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morey000 - 2010-10-24 9:36 PM Sounds like a terrific trade.
Save 500 hours of training, and it only costs you an hour of additional race time. 


We should have a "no-training-race."

Bunch of people...no one trains...fastest time gets bragging rights.


2010-10-25 12:10 AM
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UWMadTri - 2010-10-24 10:07 PM
We should have a "no-training-race."

Bunch of people...no one trains...fastest time gets bragging rights.


Ha!. Except I know this group.  Everyone would cheat (and train, but just not log it). 
2010-10-25 6:46 AM
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Worth mentioning that on top of everything else this guy had to work out, he needed to figure out how the nutrition game is played. GFT is no joke and if the weather yesterday was anything like what's typical(awful heat/humidity), he needed to keep from blowing up by taking in calories much earlier than when you start to realize you're starting to bonk. Cramps, etc. have laid low some pretty experienced racers..

Allowing that there may be more to the guy's prep than he let on, I'm still impressed.
2010-10-25 8:04 AM
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Having never done an IM I guess I am more impressed by some.  In thinking about it, I realize that my comfort zone paces are probably decent enough for a similar time.  The thing that impresses me though is that there is still a point where you have to adapt to the different stresses that a different exercise introduces. 

I thought he would struggle with the swim and with a 1:30, it appears he was swimming 2 min /100's?  If he knew how to swim well, his cardio could have kept him at a nice and easy pace like that.  My only comment is that his arms and lats are probably sore as heck today.

The bike... the guy had to have some sort of fitting otherwise he could have had all sorts of issues / pains.  You know his butt has to be killing him and he may still have a bad case of the numb nutz.  Still, was this course fairly flat?  That could change things a bit.  His pace here was really slow so I find it realistic.

The run is where I think the guy would have been most comfortable.  I don't think with the bike pace, he would have had much issue with the run.  His time wasn't even Oprah marathon fast so it seem very realistic as well. 

My conclusion is that 16hrs is not fast and we know this guy had great cardio.  If he knew enough to have decent swim technique and he didn't freak out in an OWS, I guess there isn't much that sounds crazy about it once you break it down.  Like others said, good for him for using the challenge for a good cause.  He's a much better man than the guy who works with JBrasher (remember the swim a mile challenge thread.Laughing

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2010-10-25 8:25 AM
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I think we also have to realize the benefit of ignorance.  Those of us that hear about and talk about 140.6 races on a regular basis probably build it up to be more difficult than it is.  We respect the distance and put in the work to make it achievable.  This guy probably didn't realize he "should have" been intimidated by the distance.  That's a big mental hurdle that he didn't have to face. 

Bottom line, h?e's in top aerobic shape, so even without the specificity, he was able to push through.  Good for him???!
2010-10-25 9:02 AM
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AndrewMT - 2010-10-25 8:25 AM I think we also have to realize the benefit of ignorance.  Those of us that hear about and talk about 140.6 races on a regular basis probably build it up to be more difficult than it is.  We respect the distance and put in the work to make it achievable.  This guy probably didn't realize he "should have" been intimidated by the distance.  That's a big mental hurdle that he didn't have to face. 

Bottom line, h?e's in top aerobic shape, so even without the specificity, he was able to push through.  Good for him???!


You make a good point.  My 2nd IM was much 'easier' as I was facing a known entity! 

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2010-10-25 9:11 AM
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2010-10-25 9:29 AM
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I'm a MOP sprinter and I'll bet any of you that I could play an entire soccer game with a competitive team. 


Frankly, I think it would be "easier" (more feasible, I guess, is a better term) to walk out and do an IM than it would be to try and play a full game of soccer with a competitive team.

The IM is just going to take putting one foot in front of the other for 17 hours (give or take). It's not something that most able-bodied people CAN'T do, if they needed to.

Soccer, OTOH, takes a level of explosive speed plus endurance, agility, and skill that requires training for most folks.
2010-10-25 9:36 AM
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Just read his update -- and in case you were wondering, he's reading this thread!

http://briankuritzky.wordpress.com/2010/10/25/not-probable-but-possible/

ETA:  I don't think it is very smart -- particularly given the dangers of the swim for the unprepared or even the prepared on the wrong day, cf Fran Crippen -- but I am impressed and he proved his point regarding his general fitness and raised money for a good cause to boot.  Good on him.   My question is, will he put in the sport-specific training and see what he can really do?

