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2011-08-26 2:00 PM

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Subject: Help Picking a N.East 70.3 in early 2012 (longish)

I'm looking to do a half distance race in early 2012 (May-June) and I'm getting race-day jitters waaaay too early.  By the way, keep this between you me and the internet since I have no intention to tell my wife or anyone I know in real life till maybe after the raceWink.  I live about 60 miles north of NYC and want to keep it kind of local.  Here are the races I was considering:

  1. Rev3 Quassy - The big benefit is it is an hour away so i can do the day before setup thing without a hotel and there's an amusement park there so my wife and kiddies could meet me without standing in the sun for ~6hrs or so.
  2. Hunter Mountain HITS (not exactly 70.3 but close enough for me) is about 1.5 hrs away so I could still probably not stay over but wouldn't bring the family.
  3. Mooseman NH (5 hr drive)
  4. Eagleman MD (5 hr drive)

My big fear with Quassy is that the race reports talk about how darned hard the bike is.  This would be my first Half and I still need a lot of work on my bike, and swim, and run.  Is this one too hard for a first? I looked at the routes of Quassy and Hunter and I'm not sure if I'm reading these right.  The Hunter route seems to have about as many rated climbs but less total miles climbing.  Here are links to them http://www.mapmytri.com/routes/view/47820522 http://www.mapmytri.com/routes/view/33229770.  Am I just being a chicken? I'd hate to finally drag my kids out just to see me carried off on a stretcher.

Any tips or insight from someone whos done one or more of these (I know Hunter is new).  Thanks

Bill



2011-08-26 2:04 PM
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Try the Patriot 70.3 it was a great race for first timers.  Small field, cheap, flat course.  I loved racing it this year.

http://www.sunmultisportevents.com/Patriot_Triathlon.htm

 

2011-08-26 2:04 PM
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If you think the Rev 3 bike will be "too hard" then the Mooseman bike will likely be "too hard" too.  I would also be weary of doing a first year event.

Having done three of your four choices, I would go with Quassy.  Its a fantastic race and the bike is fine so long as you train and pace yourself correctly. 

2011-08-26 2:08 PM
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2011-08-26 2:10 PM
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2011-08-26 3:23 PM
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I'm always amused when I see people trying to cherry pick HIM and IM races (i.e. the bike or swim is "too hard").  C'mon people, this is supposed to be hard - that's why we do it.  If you want easy, pick a local flat 5k and jog your way through it.  I don't think any of the races presented are towards the extreme of difficulty for what they are.


2011-08-26 3:37 PM
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Subject: RE: Help Picking a N.East 70.3 in early 2012 (longish)
I'd suggest doing Patriot HIM that is in Mid June. It is in SW MA and lots of folks travel from NY to come race. It is inexpensive, smaller (~600 participants), and well run.
2011-08-26 3:43 PM
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Forget Mooseman as a first.  Hard bike and absolutely frigid water can make the bike even harder.  Awesome course though. 

Don't sweat trying to cherry pick a half - though there really is no such thing as an easy HIM and absolutely no such thing as an easy IM.

2011-08-26 9:27 PM
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Patrick E - 2011-08-26 4:23 PM I'm always amused when I see people trying to cherry pick HIM and IM races (i.e. the bike or swim is "too hard").  C'mon people, this is supposed to be hard - that's why we do it.  If you want easy, pick a local flat 5k and jog your way through it.  I don't think any of the races presented are towards the extreme of difficulty for what they are. Now that part is pretty helpful, though not too specific. 
  As for the rest, I'm always amused annoyed when people refer to some broad third party like People when referring to a specific subject (me) and questioning its intestinal fortitude. "Hard" is relative.  I'm sure there is someone out there who thinks IM races are kind of sissy, what with the water/aid stations, when you could conceivably just ride to your death in the desert with a 80lb sack of cement instead of an aero water bottle.  And I know that there are folks who would consider jogging a flat 5k Hard.  I'm somewhere in the middle and accept the fact that endurance races are hard, but they are not all the same and I do lots of things in life that are Hard.  I'm doing this to blend the Hard with the Fun.

Thanks to everyone for the information and the June races that arent listed on big boards yet.  Food for though on my next 5k jog/walk...

2011-08-27 5:38 AM
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bdenehy - 2011-08-26 10:27 PM

Patrick E - 2011-08-26 4:23 PM I'm always amused when I see people trying to cherry pick HIM and IM races (i.e. the bike or swim is "too hard").  C'mon people, this is supposed to be hard - that's why we do it.  If you want easy, pick a local flat 5k and jog your way through it.  I don't think any of the races presented are towards the extreme of difficulty for what they are. Now that part is pretty helpful, though not too specific. 
  As for the rest, I'm always amused annoyed when people refer to some broad third party like People when referring to a specific subject (me) and questioning its intestinal fortitude. "Hard" is relative.  I'm sure there is someone out there who thinks IM races are kind of sissy, what with the water/aid stations, when you could conceivably just ride to your death in the desert with a 80lb sack of cement instead of an aero water bottle.  And I know that there are folks who would consider jogging a flat 5k Hard.  I'm somewhere in the middle and accept the fact that endurance races are hard, but they are not all the same and I do lots of things in life that are Hard.  I'm doing this to blend the Hard with the Fun.

