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 2011-07-13 1:42 PM |
Regular  106  Annapolis |  Subject: Running - Dreadmill vs. OutsideI prefer to run outside, as it passes the time, but with the heat index in Maryland giving us 100+ it's too HOT!!! Yesterday I knocked out my running time (based on the 13wk plan) on the dreadmill (LOVE this term BTW) and a friend at work said when you run on the 'mill you should double your distance to get the same workout at running outside. Is this true? I know that on the 'mill because it carries your legs back you're exerting less, but is it 1/2 less? The real question, is if I'm training on a treadmill should I increase my time. Thanks, I'm new to this, loving it, but just want to make sure I get enough training time in. |
| 2011-07-13 1:45 PM in reply to: #3594839 |
Runner | Subject: RE: Running - Dreadmill vs. Outside No, what your friend told you is not true. You do not need to increase your time. Running is running is running, doesn't matter if it was on a road, a trail, or a treadmill. |
| 2011-07-13 1:48 PM in reply to: #3594839 |
| Lafayette, CO | Subject: RE: Running - Dreadmill vs. Outside The only thing I've heard is adding a 1% grade on the treadmill but never that you need to double your time. Edited by COSkiGirl 2011-07-13 2:02 PM |
 2011-07-13 1:51 PM in reply to: #3594839 |
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| 2011-07-13 1:52 PM in reply to: #3594839 |
| Subject: RE: Running - Dreadmill vs. Outside Agree with adding 1% of incline. And in my opinion, you can develop a better "kick" running outdoors so I prefer to do my speed work outside. |
| 2011-07-13 2:00 PM in reply to: #3594866 |
Champion 8766     Evergreen, Colorado | Subject: RE: Running - Dreadmill vs. Outside COSkiGirl - 2011-07-13 1:48 PM The only think I've heard is adding a 1% grade on the treadmill but never that you need to double your time. ^^^I've also used this advice to better mimic outdoor running. |
| 2011-07-13 2:02 PM in reply to: #3594839 |
| Extreme Veteran 452 GA | Subject: RE: Running - Dreadmill vs. Outside treadmill and road running aren't exactly the same. but similar. i wouldn't get too wrapped up in equating the two. you can always just go by time and exertion level rather than distance. its funny when people say running on the treadmill is so much easier than running outside. that's probably b/c they never use the incline buttons. that being said, it is beneficial to run outside, and races aren't usually done on treadmills, so get outside when you can! |
| 2011-07-13 2:33 PM in reply to: #3594839 |
| Extreme Veteran 555 Carrollton, TX | Subject: RE: Running - Dreadmill vs. Outside I do 50% of my weekly mileage on the treadmill and have not had a problem with being under prepared for races. I set my incline to 2%. |
| 2011-07-13 2:34 PM in reply to: #3594839 |
| Member 45 Morris County, NJ | Subject: RE: Running - Dreadmill vs. Outside Just my .02 here, I ran 90% of my miles outside when training for the 2008 NYC Marathon and finished in 3:47. Did 90% of my training on the treadmill in 2009 with no real change in total mileage and ran a 3:36. I think the treadmill is beneficial if used correctly. I always have at least a 1% incline but lately I've been bumping that up to 2% since 1% feels like nothing after doing it for a year. The good thing is even with the 1% increase my times have stayed the same. Also find it helpful for interval training. |
| 2011-07-13 3:29 PM in reply to: #3594839 |
| Master 3888 Overland Park, KS | Subject: RE: Running - Dreadmill vs. Outside x whatever on the treadmill. My workouts are always good and no better way to make sure you run at X:XX pace and keep that heart rate up. I typically set incline to 1%, sometimes 1.5%. I don't add distance but typically run at a faster pace than outdoors. |
| 2011-07-13 3:31 PM in reply to: #3594839 |
| Veteran 245 | Subject: RE: Running - Dreadmill vs. Outside I do most if not all my speed work on the dreadmill and for the days i cannot get to the great outdoors for a run...I find I have to add 2% incline. If I run no incline and my normal pace within Z2( 5:50/km ) my HR will not get into Z2, adding the 2% incline gets close to an outdoor run from a HRZ/ RPE perspective. I dont add time or distance...just run the work out as planned. |
| 2011-07-13 3:42 PM in reply to: #3594839 |
| Extreme Veteran 374 Southeast Michigan | Subject: RE: Running - Dreadmill vs. Outside I've also found the 1% incline to better mimic outside riding. The thing I find with the treadmill is I tend to run with a bit shorter stride but a little higher cadence than outside. So my heartrate gets up a bit more but my legs aren't quite as worn out at the end. I also dont really push the pace on the treadmill like I might at times outside. I also avoid the threadmill unless there is absolutely no way I can get outside for the run. |
| 2011-07-13 4:20 PM in reply to: #3594839 |
| Expert 1644 Oklahoma | Subject: RE: Running - Dreadmill vs. Outside I try to avoid the dreadmill, but when I do run on it I always set it at a 1% incline. |
| 2011-07-13 4:25 PM in reply to: #3594839 |
| Extreme Veteran 759 Villanova | Subject: RE: Running - Dreadmill vs. Outside I don't mind the treadmill at all. I'm a cold weather runner, so the heat drives me inside on the 'mill. I don't mind running in cold/rain etc. +1 on the incline. I like mixing in treadmill work because its easier on my joints, and at my gym I can always watch a bank of TV's that has a basketball/hockey/baseball game on etc. To each their own, but there's no way that you need to DOUBLE your distance. that's crazy talk. |
| 2011-07-13 6:13 PM in reply to: #3594839 |
| Extreme Veteran 589 Gig Harbor | Subject: RE: Running - Dreadmill vs. Outside I am loving the treadmill right now - my allergies are driving me crazy! |
| 2011-07-13 8:39 PM in reply to: #3594839 |
| Master 1367 Dirt Road | Subject: RE: Running - Dreadmill vs. Outside What's a treadmill? |
| 2011-07-14 7:32 AM in reply to: #3594839 |
| New user 49 | Subject: RE: Running - Dreadmill vs. Outside Trained almost exclusively on a treadmill for the Cleveland marathon (my first) and ran a 3:04.25. I run at 2% incline. Saved my joints from pounding 40+ miles per week on the pavement.
