrs and then pretty much walk the entire marathon. If the guy was right off the couch that is one thing but a person in athletic shape and at the least the ability to swim should be able to complete an IM. Edited by jamiej 2010-10-24 5:06 PM |
2010-10-24 5:32 PM in reply to: #3169398 |
Champion 10154 Alabama | Subject: RE: “I could do an Ironman, no training.” jamiej - 2010-10-24 5:03 PM If the guy knew how to swim he could 50/50 freestyle and breast stroke it and be pretty much expected to come in at 1.5-2hrs. I believe him 100% that he was a soccer player with no specific training. The guy is athletic and probably has the right body type. 15-17 hrs should really be expected. It's just not that big of a deal. Think about it, 17 hrs is a really, really long time. Even with a 2hr swim he could tool around on the bike with a basket on it for 7+ hrs and then pretty much walk the entire marathon. If the guy was right off the couch that is one thing but a person in athletic shape and at the least the ability to swim should be able to complete an IM. The same thought crossed my mind. In my younger years . . . on my worst hung-over, couch potato day, if you threw me overboard 2.4 mile off shore, w/i 2 hrs I'd be back at the beach sipping a cool one. So I don't think it is any great feat for an athlete to swim 2.4 miles in 90 minutes. I think an IM is only as difficult as one makes it in their mind. It really comes down to the aerobic and muscular fitness to 'keep going' all day long. ~Mike |
2010-10-24 6:03 PM in reply to: #3168970 |
Expert 2555 Colorado Springs, Colorado | Subject: RE: “I could do an Ironman, no training.” Nice that he was able to back up his claim. He said he could do it with no training, and he did. He never claimed he had no experience in any of the events, just that he had never trained the swim and bike for more than an hour at some point in his life. Although it's not something I would want to do, I think I could finish an iron distance race a month from now and I haven't swam in over a year or ridden my bike in a few months. I wouldn't even be surprised if I could beat this guy's time too - and I'm 30 years older. I don't think this is a huge challenge for a person who is reasonably fit and decently competent in all the events. I think there are plenty of people on this forum who could finish an IM with very minimal training. There are athletes from sports with no connection who may be able to do it as well. I wouldn't bet against Bode Miller the skier for example. |
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2010-10-24 6:26 PM in reply to: #3168970 |
Regular 130 | Subject: RE: “I could do an Ironman, no training.” If you do not go out too hard in the swim and just relax with a wetsuit on then the swim is not that bad. I swam for a month and half this summer and did a 70.3 (July and had my shoulder dislocated in the first 200meters of the swim and finished in 50 minutes without my right arm. Then i had 10 days to swim for a my first IM Sept 11 and had a 1:33 with a shoulder issue still. Most people just go out too quick in the swim and gas themselves. It is the bike that hurts people that are not ready for it. |
2010-10-24 6:28 PM in reply to: #3168970 |
Expert 1158 Ocala, Florida | Subject: RE: “I could do an Ironman, no training.” You don't have to qualify for the NYC Marathon....it's a lottery. |
2010-10-24 6:35 PM in reply to: #3169489 |
Subject: RE: “I could do an Ironman, no training.” xmann1102 - 2010-10-24 1:28 PM You don't have to qualify for the NYC Marathon....it's a lottery. It's only a lottery for us average folks. If you're wicked fast...there is guaranteed entry. http://www.ingnycmarathon.org/entrantinfo/guaranteed_entry.htm |
2010-10-24 6:47 PM in reply to: #3168970 |
Master 1826 | Subject: RE: “I could do an Ironman, no training.” For those dismissive of the swim.. When I started tri's day 1 at the pool, I said do I want to do a sprint or an oly .. jumped in swam 1000m straight and decided on an oly .. no previous swim team, not special training.. just grew up around the water.. still to this day.. no swim training and I can jump in and swim 1.2 miles or more at 2:00/100m .. it is not anything special, and completely plausible to do 2.4 in 1:30ish with no training |
2010-10-24 7:14 PM in reply to: #3168970 |
Champion 8766 Evergreen, Colorado | Subject: RE: “I could do an Ironman, no training.” Some people just have talent. There are those folks in the world that can just go out and "DO IT" and be fine. It happens. Now, for the rest of the mortals, we should train. I clicked on a few of his other blogs and this one made laugh pretty hard...like, tears coming out of my eyes laughing. http://briankuritzky.wordpress.com/2010/10/22/the-difference-between-training-and-not-training/ |
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2010-10-24 7:14 PM in reply to: #3169455 |
Extreme Veteran 340 | Subject: RE: “I could do an Ironman, no training.” Donskiman - 2010-10-24 5:03 PM Nice that he was able to back up his claim. He said he could do it with no training, and he did. He never claimed he had no experience in any of the events, just that he had never trained the swim and bike for more than an hour at some point in his life. Although it's not something I would want to do, I think I could finish an iron distance race a month from now and I haven't swam in over a year or ridden my bike in a few months. I wouldn't even be surprised if I could beat this guy's time too - and I'm 30 years older. I don't think this is a huge challenge for a person who is reasonably fit and decently competent in all the events. I think there are plenty of people on this forum who could finish an IM with very minimal training. There are athletes from sports with no connection who may be able to do it as well. I wouldn't bet against Bode Miller the skier for example. Don, when you post I listen, and the above is why. I agree with all of your points, but the best part is your first sentence. It is very refreshing to see somebody back up their talk....very refreshing indeed. |
2010-10-24 7:15 PM in reply to: #3169510 |