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Good thing it was for a good cause, as he totally suckered people. :p Would it be UNCOMFORTABLE? Sure. Is it possible? 100%. Most able bodied folks could do it.
2010-10-25 9:41 AM
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trigal38 - 2010-10-25 10:11 AM Check out his updated blog about the race:

http://briankuritzky.wordpress.com/2010/10/25/not-probable-but-possible/







LOL... that is awesome!


2010-10-25 9:42 AM
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mmrocker13 - 2010-10-25 10:36 AM Good thing it was for a good cause, as he totally suckered people. :p Would it be UNCOMFORTABLE? Sure. Is it possible? 100%. Most able bodied folks could do it.


I guess it depends on your definition of able bodied.  I trained hard for a sprint, but I still couldn't get past the 2.4 swim, even if I could phone in the rest (and be in enormous pain afterward).  But, I am also fat and not in otherwise peak cardiovascular shape.  
2010-10-25 9:49 AM
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mmrocker13 - 2010-10-25 9:36 AM Good thing it was for a good cause, as he totally suckered people. :p Would it be UNCOMFORTABLE? Sure. Is it possible? 100%. Most able bodied folks could do it.


I would caveat that with saying able bodied and with a modicum of comfort in the water.  The swim and bike don't require special skills, but to stay afloat and moving forward in the water for 2.4 miles with 2000+ people around you takes more than just being able bodied. 
2010-10-25 10:03 AM
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If it were a wetsuit swim, I don't even think that'd be necessary. Start in the very, very back, off to the side.

Mind you, I wouldn't WANT someone in the water w/out a suit who didn't have a small amount of comfort.

Really, though, I'm just talking about physically possible...not the mental quirks that may cause someone to bottom out.
2010-10-25 10:04 AM
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Finally, we have proof that the key to the swim is no flip turns!
2010-10-25 10:16 AM
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dinabean - 2010-10-25 10:36 AM Just read his update -- and in case you were wondering, he's reading this thread!

http://briankuritzky.wordpress.com/2010/10/25/not-probable-but-possible/

ETA:  I don't think it is very smart -- particularly given the dangers of the swim for the unprepared or even the prepared on the wrong day, cf Fran Crippen -- but I am impressed and he proved his point regarding his general fitness and raised money for a good cause to boot.  Good on him.   My question is, will he put in the sport-specific training and see what he can really do?


He's reading the thread because I left him a blog comment elsewhere and gave him a link to it.  Cool 


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tealeaf - 2010-10-25 11:16 PM
dinabean - 2010-10-25 10:36 AM Just read his update -- and in case you were wondering, he's reading this thread!

http://briankuritzky.wordpress.com/2010/10/25/not-probable-but-possible/

ETA:  I don't think it is very smart -- particularly given the dangers of the swim for the unprepared or even the prepared on the wrong day, cf Fran Crippen -- but I am impressed and he proved his point regarding his general fitness and raised money for a good cause to boot.  Good on him.   My question is, will he put in the sport-specific training and see what he can really do?


He's reading the thread because I left him a blog comment elsewhere and gave him a link to it.  Cool 


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2010-10-25 10:29 AM
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I didnt read through this whole thing, but i see a lot of people doubting the swim of this guy saying it's not possible without him training. What does everyone consider proper swim training for this?

I guess i think this comes from the fact that most people in the US dont know how to swim, but it's not hard folks.

I see alot are saying you need some type of training etc. or its not possible.

So what do you guys think this sort of training is?

Now I am in no means a great swimmer around 2:00-2:15 per 100. But what training have I had.

Well I took swimming lessons when I was 5-12 years old and was on a small town (iowa) summer time swim team up to age 15, longest event was 100 free, and did a couple tri's when i was 16 with 500m swims but i prepared for that all myself. so does this count as special swim training if i then don't swim for 15 years, but then i can jump in the pool 15 years later when i decide to get back into doinf tri's and I swim 1.2 miles in 50 minutes with little to no push off and no breaks on my 3rd workout getting back into it?

now i know thats not the same as the 2.4 distance, or doing it in open water, but i felt like i could go for as long as i want. I guess it's just a part of being comfortable in the water.

ohh i also decided one week before a race to swim as a team member for a local sprint this summer, this was when i did the 1.2 workout. for the race i did the 500 meter ows in 10:30 and this was without having done an ows since i was 16 years old, (15 yrs ago)

So do my swimming lesson i had when i was 5-12 years old count for training when i take a 15 year break and can jump in the water and still swim comfortably.

