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2012-02-08 7:32 AM
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Fred D - 2012-02-08 3:48 AM

Lastly I have no doubt that phelps, Kobe and others hav a strength program, but they are professional athletes that have the time available to do this. They also have trainers and masseuses that keep a constant eye on them. They are the EXCEPTION. What we are talking about here is the question of CF for the age group athlete who is time limited by work, family, budget etc. for the average age grouper who simply wants to be the best triathlete, then they should spend their limited time on SBR, not CF. if the goal of the age grouper is otherwise, ie; they don't want to be the fastest triathlete they can be (note this does not mean podium, it could mean a 16:59 IM time which is the fastest they can do) and they want more overall strength and they like the type of workouts that CF provides, then have at it.

Wise would be you, to listen


Here we go. This is where the rubber hits the road on this issue. Unless an AG'er can train the kind of weekly S/B/R volume that a pro can, there's really no available time to do other training that will DIRECTLY CONTRIBUTE TO MAKING YOU A BETTER TRIATHLETE. It's really very simple. It's not an indictment of strength training or even CrossFit. Although there's no evidence they help triathlon perfromance they are certainly healthy acitivities with other benefits which should be acknowledged. And as said above, if you choose to do them, more power to you. But do so with the understanding it's not maximizing your triathlon athletic potential as an AG'er as it's taking time away from S/B/R.



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bencoy - 2012-02-07 8:44 PM

I just think CF is a great way to program strength and conditioning and can be used to supplement SBR training, 

 



No, it's not. You mentioned in a post that your goal is to be a better triathlete. This is not the way to do it. I can assure you, if I am not doing enough S/B/R to maximize my potential, neither are you. And I am not simply becuase there's no additional time.

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bencoy - 2012-02-07 8:49 PM

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bencoy - 2012-02-07 6:20 PM What types of weight training/strength training would you propose an athlete who's main goal is to be the best triathlete add to their workout routine?
Oh, I'll answer! How about MORE swim/bike/run?! What do I win? Seriously, I train..a lot. If I could find more time, I would swim more, bike more, run more. That's how I become the best triathlete I can be and even at my level if I managed to do more S/B/R I would be even better. And try and keep in mind the folks posting above you on this page have a HUGE amount of knowledge, experience, and results. To them YOU should listen.

 

So, you don't do any weight training or anything? Offseason?

I'm not challenging that there is plenty of experience and knowledge here...that's why I'm here.  ;-) I am listening.



I don't take an off season. I train year round. The fact that I train triathlon consistantly is likely why I have the results I do. I do some functional core work for 30min or so 1-2x per week and during the winter when I am not racing, but still training, I have done some upper body free weights. I do so NOT in an effort to improve my triathlon perfromance, i do so as a mid 40 year old man combating muscle loss as I age.
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bryancd - 2012-02-08 8:32 AM

  • ..And as said above, if you choose to do them, more power to you. But do so with the understanding it's not maximizing your triathlon athletic potential as an AG'er as it's taking time away from S/B/R.



  • Possibly more importantly, it takes away from your recovery from all those activities.
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    moose441 - 2012-02-08 5:43 AM

    Here is a cut out of one of the articles I read


    Any non-CF sources?

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    bencoy - 2012-02-07 11:54 PM

    Maybe not CrossFit specifically, but I'm sure they do some type of strength training. Right?



    The answer would be (in general) for elite endurance athletes, it depends. First, Kobe is not an elite endurance athlete and Phelps competes in events that have a huge strength component (i.e events lasting under 4 minutes) so strength training is very likely a key part of his work. However amongst the elite endurance athletes, you will find some that incorporate strength training and others who do not.

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    FrequentFlier - 2012-02-08 9:04 AM

    Isn't n=1 all that matters?  You do you, I'll do me.



    The issue here is when someone tries to apply their n=1 to everyone. Further, while there are individual differences, human beings response to training is more similar than different so while there may be minor differences in the most effective training programs for individuals, at the broad level these programs will be very similar.

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    rsmoylan - 2012-02-07 10:58 PM 

     other that n=1.  

    Isn't n=1 all that matters?  You do you, I'll do me.

    On a personal level, I agree.  What is troubling though is when claims are made to be good for all, and then there is no substance to back it up.  Try to remove variables and arrive at understanding truth.  This is how we learn about the body, and the world around us.  

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    rsmoylan - 2012-02-07 10:58 PM 

     other that n=1.  

    Isn't n=1 all that matters?  You do you, I'll do me.

    On a personal level, I agree.  What is troubling though is when claims are made to be good for all, and then there is no substance to back it up.  Try to remove variables and arrive at understanding truth.  This is how we learn about the body, and the world around us.  

    well put

    people have enough trouble trying to forumulate a strategy for training around their individual schedule. they don't need to be doing it with the input of unsubstantiated information. i personally like to strength/reisistance train, because i always have. doens't mean it helps my s/b/r output. and as Bryan poined out, at the level of time i have to committ to training, the best use for me if i want to have better times is s/b/r, which i agree. its the only way i see true gains in my s/b/r output above and beyond to just good overall fitness.

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    I have been doing Crossfit for almost 2 years, and about a year ago incorporated the Crossfit endurance program.  If you already have a solid base, doing the two together can offer improvements.  My Half marathon time went from 2:06:19, to 1:56:59 and ive cut my training time in half.  However, crossfit isn't for everyone, but if you are trying to get more free time it is a viable option.
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    If you look at the Crossfit Endurance WODs, they are simply S/B/R intervals, tempo workouts and time trials. These are things that have been around long before crossfit or CFE. All triathletes should be doing these things if they want to maximize their race performance.

    CFE stresses technique. Traditional tri training always has as well. It just doesn't have to be Pose running or Total Immersion. Cleaning up your diet is always a good thing. It just doesn't have to be Paleo-Zone.

    What's wrong with CFE is the premise that you can replace LSD, recovery workouts or steady state workouts with CF workouts and maximize your racing potential. Again, if optimium race performance is not your goal, and good GPP is, by all means do more strength and conditioning. If you are extremely limited with your training time, then spend it all S/B/R.

    Do people achieve PR's using CF/CFE? Yes, but it's probably due to the high intensity S/B/R that was lacking from their programs before. If they had done more sub-threshold S/B/R instead of CF workouts then that 10 minute PR might have been a 20 minute PR.



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