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2005-12-22 9:14 AM

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Subject: Tie-breaker

Several of you have asked (early-chick-counters) what we will do in the event of a tie-breaker. I can't focus long enough to come up with a sage suggestion.

What do you think/suggest?



2005-12-22 7:16 PM
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Subject: RE: Tie-breaker
Renee - 2005-12-22 8:14 AM

Several of you have asked (early-chick-counters) what we will do in the event of a tie-breaker. I can't focus long enough to come up with a sage suggestion.

What do you think/suggest?

Can't focus huh -- must be the "motivational clinic" coming up on Friday!  

Ok -- I'm making an assumption here, so this might need some "tweaking".  But based on what I'm seeing, the team that wins will most likely hit 100 percent of team hitting 100% of goal.  If that's the case, perhaps yardage percentage "above" team goal could be the tie breaker.   So, for example, suppose that team A's team yardage goal was 100,000 yards, and 110,000 yards were completed then team a would be 10% above goal.  -- Now suppose Team B had the same 100,000 yard goal, and as a team completed 125,000 yards -- then team B would win -- because they were 25% above goal. 

Don't know if that would work or not, but then another possibility would be that each team would be recalulated without the 100% cap and that would determine the winner.  Just some thoughts.

2005-12-22 9:05 PM
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Subject: RE: Tie-breaker
I think any team which makes 100% of their goal could be considered winners.
2005-12-22 9:28 PM
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If there is more than one team with 100%, then the member which had to overcome the greatest odds to meet their yardage should get the win. For example: I had to walk to the pool b/c my car was taken by the repo man or the pool was shut down and I had to drive 30 miles to the closest one. These stories would have to be posted pretty quickly after the challenge. I would say by January 3rd on a thread set up just for this purpose.

Everyone who entered the challenge would get one vote. The teams who are at 100% would not get a vote b/c I would think all of them would vote for their teammate and some teams are bigger than others which could sway the voting.

Of course the votes would be sent privately to Renee to count and would have to be in within a reasonable time.
2005-12-23 7:35 AM
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I think the teams that are tied should have a Jan. swim off using the same goals as they had for Dec. Or maybe the same goal plus 10% (I'm feeling mean today).
2005-12-23 1:58 PM
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This is probably incredibly boring, but I don't see why any team that is 100%/100% should be declared a loser. After all, this isn't a "winner take all" challenge but a "loser gets a kick" type challenge. I don't really care if there are multiple winners, as long as someone has to have a dorky avatar all January.

And as long as that person isn't me.


2005-12-23 5:50 PM
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summer_2005 - 2005-12-23 2:58 PMThis is probably incredibly boring, but I don't see why any team that is 100%/100% should be declared a loser. After all, this isn't a "winner take all" challenge but a "loser gets a kick" type challenge. I don't really care if there are multiple winners, as long as someone has to have a dorky avatar all January.And as long as that person isn't me.

I'm with summer on this one -- I don't care who wins so long as the POOLtriots don't lose! 

2005-12-23 6:43 PM
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hikergerb - 2005-12-23 8:35 AM I think the teams that are tied should have a Jan. swim off using the same goals as they had for Dec. Or maybe the same goal plus 10% (I'm feeling mean today).

What better motivation than that.

2005-12-24 7:42 AM
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I think the tie-breaker should be total team yards goal.

Assuming several teams achieve 100%, then teams with larger rosters and/or higher yards committed should get the nod.

Maybe the signature and/or avatar should be a composite of any teams completing 100%.

2005-12-27 9:43 AM
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McFuzz - 2005-12-24 7:42 AM I think the tie-breaker should be total team yards goal. Assuming several teams achieve 100%, then teams with larger rosters and/or higher yards committed should get the nod. Maybe the signature and/or avatar should be a composite of any teams completing 100%.

I agree with McFuzz.

2005-12-27 10:08 AM
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CalgaryRunner - 2005-12-22 9:05 PM I think any team which makes 100% of their goal could be considered winners.

This is my thinking, too.



2005-12-27 10:40 AM
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100% of goal = winners.

< 100% of goal = Florida residents.

2005-12-29 6:10 PM
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Renee - 2005-12-27 9:08 AM

CalgaryRunner - 2005-12-22 9:05 PM I think any team which makes 100% of their goal could be considered winners.

This is my thinking, too.

I agree with Renee on this as well.  Every 100% team is a winner.   On the other hand -- to answer McFuzz comment on teams with smaller numbers -- It is true that larger teams have to get more to work to make it to the top, but the smaller teams require as much, as every team members personal results carries a heavier weight! 

For example -- Team with 10 members -- 1 members not making goal -- impacts 10%

Team with 5 members -- 1 member not making goal -- impacts 20%

I vote for Renee's solution

2005-12-29 6:19 PM
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Subject: RE: Tie-breaker
UTTriman - 2005-12-29 5:10 PM

Renee - 2005-12-27 9:08 AM

CalgaryRunner - 2005-12-22 9:05 PM I think any team which makes 100% of their goal could be considered winners.

This is my thinking, too.

I agree with Renee on this as well.  Every 100% team is a winner.   On the other hand -- to answer McFuzz comment on teams with smaller numbers -- It is true that larger teams have to get more to work to make it to the top, but the smaller teams require as much, as every team members personal results carries a heavier weight! 

For example -- Team with 10 members -- 1 members not making goal -- impacts 10%

Team with 5 members -- 1 member not making goal -- impacts 20%

I vote for Renee's solution



Re the impact being greater on teams with smaller # of members - yes I agree. However the probablity or likelyhood of 1 team member not completing the challenge is greater the more team members you have... I don't have a solution for how better to have done this.
2005-12-30 8:48 AM
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I like the idea of taking extra yardage into account (100%+).
2006-01-01 1:54 PM
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As it's been stated many times already, I also think that if anyone makes 100% they should be declared winners- Afterall, that's what this was about. I'm not sure there's any real fair tiebreaker. However, if there must be a tiebreaker, the % of team yardage over goal for each team that made/exceeded 100% of their goals IMHO offers the most fair way to weight teams of different sizes and skills----

If we base it on total team yardage or number of people on the team, although it was perhaps easier for the smaller teams to meet their goals, smaller teams were always at a disadvantage and never really had a chance to win... 

Perhaps a more fair way to do this in the future would be to limit team sizes or require a minimum number of participants per team. 

 Just my two cents!  

Way to go Team UTAH!!!! 



2006-01-01 5:47 PM
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I've said it in earlier challenges and I will say it again, using yardage/mileage over goal just isn't a fair way to judge these challenges.  Some people set a goal which they know they will really have to stretch themselves to reach.  That is the whole purpose of these challenges.  It isn't fair to penalize these people by rewarding those who might have set a slightly lower goal which they knew they would achieve with relative ease. 

My vote goes to giving the 100% achievers equal first place status.

My second vote goes to those who had to overcome adversity.  Surely I get a slight advantage with this one :-)

Cheers,

Malgal

2006-01-01 5:54 PM
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Subject: RE: Tie-breaker
After considering all input, I have come to a decision.

There will be no tie-breaker for teams reaching a final score of 100%. That was the whole purpose of eliminating any yards/meters > 100% of goal.

Any team reaching a final score of 100% overall will be considered a winning team. The purpose of the challenge was to meet your goal; exceeding it is something for which you can pat each other on the back.

The Queen Bee has spoken.

Congratulations to all who met their goal. You should be proud. It was freaking December and you were SWIMMING!!!!


Edited by Renee 2006-01-01 5:54 PM
2006-01-01 8:07 PM
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I agree.  But then again I don't dare not agree.
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