Or maybe the people doubting his swim, just didn't learn to swim until the were adults, or after they decided to start tri's,

I guess being comfortable in the water is the main key, to me swimming at my 2:15 pace is comparable to walking, i fell like i could go forever,

now maybe this guy took swimming lessons when he was a kid and doesnt have the fear of water it seems alot of people have on this forum.
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mmrocker13 - 2010-10-25 10:36 AM Good thing it was for a good cause, as he totally suckered people. :p Would it be UNCOMFORTABLE? Sure. Is it possible? 100%. Most able bodied folks could do it.


I guess it depends on your definition of able bodied.  I trained hard for a sprint, but I still couldn't get past the 2.4 swim, even if I could phone in the rest (and be in enormous pain afterward).  But, I am also fat and not in otherwise peak cardiovascular shape.  


I said this earlier in the thread (not re. you specifically) but I bet if your kid's life depended on it, you could do it. I would bet all the money I've got on this. Also, you are one tough chickie.

Okay, that's not a lot of money, but it's all I got.
2010-10-25 10:35 AM
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...but can he sing and dance?



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I enjoyed this story and thread and I think congratulations are in due because he clearly accomplished a great thing on a short amount of time.

There is a lot of defensiveness in the threads about our sport and people feeling the need to defend themselves. I feel that a bit and so I make this proclimation about my choice on how to race triathlon.

I make a public proclamation to race as prepared as I can be.

I don't want to live with a "could I have done less" mentality.

There will be people who can do the distance and do if faster than me with "less" than I put into it but hopefully I will still be in this sport 40 years from now. I can only do that with a lot of luck and making sure I care for my body rather than abuse it on race day by not preparing.

There, I feel better for some reason.


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Rogillio - 2010-10-25 10:35 AM ...but can he sing and dance?





Now those definitely require training!
2010-10-25 10:53 AM
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AndrewMT - 2010-10-25 5:48 AM
Rogillio - 2010-10-25 10:35 AM ...but can he sing and dance?





Now those definitely require training!


wanna bet?
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tri808 - 2010-10-25 10:53 AM
AndrewMT - 2010-10-25 5:48 AM
Rogillio - 2010-10-25 10:35 AM ...but can he sing and dance?





Now those definitely require training!


wanna bet?


As long as I don't have to be the judge!
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cstoulil - 2010-10-25 8:29 AM I didnt read through this whole thing, but i see a lot of people doubting the swim of this guy saying it's not possible without him training. What does everyone consider proper swim training for this?

I guess i think this comes from the fact that most people in the US dont know how to swim, but it's not hard folks.

I see alot are saying you need some type of training etc. or its not possible.

So what do you guys think this sort of training is?

Now I am in no means a great swimmer around 2:00-2:15 per 100. But what training have I had.

Well I took swimming lessons when I was 5-12 years old and was on a small town (iowa) summer time swim team up to age 15, longest event was 100 free, and did a couple tri's when i was 16 with 500m swims but i prepared for that all myself. so does this count as special swim training if i then don't swim for 15 years, but then i can jump in the pool 15 years later when i decide to get back into doinf tri's and I swim 1.2 miles in 50 minutes with little to no push off and no breaks on my 3rd workout getting back into it?

now i know thats not the same as the 2.4 distance, or doing it in open water, but i felt like i could go for as long as i want. I guess it's just a part of being comfortable in the water.

ohh i also decided one week before a race to swim as a team member for a local sprint this summer, this was when i did the 1.2 workout. for the race i did the 500 meter ows in 10:30 and this was without having done an ows since i was 16 years old, (15 yrs ago)

So do my swimming lesson i had when i was 5-12 years old count for training when i take a 15 year break and can jump in the water and still swim comfortably.

Or maybe the people doubting his swim, just didn't learn to swim until the were adults, or after they decided to start tri's,

I guess being comfortable in the water is the main key, to me swimming at my 2:15 pace is comparable to walking, i fell like i could go forever,

now maybe this guy took swimming lessons when he was a kid and doesnt have the fear of water it seems alot of people have on this forum.


Its not that I doubt that he didn't train the swim, but I think he was a decent swimmer at some point in his life.  A 2:00/100 isn't world beater times but you're not going to do that doggy paddling.  He probably has decent crawl technique (again, not great, but decent). 
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