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 2012-01-18 3:32 PM in reply to: #3997948 |
Runner |  Subject: RE: what it means to be an ironmanGoosedog - 2012-01-18 4:20 PM mr2tony - 2012-01-18 4:17 PM I can only go by my own experiences and I don't think I know anybody who's run the entire portion of the marathon portion of the full-distance triathlon. And I know some pretty stout triathletes. Maybe they should have lost a few before race day. Or just put down the glass... |
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Pro 15655    | Subject: RE: what it means to be an ironman Fred D - 2012-01-18 3:39 PM Left Brain - 2012-01-18 3:50 PM It's an un_winable bet. How could I possibly verify if you ran the ENTIRE thing? Should I bet money and then just take you at your word? Ultimately you said the truth when you said your goals are yours not mine, so it only really does matter to you doesn't it? In the end all I responded to was a goal claimed by you on a public forum. I and others suggested it was unlikely. If comments like mine hurt you in some way then it probably would be best not to post said goals in a public forum. Lastly good luck, believe it or not your ironman isn't really going to be a success if failure based on your run don't walk goal. It really isn't.I remain neither built up nor crushed down. It's a goal, and it's personal. Advice is welcomed, criticism is valued, but in the end, I own it. Your life experiences are not mine. your background is not mine, your goals are not mine, and mine are not yours. I'm good with the goal I've set. Overall this site is hugely helpful......some big feeling people here and there but that's what comes with people who set goals and are successful at it.....I get it. Some of those people offer the most knowledge, I get that too. Not knowing me at all, Fred, and knowing nothing of my background.......how much would you be willing to wager? I'll go pretty deep on that one....you know, just to keep it interesting.
Wait.....what??? If I, in any way, gave the impression that your comments, or any others, "hurt" me in any way then I don't even know what to say to that. Seriously??? And how the heck did you get the idea that I think my ironman race will be a success or failure based on making a don't walk goal? I said I'd be disappointed, and I will, but that's a long way up the road from failure. Again...and that's always the problem with message boards. You make quite a few suppositions without knowing anything about me.
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| 2012-01-18 3:54 PM in reply to: #3997940 |
Master 3888   Overland Park, KS | Subject: RE: what it means to be an ironman mr2tony - 2012-01-18 3:17 PM I can only go by my own experiences and I don't think I know anybody who's run the entire portion of the marathon portion of the full-distance triathlon. And I know some pretty stout triathletes. So, yeah, you would be the first. Best of luck to ya. I seem to recall seeing some top 3 Kona finishers walk here and there during the marathon the last couple of years. Might have been do to cramps etc. but it was welkin'..... |
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| 2012-01-18 4:01 PM in reply to: #3993950 |
| Subject: RE: what it means to be an ironman Are we really sitting here and picking apart someone's goals? Who cares how lofty someone's goals are? So long as they aren't illegal, let him/her try. |
| 2012-01-18 4:07 PM in reply to: #3998025 |
| Master 2406 Bellevue, WA | Subject: RE: what it means to be an ironman reecealan - 2012-01-18 1:54 PM mr2tony - 2012-01-18 3:17 PM I can only go by my own experiences and I don't think I know anybody who's run the entire portion of the marathon portion of the full-distance triathlon. And I know some pretty stout triathletes. So, yeah, you would be the first. Best of luck to ya. I seem to recall seeing some top 3 Kona finishers walk here and there during the marathon the last couple of years. Might have been do to cramps etc. but it was welkin'..... It's not unusual to run the entire run of a full distance triathlon. I ran the entire run IMAZ 07, excluding a few aid stations and one porta potty stop. And that was for an 11:53 finish, certainly not a "KQ" time. I know many people who've ran all the run, including most aid stations. I've ran the vast majority of the run on most of my IMs, and I've had my fair share of walking. It's never been my plan to walk some of the time, but things happen in races. I didn't plan to walk as much of that hill at IMCDA as I did, but my HR was through the roof and I needed to lower it. It's not unusual to see people walk here-and-there like that. Walking up steep short hills is also very common; there are some stretches of IMLP coming back into town people plan to walk, same for that short path to the bridge deck in Arizona. It's also not unusual to overhear a lot of walkers talking about how fast their bike split was, which merely indicates they badly paced their bike leg. |
| 2012-01-18 4:07 PM in reply to: #3998000 |
| Champion 10154 Alabama | Subject: RE: what it means to be an ironman Fred D - 2012-01-18 3:43 PM Rogillio - 2012-01-18 2:42 PM Mike I can do that then again I suspect you might be surprised to find that occasionally I can be the good cop and quite supportive. Stop by my mentor group sometime, you might be pleasantly impressed. Sometimes I feel the need to interject some reality into discussions and for that I apologize.Fred D - 2012-01-18 1:09 PM Rogillio - 2012-01-18 2:07 PM He's got a good amount of fight Mike, so maybe he will prove us wrong, except no one said it was impossible, rather just really unlikely. Either way there is always a balance between the two extremes of overly unrealistic encouragement vs. crushing dreams before they start. A message board perhaps needs a bit of each as all one or the other is a problem....Left Brain - 2012-01-18 12:56 PM Fred D - 2012-01-18 12:54 PM Anything I can do to help, really it's no effort. Obviously.