Thanks to everyone for the information and the June races that arent listed on big boards yet.  Food for though on my next 5k jog/walk...

 

I am in the same boat trying to pick a first time HIM in June that blends hard and fun.  The distance is hard enough for me.  Throwing in super cold swims, tour de france climbs, and sufferfest runs don't make it fun (for me). I also am thinking about the same races.  I believe I am going with the Patrtiot Half in Freetown Mass.

And for goodness sake stop cherry picking races.  Just sign up for them randomnly without checking into anything.  What could possibly go wrong!

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2011-08-27 6:39 AM
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2011-08-27 6:58 AM
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Based on what you've said I'd still pick rev3 since it's closest, it's a good event and has the park.  There's nothing jaw dropping that you'd have to get off your bike and walk or anything.  You've been training a bunch too it looks like.  If I were you, I'd head over there one weekend and check out the course in the next month or so while it's still nice out.  You can drive/ride part of the course and check it all out.  Probably worth the effort before making the decision if you are worried about it. 

Also, if it seems too hilly skip it and then take that knowledge and then look up the other courses and compare them all on mapmyride and mapmyrun so you can see the elevation profile.

2011-08-27 9:11 AM
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Subject: RE: Help Picking a N.East 70.3 in early 2012 (longish)
Re: Quassy and other hilly courses, based on your location, I'm guessing you have no shortage of hills to train on... (I spent a little time living/working in Cold Spring, so I know the area a bit), so I wouldn't necessarily let hills scare you off. It's likely a flatter course might result in a faster finish, but I doubt you would have any trouble finishing a hillier course. You have loads of time to train. So, my advice would be to pick the race that suits your schedule best, is most convenient/fun for the family, and/or looks most interesting to you.

Here are a few other possibilities to consider (based on when the races were scheduled in 2011):

Bassman (New Jersey, shore/pine barrens area), early May: http://www.citytri.com/bassman/

Jerseyman (Clinton, NJ), Late May probably 2-3 hours from you: http://paceracing.org/Jerseyman.html

Tupper Lake Tinman (Adirondaks), late June: http://tupper-lake.com/2942/06252011-2011-tupper-lake-tinman-triath...

The only one of these I've personally done is Bassman, which was well run, but small... All of the above races are actually on the smaller side, I think, which is one thing to consider in your choice. Do you prefer a larger race where you're more likely to have other racers around the whole time, or would you be okay in a smaller race where the field gets spread out and you may spend a good bit of time pretty much on your own?




2011-08-28 12:37 PM
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Go with Quassy. It is challenging, but far from impossible. If you are already planning for it now, you have MORE than enough time to train and not just finish, but kill it. 

There is a reason why Quassy has become such a local fan favorite over the last 3 years. Challenging, but awesomely fun race course, great support and super well organized over all. Especially if you are bringing family to spectate and cheer you on, you won't be disappointed.  
2011-08-28 1:38 PM
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I agree with the suggestion to do the Patriot as a good first HIM. Small group, really nice people, nice setting, and flat course.


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Bassman in southern NJ they have a 70.3 in the late spring and fall
2011-08-28 5:47 PM
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KathyG - 2011-08-26 4:37 PM I'd suggest doing Patriot HIM that is in Mid June. It is in SW MA and lots of folks travel from NY to come race. It is inexpensive, smaller (~600 participants), and well run.

I think you mean SOUTH EAST Mass., so its a bit of a drive from NY. Looks like a great race though, its on my list for possible tune up HIMs before IMLP.

2011-08-28 8:31 PM
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I am going to try a 70.3 in the spring also, and I will be cherry pickin. I'm from westchester originally but live in Charleston SC now where all my training is dead flat. I've been looking at quassy also because I can visit family while up there, but I question the hills. I suppose I can just pace myself needed.I think picking a course that fits your ability is just as important as dialing in your nutrition or putting in the training.
2011-08-29 1:18 PM
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bdenehy - 2011-08-26 10:27 PM

Patrick E - 2011-08-26 4:23 PM I'm always amused when I see people trying to cherry pick HIM and IM races (i.e. the bike or swim is "too hard").  C'mon people, this is supposed to be hard - that's why we do it.  If you want easy, pick a local flat 5k and jog your way through it.  I don't think any of the races presented are towards the extreme of difficulty for what they are. Now that part is pretty helpful, though not too specific. 
  As for the rest, I'm always amused annoyed when people refer to some broad third party like People when referring to a specific subject (me) and questioning its intestinal fortitude. "Hard" is relative.  I'm sure there is someone out there who thinks IM races are kind of sissy, what with the water/aid stations, when you could conceivably just ride to your death in the desert with a 80lb sack of cement instead of an aero water bottle.  And I know that there are folks who would consider jogging a flat 5k Hard.  I'm somewhere in the middle and accept the fact that endurance races are hard, but they are not all the same and I do lots of things in life that are Hard.  I'm doing this to blend the Hard with the Fun.

