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2011-12-30 10:06 PM

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Subject: compact triple or double

bikes out there help me.  still new this this biking thing.  bought an 09 tricross sport in the spring--swapped out for road tires etc and rode it all season.  it's a compact triple setup. 

I'm considering upgrading to 105 or possibly even ultegra components from the tiagra stuff that's on there now.  from what I can tell the tripple's tend to be cross bike and the double road bikes.  what the difference and does it really matter or is it just a matter of preference?

 



2011-12-30 10:10 PM
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Subject: RE: compact triple or double

a triple is beneficial if you have a lot of hills or have troubles riding in harder gears. It gives you more gearing options on easier end.

If you did get a bike running a double it would most likely be in your best interest to run a compact double, so it'll be an easier transition from the triple.

2011-12-30 10:31 PM
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Are you asking about a triple vs. a compact double?

I live in a not too hilly area, and I have a compact double. We don't have serious hills, so a triple is a bit overkill. If you have serious hills, a triple is good.

2011-12-30 10:38 PM
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The real difference is that triples don't shift as smoothly / crisply as a double. I own a Trek road bike with an Ultegra triple.  I like the granny gears on steep hills (and we have them aplenty), but I don't like the muddy shifting compared to my tri bike's double (admittedly, Dura Ace double). Oh, and people will tell you a triple has zero street cred, if that matters to you.  Compact doubles let you crank up the hills without looking like a newbie.

If I had to do over again, I'd buy a compact double with an appropriate cassette to get the same gear range.  I'd have the granny gears and the smooth shifting.

If you already have a Tiagra triple, it will cost a bundle to upgrade it and IMHO not really be worth it to just go to 105.  You'll take a bath on parts cost, even if you install yourself.You can get plenty of mileage out of your Tiagra setup.  I did my first few triathlons on a Tiagra triple.



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2011-12-30 11:04 PM
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see what I mean--new to this.  trying to figure out the differnce  between the 3 and 3 ring crank set overall.  given my still level and the terrain in these parts I think I'm better to stick with the tripple for now--I'm not worried about street cred.  thanks everyone for the input.  also good to know it may not be worth swapping out.  hadn't committed yet, and have had not problems with the tiagra stuff.  just considering the options.

 

KSH - 2011-12-30 10:31 PM Are you asking about a triple vs. a compact double? I live in a not too hilly area, and I have a compact double. We don't have serious hills, so a triple is a bit overkill. If you have serious hills, a triple is good.

2011-12-30 11:50 PM
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You're right to not worry about the street cred. Just worry about what you need for your riding. (And really, the folks who look down their noses at triples needn't bother you.)

As already pointed out, the shifting does tend to work a bit better on a compact double, because the front derailleur does not have to move so far. Probably not a big deal for you right now. The more important question is whether you'll need the smallest gears that a triple offers. To compare the lowest gearing on a bike, take the ratio of the number of teeth on the smallest cog on the front and the largest cog on the rear cassette. For example, on my tri bike the ratio is 34/25, on my roadie with a compact double it's 34/27, and on my roadie with a triple it's 30/27. This means that on the easiest gear on each bike one turn of the crank gets 1.36 turns of the wheel on the tri bike, 1.26 on the compact double, and 1.11 on the triple. That makes the triple somewhat easier to take up the steepest climbs.

Do you need a triple? It depends on your strength, your weight, and where you plan to ride. If you're a well-built guy who is new to biking and wants to get up some of those NC hills, then a triple could be your friend. I'm relatively light, and climbing is my strength on the bike, but I'm still happy to have my triple when I ride hilly routes in England.



2011-12-31 12:41 AM
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falconsprint63 - 2011-12-30 11:04 PM

see what I mean--new to this.  trying to figure out the differnce  between the 3 and 3 ring crank set overall.  given my still level and the terrain in these parts I think I'm better to stick with the tripple for now--I'm not worried about street cred.  thanks everyone for the input.  also good to know it may not be worth swapping out.  hadn't committed yet, and have had not problems with the tiagra stuff.  just considering the options.

 

KSH - 2011-12-30 10:31 PM Are you asking about a triple vs. a compact double? I live in a not too hilly area, and I have a compact double. We don't have serious hills, so a triple is a bit overkill. If you have serious hills, a triple is good.

 

Keep in mind you can always get a compact 50/34 and then an 11-28 cassette.  That is a pretty big range but it all depends on where you are at an also your strength-to-weight ratio on the bike.