You just shooting for the last word? LOL
I think Fred gave you some good motivation. Now you will break you neck trying to prove him wrong just so you can come back here, resurrect this thread and say, 'see, I told you I could do it!' Uh...either that or just leave it buried in the electronic ashheap of things best forgotten. :-)
OK, I'll build them up and then you crush 'em back down!! :-)
Well my point was that he probably COULD do it if that was his main goal and he didn't care what his finish time was. There is a price to be paid for having enough energy left in your system to run non-stop the entire 26.2 miles....it means you did not push hard enough on the bike. My opinion of course. And yes Fred, I know you are occasionally the "good cop". LOL |
| 2012-01-18 4:10 PM in reply to: #3998035 |
| Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: what it means to be an ironman Fred D - 2012-01-18 4:00 PM Left Brain - 2012-01-18 4:53 PM Ok, although you are reacting like you are a bit upset. I will take your word that you aren't and that everything you said wasn't what you said. We are all good.Fred D - 2012-01-18 3:39 PM Left Brain - 2012-01-18 3:50 PM It's an un_winable bet. How could I possibly verify if you ran the ENTIRE thing? Should I bet money and then just take you at your word? Ultimately you said the truth when you said your goals are yours not mine, so it only really does matter to you doesn't it? In the end all I responded to was a goal claimed by you on a public forum. I and others suggested it was unlikely. If comments like mine hurt you in some way then it probably would be best not to post said goals in a public forum. Lastly good luck, believe it or not your ironman isn't really going to be a success if failure based on your run don't walk goal. It really isn't.I remain neither built up nor crushed down. It's a goal, and it's personal. Advice is welcomed, criticism is valued, but in the end, I own it. Your life experiences are not mine. your background is not mine, your goals are not mine, and mine are not yours. I'm good with the goal I've set. Overall this site is hugely helpful......some big feeling people here and there but that's what comes with people who set goals and are successful at it.....I get it. Some of those people offer the most knowledge, I get that too. Not knowing me at all, Fred, and knowing nothing of my background.......how much would you be willing to wager? I'll go pretty deep on that one....you know, just to keep it interesting.
Wait.....what??? If I, in any way, gave the impression that your comments, or any others, "hurt" me in any way then I don't even know what to say to that. Seriously??? And how the heck did you get the idea that I think my ironman race will be a success or failure based on making a don't walk goal? I said I'd be disappointed, and I will, but that's a long way up the road from failure. Again...and that's always the problem with message boards. You make quite a few suppositions without knowing anything about me.
Fred, I've barely been able to stop laughing at most of this. You can think I'm reacting however you want....but again, you don't actually know. Everything I said is exactly what I said. I said my goal was to not walk any portion of an IM. I said if I did not make that goal I would be disappointed. From that one poster even said I was setting myself up for MASSIVE failure. I can see it now....there I am proned out on the road, hurt and a massive failure. NOW we're good.