Master 2426 Central Indiana | Subject: RE: “I could do an Ironman, no training.” FeltonR.Nubbinsworth - 2010-10-24 7:47 PM For those dismissive of the swim.. When I started tri's day 1 at the pool, I said do I want to do a sprint or an oly .. jumped in swam 1000m straight and decided on an oly .. no previous swim team, not special training.. just grew up around the water.. still to this day.. no swim training and I can jump in and swim 1.2 miles or more at 2:00/100m .. it is not anything special, and completely plausible to do 2.4 in 1:30ish with no training Agree that lots of people swim decently with no formal instruction or competitive experience. I don't think of skilled self-taught (or self-coached) athletes as "untrained". One definition of training is "to make prepared as by exercise..." (Webster's Collegiate Dictionary), so relevant exercise in this sense can be considered "training". Edited by Oldteen 2010-10-24 7:41 PM |
2010-10-24 7:18 PM in reply to: #3168970 |
92 | Subject: RE: “I could do an Ironman, no training.” kudos... really can't understand the snarky comments. |
2010-10-24 7:41 PM in reply to: #3169531 |
Champion 19812 MA | Subject: RE: “I could do an Ironman, no training.” jldicarlo - 2010-10-24 8:14 PM Some people just have talent. There are those folks in the world that can just go out and "DO IT" and be fine. It happens. Now, for the rest of the mortals, we should train. I clicked on a few of his other blogs and this one made laugh pretty hard...like, tears coming out of my eyes laughing. http://briankuritzky.wordpress.com/2010/10/22/the-difference-between-training-and-not-training/ Very good post.... |
2010-10-24 7:51 PM in reply to: #3169537 |
Champion 8936 | Subject: RE: “I could do an Ironman, no training.” trailsnail - 2010-10-24 7:18 PM kudos... really can't understand the snarky comments. Haven't seen a single snarky comment. Just several people skeptical of his claims. I've even admitted that I very likely could be wrong. |
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2010-10-24 7:53 PM in reply to: #3169123 |
Sneaky Slow 8694 Herndon, VA, | Subject: RE: “I could do an Ironman, no training.” xmann1102 - 2010-10-24 11:29 AM My bad, what was i thinking? 2X is definitely more than enough training. And the D1 soccer is really impressive too. Snarky. Actually, there are maybe 3 snarky comments, all by the same person. Edited by tealeaf 2010-10-24 7:54 PM |
2010-10-24 8:15 PM in reply to: #3168970 |
Extreme Veteran 833 Strong Beach, CA | Subject: RE: “I could do an Ironman, no training.” yeah....lol at all the hate towards this guy. Reading between the lines and all I see is a bunch of jealousy. Believe it or not, there are some people that just have natural abilities in the water. An efficient stroke comes easy to them, and if they have a good fitness base, a 2.4 mile w=swim in 1:30 is a walk in the park. |
2010-10-24 8:20 PM in reply to: #3168970 |
Pro 4277 Parker, CO | Subject: RE: “I could do an Ironman, no training.” obviously this guy has some swim experience. so getting out of the water in 90-minutes he was good to go for the bike and walk. he's a professional athlete...I'm not all that impressed of his finish. great that he raised money though for charity. |
2010-10-24 9:06 PM in reply to: #3168970 |
Regular 107 Yukon | Subject: RE: “I could do an Ironman, no training.” I can see someone doing it that was a athlete in his prime. Especially a soccer player that spends a considerable amount of time running and conditioning in practice. I swam once before my first Olympic, then due to health issues only got to swim 3 times before Ironman Branson and Austin which I swam both in 39-41 minutes. Nothing heroic, but I could go a long time at that pace without issue. If he has already ran a Marathon he's pretty good to go. Marathon to me is the hardest part just cause the risk of injury. I am impressed by someone that would do it for a good cause. I am sure he was hurting, but still he's a professional athlete that knows how to push himself. |
2010-10-24 9:14 PM in reply to: #3168970 |
New user 104 | Subject: RE: “I could do an Ironman, no training.” That was my first IM distance race so I cannot compare it to any other course but while talking to the other racers beforehand, there were quite a few very experienced guys there who had done Kona and still said this course was one of the most difficult out there. The hills on the bike were one thing but the hills on the run seemed even more brutal. I trained like hell for this thing and only beat that guy by an hour. |
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2010-10-24 9:36 PM in reply to: #3168970 |
Pro 5361 | Subject: RE: “I could do an Ironman, no training.” Sounds like a terrific trade. Save 500 hours of training, and it only costs you an hour of additional race time. |
2010-10-24 11:17 PM in reply to: #3169684 |
Melon Presser 52116 | Subject: RE: “I could do an Ironman, no training.” morey000 - 2010-10-25 10:36 AM Sounds like a terrific trade. Save 500 hours of training, and it only costs you an hour of additional race time. Heh. People like me should NOT read things like that; it gets me thinking. Anyhow, he likely exceeds 500 hours of training in one soccer season. |
2010-10-24 11:17 PM in reply to: #3169684 |
Melon Presser 52116 | Subject: RE: “I could do an Ironman, no training.” morey000 - 2010-10-25 10:36 AM Sounds like a terrific trade. Save 500 hours of training, and it only costs you an hour of additional race time. Heh. People like me should NOT read things like that; it gets me thinking. Anyhow, he likely exceeds 500 hours of training in one soccer season. |
2010-10-25 12:05 AM in reply to: #3169564 |
Extreme Veteran 340 | Subject: RE: “I could do an Ironman, no training.” tealeaf - 2010-10-24 6:53 PM xmann1102 - 2010-10-24 11:29 AM My bad, what was i thinking? 2X is definitely more than enough training. And the D1 soccer is really impressive too. Snarky. Actually, there are maybe 3 snarky comments, all by the same person. I read the tealeaves and agree. All the snarky comments came from this dude. Because if he can't do it....then....you know..... NOBODY CAN! the above post is snarky on purpose. |
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