2011-12-31 9:15 AM
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fwiw, I still tip the scales at 250 and live in the foothills of the blue ridge mountains with some significant climbs in the area.  haven't dared to ride with the climbers yet.

on the bright side, most of my training rides I rarely leave the center ring--although on the occasional enormous hill it's nice.  the only time I really spent any significant time in the easiest gears was in a race last year with a monster at the beginning and end of the race.

 

2011-12-31 9:23 AM
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Stick with parts your bike has...no need to invest in improving parts. Save money for new bike in the future.

Triples like others have said tend to not shift as well. Compact doubles with 11-28 or the Sram Apex group up to 11-32 are similar gearing to a triple but can have bigger gaps in gear ratios. Go to Sheldon Brown's website and look up gear ratios and put different crank and cassette numbers in his calculator and see how the gear ratios change.

Your observation about what bikes have triples and which have doubles isn't what I see in market.  In 2006 I bought my first tri bike and back then compacts (which are doubles 50-34) were not very popular not speced (as bike came from mfg) on many bikes, Shimano had only one level compact (not dura ace, ultegra, 105) but I got a compact.

Since 2006 more and more bikes come with compacts as speced from Mfg.

I race cross and I don't think I've seen one cross bike with triple. Many cross racers use single chain ring up front or double with slightly different ratios then compact...I believe my crank is 47-34 or maybe 48, but it is specifically a cross crank.

2011-12-31 11:15 AM
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KathyG - 2011-12-31 9:23 AM

Stick with parts your bike has...no need to invest in improving parts. Save money for new bike in the future.

I agree with this. It's much easier and tends to be more economical this way.

2011-12-31 8:19 PM
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I agree with the general consensus.  Not much to gain going from one to the other unless we are talking about buying a new bike, otherwise waste of money.  You can pretty much cover the same ground with both.  I find managing a triple on the front shifting is annoying fwiw.  Compact double usually is more appealing second hand as well nowadays.


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2012-01-01 9:51 AM
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Subject: RE: compact triple or double
Triples are typically needed for mountain bikers or training areas with a lot of hills, otherwise a double.
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Subject: RE: compact triple or double
Fred D - 2012-01-01 6:14 AM
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falconsprint63 - 2011-12-30 11:04 PM

see what I mean--new to this.  trying to figure out the differnce  between the 3 and 3 ring crank set overall.  given my still level and the terrain in these parts I think I'm better to stick with the tripple for now--I'm not worried about street cred.  thanks everyone for the input.  also good to know it may not be worth swapping out.  hadn't committed yet, and have had not problems with the tiagra stuff.  just considering the options.

 

KSH - 2011-12-30 10:31 PM Are you asking about a triple vs. a compact double? I live in a not too hilly area, and I have a compact double. We don't have serious hills, so a triple is a bit overkill. If you have serious hills, a triple is good.

 

Keep in mind you can always get a compact 50/34 and then an 11-28 cassette.  That is a pretty big range but it all depends on where you are at an also your strength-to-weight ratio on the bike.

. Agree, compact double with that cassette is going to work very well for most people. Then again I think 95-99% of triathletes should be riding a compact. Standard doubles are ok for very strong riders, especially those who like to ride in a lower cadence. I wold definitely skip the triple as the shifting problems alone will not be worth it. Lastly, 'street cred' may be something easy to dismiss on an Internet forum, but face facts....we do care about the way our bikes look. I do and most others would likely admit to this as well. A triple looks 'inelegant' at best.

 

Agreed that most people should be riding compact cranks but most people I talk to either find it incredibly insulting or they don't know what I'm talking about.

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Fred D - 2012-01-01 8:16 AM

KathyG - 2011-12-31 10:23 AM

Stick with parts your bike has...no need to invest in improving parts. Save money for new bike in the future.

Triples like others have said tend to not shift as well. Compact doubles with 11-28 or the Sram Apex group up to 11-32 are similar gearing to a triple but can have bigger gaps in gear ratios. Go to Sheldon Brown's website and look up gear ratios and put different crank and cassette numbers in his calculator and see how the gear ratios change.

Your observation about what bikes have triples and which have doubles isn't what I see in market.  In 2006 I bought my first tri bike and back then compacts (which are doubles 50-34) were not very popular not speced (as bike came from mfg) on many bikes, Shimano had only one level compact (not dura ace, ultegra, 105) but I got a compact.