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| Member 5452 NC | Subject: RE: what it means to be an ironman Fred D - 2012-01-18 5:00 PM Ok, although you are reacting like you are a bit upset. I thought he was reacting like he was having a little fun with it. |
| 2012-01-18 4:40 PM in reply to: #3998108 |
| Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: what it means to be an ironman Update: Fred and I have exchanged messages "behind the scenes" and he is now in full agreement that I can run the marathon portion of an IM. Enjoy!! I see a treadmill and pool train coming through the tunnel toward me. |
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| Subject: RE: what it means to be an ironman Fred D - 2012-01-18 11:45 AM Left Brain - 2012-01-18 5:40 PM Yes indeed, you win lol. Probably time to freeze this thread?Update: Fred and I have exchanged messages "behind the scenes" and he is now in full agreement that I can run the marathon portion of an IM. Enjoy!! I see a treadmill and pool train coming through the tunnel toward me. Nah, time to get a tatoo. |
| 2012-01-18 5:11 PM in reply to: #3997138 |
| Veteran 344 | Subject: RE: what it means to be an ironman Scout7 - 2012-01-18 10:38 AM I had never seen or heard the term "marathoner" until this site. If someone runs a 5K, do we call him/her a 5Ker? Lots of focus on labels. Labels, in my opinion, are not good. A person should not believe in labels, he should believe in himself. I quote John Lennon: "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me." A good point there. After all, he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. I'd still have to bum rides off people.
- Ferris Bueller
Fixed it for you - love that movie!
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| 2012-01-18 5:46 PM in reply to: #3998077 |
| Master 2406 Bellevue, WA | Subject: RE: what it means to be an ironman Fred D - 2012-01-18 2:11 PM brucemorgan - 2012-01-18 5:07 PM Bruce, it was pretty clearly in the context of NO running, ie, no aid stations, no porta potty no nothing. No hill walking, nada. In that context there are not 'lots' of people doing this are there?reecealan - 2012-01-18 1:54 PM mr2tony - 2012-01-18 3:17 PM I can only go by my own experiences and I don't think I know anybody who's run the entire portion of the marathon portion of the full-distance triathlon. And I know some pretty stout triathletes. So, yeah, you would be the first. Best of luck to ya. I seem to recall seeing some top 3 Kona finishers walk here and there during the marathon the last couple of years. Might have been do to cramps etc. but it was welkin'..... It's not unusual to run the entire run of a full distance triathlon. I ran the entire run IMAZ 07, excluding a few aid stations and one porta potty stop. And that was for an 11:53 finish, certainly not a "KQ" time. I know many people who've ran all the run, including most aid stations. I've ran the vast majority of the run on most of my IMs, and I've had my fair share of walking. It's never been my plan to walk some of the time, but things happen in races. I didn't plan to walk as much of that hill at IMCDA as I did, but my HR was through the roof and I needed to lower it. It's not unusual to see people walk here-and-there like that. Walking up steep short hills is also very common; there are some stretches of IMLP coming back into town people plan to walk, same for that short path to the bridge deck in Arizona. It's also not unusual to overhear a lot of walkers talking about how fast their bike split was, which merely indicates they badly paced their bike leg. Yes, I saw that, but disregarded it a bit. I think such a context is overly pedantic, bordering on petty. It's a strawman - "first, you have agree to my extreme definition, then by my definition I am right." To put it another way, you'd just have to be a jerk to think that walking say 75 to 200 feet of a 26.2 mile distance counts as "sorry, you didn't run the whole thing, bzzzzzz".
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| 2012-01-18 5:53 PM in reply to: #3998249 |
| Subject: RE: what it means to be an ironman brucemorgan - 2012-01-18 3:46 PM Fred D - 2012-01-18 2:11 PM brucemorgan - 2012-01-18 5:07 PM Bruce, it was pretty clearly in the context of NO running, ie, no aid stations, no porta potty no nothing. No hill walking, nada. In that context there are not 'lots' of people doing this are there?reecealan - 2012-01-18 1:54 PM mr2tony - 2012-01-18 3:17 PM I can only go by my own experiences and I don't think I know anybody who's run the entire portion of the marathon portion of the full-distance triathlon. And I know some pretty stout triathletes. So, yeah, you would be the first. Best of luck to ya. I seem to recall seeing some top 3 Kona finishers walk here and there during the marathon the last couple of years. Might have been do to cramps etc. but it was welkin'..... It's not unusual to run the entire run of a full distance triathlon. I ran the entire run IMAZ 07, excluding a few aid stations and one porta potty stop. And that was for an 11:53 finish, certainly not a "KQ" time. I know many people who've ran all the run, including most aid stations. I've ran the vast majority of the run on most of my IMs, and I've had my fair share of walking. It's never been my plan to walk some of the time, but things happen in races. I didn't plan to walk as much of that hill at IMCDA as I did, but my HR was through the roof and I needed to lower it. It's not unusual to see people walk here-and-there like that. Walking up steep short hills is also very common; there are some stretches of IMLP coming back into town people plan to walk, same for that short path to the bridge deck in Arizona. It's also not unusual to overhear a lot of walkers talking about how fast their bike split was, which merely indicates they badly paced their bike leg. Yes, I saw that, but disregarded it a bit. I think such a context is overly pedantic, bordering on petty. It's a strawman - "first, you have agree to my extreme definition, then by my definition I am right." To put it another way, you'd just have to be a jerk to think that walking say 75 to 200 feet of a 26.2 mile distance counts as "sorry, you didn't run the whole thing, bzzzzzz".