Kevin |
| 2011-07-14 8:01 AM in reply to: #3594839 |
| Regular 164 Connecticut | Subject: RE: Running - Dreadmill vs. Outside I do about half my running outside/half on the TM. I do longer runs outside and speed intervals on the TM. I don't want to pound out 7+ miles on the TM (how boring) BUT I do find it easier to do intervals on the TM. I find doing both is helping me with my running. I do 1% incline on the TM... but after reading everyone's posts - I think I am going to ramp it up to 1.5% or 2%. |
| 2011-07-14 8:47 AM in reply to: #3594839 |
| Member 161 | Subject: RE: Running - Dreadmill vs. Outside Time and effort are what matter. 1% incline is supposed to mimic a slight headwind, or so I've heard. It is best to go by time and effort on a treadmill, don't use distance, almost all treadmills move out of calibration and can't be trusted. One advantage of the treadmill is that you have control of incline so you can mimic a course if you have a good idea of what it is like. If you dreadmill at home use as many fans as possible to keep the air moving. Detractors also say that the moving surface makes it easier to run. Again if you go by effort, it doesn't matter if the surface is moving or not. You can also tell them "if it makes it easy, you get on there and walk and let me set the speed, the moving surface should make it easy right!" |
| 2011-07-14 10:58 AM in reply to: #3594849 |
| Veteran 261 Fort Worth, Texas | Subject: RE: Running - Dreadmill vs. Outside Scout7 - 2011-07-12 2:45 PM No, what your friend told you is not true. You do not need to increase your time. Running is running is running, doesn't matter if it was on a road, a trail, or a treadmill. Every time this comes up I always just laugh. Me and Scout7 seem to be the only people that don't over think this issue. Running is running period. Yes a 1% incline will mimic a headwind, but what about a side wind or tail wind. I do 100% of my runs on the treadmill. I know it is hard to believe, but I run the same pace or faster in a race. Outside I have to deal with dogs, cars, red lights, sprinklers, curbs, glass. Outside I can just slow down and not really know it. On the treadmill I have to reach up and hit the button to slow down. Inside I can just run, zone out and run. Running outside is great for some people. Running inside is great for other people. But always remember, running is running. |
| 2011-07-14 11:24 AM in reply to: #3596328 |
| Extreme Veteran 759 Villanova | Subject: RE: Running - Dreadmill vs. Outside bdye101 - 2011-07-14 10:58 AM Scout7 - 2011-07-12 2:45 PM No, what your friend told you is not true. You do not need to increase your time. Running is running is running, doesn't matter if it was on a road, a trail, or a treadmill. Every time this comes up I always just laugh. Me and Scout7 seem to be the only people that don't over think this issue. Running is running period. Yes a 1% incline will mimic a headwind, but what about a side wind or tail wind. I do 100% of my runs on the treadmill. I know it is hard to believe, but I run the same pace or faster in a race. Outside I have to deal with dogs, cars, red lights, sprinklers, curbs, glass. Outside I can just slow down and not really know it. On the treadmill I have to reach up and hit the button to slow down. Inside I can just run, zone out and run. Running outside is great for some people. Running inside is great for other people. But always remember, running is running. +1000 .... killjoy |
| 2011-07-14 11:32 AM in reply to: #3594849 |
| Iron Donkey 38643 , Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Running - Dreadmill vs. Outside Scout7 - 2011-07-13 1:45 PM No, what your friend told you is not true. You do not need to increase your time. Running is running is running, doesn't matter if it was on a road, a trail, or a treadmill. Their friend probably thought that since the dreadmill doesn't have hills, there's a 2:1 ratio needed of mileage. |
| 2011-07-14 11:50 AM in reply to: #3594839 |
| Member 33 | Subject: RE: Running - Dreadmill vs. Outside I use the "dreadmill" as a tempo run or speed interval workouts. The nice thing about the "dreadmill" is that the speed stays constant, so you can practice speed work without cheating like you can outdoors where your perceived effort can vary. |
| 2011-07-14 5:18 PM in reply to: #3594839 |
| Florida | Subject: RE: Running - Dreadmill vs. Outside I have never used a treadmill in my life. It looks sooooo boring I'm not sure I can stand it. But the heat and humidity of Florida is making running outside very difficult. Y'all have convinced me to try it (love the "dreadmill" term BTW). Now, how do I work the thing? |
| 2011-07-14 5:53 PM in reply to: #3594839 |
| Veteran 138 | Subject: RE: Running - Dreadmill vs. Outside I try to use the TM for interval type workouts and in the winter when the wind is just too bad to take (the cold, I can handle, but not the the cold + wind). That said, after running mostly outside for a few weeks in the spring, I find the TM much harder than outside and my pace is always slower on the TM for the same effort. I think it just feels easier to give a harder effort outside, probably due to more interesting surroundings, cooling breeze, the desire to get home for ice cream, etc. |
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