Since 2006 more and more bikes come with compacts as speced from Mfg.

I race cross and I don't think I've seen one cross bike with triple. Many cross racers use single chain ring up front or double with slightly different ratios then compact...I believe my crank is 47-34 or maybe 48, but it is specifically a cross crank.

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I agree with Kathy and Fred; stick with what your bike has and save your money for a new bike in the future.

Triples can have issues but in most cases if you take care to maintain them, they will work fairly well. I have a triple on my commuter bike and while I never use the little ring anymore, it is not worth my time or effort to swap out my triple for a double crank (even though I have one sitting on my work bench).

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2012-01-01 12:27 PM
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Subject: RE: compact triple or double

I have a triple on my road bike.  I guess I'm a wimp when I ride that and one of the cool kids when I ride my tri bike (standard double).  I do most of my roadie riding on moderate hills and use the two larger rings then.  But when I ride mountains I'm occasionally thankful for the little ring.  I'd rather have it than have to change my cassette every time I go to the mountains.  BTW, I've not experienced any trouble shifting with the triple (Shimano 105).

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I found keeping the triple on my cross (racer) has helped me tremendously, especially for steep muddy New England inclines. Most people laugh at me at cross races,  because I hardly ever  have to get off my bike and carry it.  Doubles are great but  triples are definitely ok on cross bikes, if you dont mind the quirky shifting.



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Subject: RE: compact triple or double
brigby1 - 2011-12-31 10:15 AM

KathyG - 2011-12-31 9:23 AM

Stick with parts your bike has...no need to invest in improving parts. Save money for new bike in the future.

I agree with this. It's much easier and tends to be more economical this way.



Agree!

You mentioned "tipping the scale" at 250...if you continue to lose weight over the next season, it's likely your bike needs will chnage as well. Better to use what you have, which there is nothing wrong with, and later this year, maybe mid summer or even fall, see where you're at fitness wise. In the meantime, put away $100-$200 per month for a new ride downpayment. When it's time, sell your current bike to someone who can use it.
2012-01-01 2:19 PM
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Stick with the triple.  Use the small ring when you feel you need it.  As your bike fitness improves you should find that you need it less and less.  After a while, try harder NOT to use it.  I had a triple up until a few months ago and had Shimano Sora, which is one step below Tiagra.

In 3 years of doing Tri's not a single person said anything to me about my triple.  Especially in my last two OLY races

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falconsprint63 - 2011-12-30 10:06 PM

bikes out there help me.  still new this this biking thing.  bought an 09 tricross sport in the spring--swapped out for road tires etc and rode it all season.  it's a compact triple setup. 

I'm considering upgrading to 105 or possibly even ultegra components from the tiagra stuff that's on there now.  from what I can tell the tripple's tend to be cross bike and the double road bikes.  what the difference and does it really matter or is it just a matter of preference?

Just note to do this you will need a new front shifter, new front derailleur, and a new crankset.  It ends up being a good chunk of change to make the switchover.

At that kind of expense I'd buy a new bike and keep that one for cross, etc.



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i live in southern california and most of my more "serious" (using that term verrrrry loosely) road riding involves the mountains.  i'm a 5'4" 125# woman ... and i LOVE my triple.  i couldn't care less if other riders think my triple is "inelegant" or they think i'm wimpy.  when i'm climbing for 45 minutes straight at about 7mph (refer to "serious" being a very liberal term here, i'm no power-biker,) i love me some granny gears.  sure, i could get a compact double and that'd be pretty slick, too, but my bike came with the triple; it works just fine and i don't really have the $$ (or interest, in all honesty) to upgrade to a compact double.  
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falconsprint63 - 2011-12-30 11:06 PM

bikes out there help me.  still new this this biking thing.  bought an 09 tricross sport in the spring--swapped out for road tires etc and rode it all season.  it's a compact triple setup. 

I'm considering upgrading to 105 or possibly even ultegra components from the tiagra stuff that's on there now.  from what I can tell the tripple's tend to be cross bike and the double road bikes.  what the difference and does it really matter or is it just a matter of preference?

 

Agree most roadies are doubles, but ride what you got.  Been seriously humbled on many group rides by visiting Cat 2/3 road racers on rented entry-level bikes with triple cranksets.  It's the engine not the bike. 

BTW- nothing wrong with Tiagra FD's.  I have a triple Tiagra FD/compact FSA Gossamer crank on an old roadie & it works just fine. 

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