Thanks to everyone for the information and the June races that arent listed on big boards yet.  Food for though on my next 5k jog/walk...

 

Well said! What would be the point of this website if we didn't try to seek out info to make the best decision for us/you.

2011-08-29 3:39 PM
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Patrick E - 2011-08-26 4:23 PM I'm always amused when I see people trying to cherry pick HIM and IM races (i.e. the bike or swim is "too hard").  C'mon people, this is supposed to be hard - that's why we do it.  If you want easy, pick a local flat 5k and jog your way through it.  I don't think any of the races presented are towards the extreme of difficulty for what they are. Now that part is pretty helpful, though not too specific. 
  As for the rest, I'm always amused annoyed when people refer to some broad third party like People when referring to a specific subject (me) and questioning its intestinal fortitude. "Hard" is relative.  I'm sure there is someone out there who thinks IM races are kind of sissy, what with the water/aid stations, when you could conceivably just ride to your death in the desert with a 80lb sack of cement instead of an aero water bottle.  And I know that there are folks who would consider jogging a flat 5k Hard.  I'm somewhere in the middle and accept the fact that endurance races are hard, but they are not all the same and I do lots of things in life that are Hard.  I'm doing this to blend the Hard with the Fun.

Thanks to everyone for the information and the June races that arent listed on big boards yet.  Food for though on my next 5k jog/walk...

 

Well said! What would be the point of this website if we didn't try to seek out info to make the best decision for us/you.

 

It appears I've managed to ruffle some feathers here.  Let me clarify - I (me, personally, not others) would not shy away from a HIM or IM that otherwise met my needs (time of year, geography, ease of access for family, etc., etc.) just because some element of it (e.g. hilly bike) was particularly difficult or didn't play to my strengths, but it appears based on the other posts I'm in the minority with that opinion.

And yes, I am amused by people (plural, not specifically OP although admittedly I used him as an example and I apologize he took offense) that come to the IM training forum and use the word easy in their thread starter.  I view that similarly to the number of threads that begin with something like, "I can't really swim and I can only train for a maximum of 4 hours a week but I can do an Ironman, right?"  I can't help it - these types of threads amuse me but again, I appear to be in the minority here.

So, sorry to get people worked up.  To the OP - I hope you find a race that suits you, train well, and have a great race day experience.  Finishing an HIM is a great feeling of accomplishment.



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3.5 hours from you is Syracuse 70.3 being held June 24th next year.
2011-09-03 7:27 AM
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I did Patriot this year for my first year and had a great time.  I think it's a perfect first half.  Swim is calm, bike is rolling, no real hills at all.  Run is flat. 

I am looking at races in the same time. I think I am going to do Eagleman. I don't bring my kids out for long races, not even Oly's except for NYC when they can come later.

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acumenjay - 2011-08-27 7:58 AM

Based on what you've said I'd still pick rev3 since it's closest, it's a good event and has the park.  There's nothing jaw dropping that you'd have to get off your bike and walk or anything.  You've been training a bunch too it looks like.  If I were you, I'd head over there one weekend and check out the course in the next month or so while it's still nice out.  You can drive/ride part of the course and check it all out.  Probably worth the effort before making the decision if you are worried about it. 

Also, if it seems too hilly skip it and then take that knowledge and then look up the other courses and compare them all on mapmyride and mapmyrun so you can see the elevation profile.

Thanks, I don't know why I didn't think to just ride the course in advance, but I didn't. I guess that is the benefit of picking races ~1 hour from home. Road it yesterday and it's got some pretty good hills, but so do my training rides (most of which are shorter than 56 miles, though).  That was a big help.  I went awfully slow and didnt feel like i could do 13 miles running after, but that is what the next 8 months are for, getting faster while saving some fuel for a run. 

Luckily, I did have enough fuel to keep up with the family at Lake Compounce when we met afterward.

Also, I like the idea of using mapmyride to judge races that are further out of town.  I haven't been doing this long enough to really understand the route/graph information and now at least I have one benchmark to compare the lines on a chart to the burn in my legs.

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REV3 quassy puts on a great show.  Perfect for families.  I've been doing races for 4 years and this years REV3 quassy was the first time the family saw me cross the finish line...kids are even allowed to run the finishing chute with you.  Plus, they usually give you 2 free tickets to the park.

The course is hilly, but you have the home court advantage (I'm 45 minutes from Quassy and wouldn't miss it), so you have plenty of time to get comfortable with the hills. Go for it...the other great thing about doing Quassy early in the season is every other race seems EASY after that bike!!

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