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| Master 2406 Bellevue, WA | Subject: RE: what it means to be an ironman ChrisM - 2012-01-18 3:53 PM Welocme to Slowtwitch! LOL. I'm thinking more and more, than only the first guy on Oahu was an Ironman. Everyone else is a poser, especially since they moved it to Kona. |
| 2012-01-18 6:29 PM in reply to: #3998283 |
| Master 2621 Mechanicsburg, PA | Subject: RE: what it means to be an ironman brucemorgan - 2012-01-18 7:06 PM ChrisM - 2012-01-18 3:53 PM Welocme to Slowtwitch! LOL. I'm thinking more and more, than only the first guy on Oahu was an Ironman. Everyone else is a poser, especially since they moved it to Kona. Hey, I completed that course. Not the first year but in mid 80’s after Ironman moved to the BIG island. I also walk A LOT of the marathon. My support crew was totally drunk but kept me going.
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| 2012-01-18 7:46 PM in reply to: #3993950 |
| Champion 7136 Knoxville area | Subject: RE: what it means to be an ironman So, to recap this thread for those just joining us. To qualify as an IRONMAN you - Must compete in a FULL DISTANCE (measured accurately) IRONMAN branded race, none of this Rev3 or whathaveyou. - Must finish in under 12 hours - Must NOT be a woman (it's not Ironwoman) - Must be willing to dodge port-o-potty's - Must muse on some of Pappy's old sayings - Must swim Freestyle the entire 2.4 - Must not break the Aero position (and avg. at least 20mph) - Cannot Walk ANY of the Marathon.
This is all that's standing between you and your Tattoo. Now get of the internets and on the trainer. |
| 2012-01-18 8:02 PM in reply to: #3998466 |
| Master 2621 Mechanicsburg, PA | Subject: RE: what it means to be an ironman Leegoocrap - 2012-01-18 8:46 PM So, to recap this thread for those just joining us. To qualify as an IRONMAN you - Must compete in a FULL DISTANCE (measured accurately) IRONMAN branded race, none of this Rev3 or whathaveyou. - Must finish in under 12 hours - Must NOT be a woman (it's not Ironwoman) - Must be willing to dodge port-o-potty's - Must muse on some of Pappy's old sayings - Must swim Freestyle the entire 2.4 - Must not break the Aero position (and avg. at least 20mph) - Cannot Walk ANY of the Marathon.
This is all that's standing between you and your Tattoo. Now get of the internets and on the trainer.
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| 2012-01-18 10:00 PM in reply to: #3994551 |
| Veteran 393 | Subject: RE: what it means to be an ironman japarker24 - 2012-01-17 8:26 AM reecealan - 2012-01-16 10:25 PM I thought you weren't an ironman until Mike Reilly said so......... Sometimes Mike Reilly is not at an official WTC race. For instance, IM Louisville and IM Canada are on the same day. Carry on....................
Yea, I hear he doesn't do IM Florida either. So I'm gonna be S.O.L. next November huh? |
| 2012-01-19 8:55 AM in reply to: #3998466 |
| Champion 10154 Alabama | Subject: RE: what it means to be an ironman Leegoocrap - 2012-01-18 7:46 PM So, to recap this thread for those just joining us. To qualify as an IRONMAN you - Must compete in a FULL DISTANCE (measured accurately) IRONMAN branded race, none of this Rev3 or whathaveyou. - Must finish in under 12 hours - Must NOT be a woman (it's not Ironwoman) - Must be willing to dodge port-o-potty's - Must muse on some of Pappy's old sayings - Must swim Freestyle the entire 2.4 - Must not break the Aero position (and avg. at least 20mph) - Cannot Walk ANY of the Marathon.
This is all that's standing between you and your Tattoo. Now get of the internets and on the trainer.
- must be a salt water swim in the ocean - must be a mass swim start not TT - must be at least 85 degrees while on the bike and run - must be done w/o a wetsuit
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