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2012-06-02 6:00 PM

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Subject: Zipp Wheels: Tubular or Clinchers??? Help!!!!
Help a brotha out here! Please share your opinions.Undecided


2012-06-02 8:16 PM
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Subject: RE: Zipp Wheels: Tubular or Clinchers??? Help!!!!
Since you can now replicate rolling resistance with clinchers and latex tubes I would lean towards clinchers. Cheaper to replace and it is what I am familiar with.
2012-06-02 9:00 PM
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papson14 - 2012-06-02 9:16 PM Since you can now replicate rolling resistance with clinchers and latex tubes I would lean towards clinchers. Cheaper to replace and it is what I am familiar with.

I would add that you need to use latex tubes and a fast clincher tire.  No Gatorskins with butyl tubes.

I have had tubular rims in the past and they were great.  It's actually easier/faster to change a tubular once you learn how.  The problem for me was carrying a spare tubular.  It's always a pain.

2012-06-04 12:24 PM
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Subject: RE: Zipp Wheels: Tubular or Clinchers??? Help!!!!

Both pros/cons, since I switched to tubs I won't go back unless I have to.  I've had more pops from clinchers because the tube rubs something or just get over heated or hits something...then any glass or thorns with clinchers.  Also, have had tons of pops inflating them and the presta value comes outs...tubulars you can swap out the values.  For me, tubulars feel like I'm riding on two clinchers...but I'm a big guy so I feel this more.   Sounds like easy choice, well....changing tubulars is not hard, just a little work, removal of old glue, gluing and mounting.  Changing a clincher is 5-10 minutes and done.  Tubulars are 3 day process, unless you use the glue tape.  Just know that when you go tubulars, you need some extra stuff: acetone, glue, gloves, sand paper (fine), glue brush (old tooth brush is fine), new spare tires (ebay good source), few spare presta values, white plummer tape, something to hold the wheel (like a wheel tuner stand)....I just use an old bike that is flipped over, area with ventation for gluing/cleaning off old glue.  However, for me the ride and having less pops is worth it...besides, its pretty cool to see the quality of your work.

2012-06-04 2:09 PM
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Subject: RE: Zipp Wheels: Tubular or Clinchers??? Help!!!!

Get clinchers...simple and cheap to repair a flat.

My tubulars I only raced on and $80+ to change a flat is a bit pricey.

Check out the rolling resistance comparisons of various brands/models of tires with latex tires and go with one with lower rolling resistance.

2012-06-06 3:56 PM
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KathyG - 2012-06-04 3:09 PM

Get clinchers...simple and cheap to repair a flat.

My tubulars I only raced on and $80+ to change a flat is a bit pricey.

Check out the rolling resistance comparisons of various brands/models of tires with latex tires and go with one with lower rolling resistance.

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2012-06-06 5:17 PM
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I train on clinchers and have Zipp tubulars for racing only. I have the LBS glue on the tires for me and have had to change one once in a race with no problem. I think tubulars are great for a race, they ride great and if they do puncture, you can effectively use a sealant to fix it, change it, or ride it in. I once rode 5 miles on a flat front tubular in a Half IM. Won the race and still had the fastest bike split. Couldn't have done that on a clincher.
2012-06-06 5:17 PM
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Very personal choice.  I just chose to go with tubulars and am happy.  I don't typically race with a flat kit so the tubulars are a good choice for me (they flat less often).

Plus the wheel set is probably 400 grams lighter fully tire-laden. (doesn't matter....I know).

 

2012-06-07 11:17 AM
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Subject: RE: Zipp Wheels: Tubular or Clinchers??? Help!!!!
Clinchers all the way.  Given technology now, there is no reason to go with tubulars unless you are invested in the already.
2012-06-08 3:52 AM
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ive changed a entire tubular in a race in under 1 minute. I now carry a can of Presso only for small flats and no spare tyre and it works well unless the tyre gets split open which will normally end your race either way. Presso will get your tyre back to 70psi which is enough to get you to the finish in a reasonable time.

Would not go back to clinchers for racing. They flat easier and are heavier.

 

2012-06-08 7:56 AM
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bryancd - 2012-06-06 5:17 PM I train on clinchers and have Zipp tubulars for racing only. I have the LBS glue on the tires for me and have had to change one once in a race with no problem. I think tubulars are great for a race, they ride great and if they do puncture, you can effectively use a sealant to fix it, change it, or ride it in. I once rode 5 miles on a flat front tubular in a Half IM. Won the race and still had the fastest bike split. Couldn't have done that on a clincher.

What kind of speed were you able to keep when it was flat?



2012-06-08 9:12 AM
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brigby1 - 2012-06-08 6:56 AM

bryancd - 2012-06-06 5:17 PM I train on clinchers and have Zipp tubulars for racing only. I have the LBS glue on the tires for me and have had to change one once in a race with no problem. I think tubulars are great for a race, they ride great and if they do puncture, you can effectively use a sealant to fix it, change it, or ride it in. I once rode 5 miles on a flat front tubular in a Half IM. Won the race and still had the fastest bike split. Couldn't have done that on a clincher.

What kind of speed were you able to keep when it was flat?



Not race pace but it was pretty sporty.
2012-06-08 11:05 AM
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People can have their opinions and I road tubulars for a long time but you state two properties that are nearly irrelevant.   May clinchers be a little bit heavier - well I could actually easily debate that but for the sake of simplicity I won't.  What people should care about is going faster, and with today's technology and LOW RR tires you can faster on clinchers than tubulars w/o the necessary hassle.  

Sure you can change a tubular in under a minute but then you have a poorly glued tubular that is easy to roll and quite dangerous.  When you flat at mile 5 of an Ironman and then race a poorly glued tubular you are going to lose many minutes slowing down for all the turns etc.  When you change a clincher, which can be done in under a minute as well, you get back on a wheel that is just as safe to ride as before the flat.

 


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2012-06-08 11:29 AM
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Another aspect of tubulars I prefer for racing is that they can be effectively pre-treated with a sealant they can become even more flat resistant. Jordan Rapp gave me his secret formula of 5oz. of Stans and 5oz of Slime Automotive. I do think in general, tubulars are less prone to flats, especualli pinch flats, obviosuly. So when I do the math, I can have a more effective pre-race treatement, I have multiple options (Hutchinson FastAir sealant, full change, or ride it in if close enpough), and I like the ride quality. But tgaian, this all assumes you are inlcined to have clinchers for training and an entirely seperate set of wheels for racing. if that's not hte case, then clinchers all day.

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2012-06-08 6:45 PM
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Subject: RE: Zipp Wheels: Tubular or Clinchers??? Help!!!!

I pretty much stuck to clinchers because that's what all my training wheels were.  I was familiar, could change flats fast, didn't need various tires/tools/tubes...

I think tubulars are cool, but too much hastle to buy race wheels for them.

 

Can anyone speak of rolling a tubular vs. clincher?  I heard it's more apt to happen with tubulars (especially if not glued well).  Then how does one know if it's glued well?

2012-06-08 7:06 PM
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Kido - 2012-06-08 5:45 PM

I pretty much stuck to clinchers because that's what all my training wheels were.  I was familiar, could change flats fast, didn't need various tires/tools/tubes...

I think tubulars are cool, but too much hastle to buy race wheels for them.

 

Can anyone speak of rolling a tubular vs. clincher?  I heard it's more apt to happen with tubulars (especially if not glued well).  Then how does one know if it's glued well?



I think it's next to impossible to roll a clincher. But I think the idea of rolling a tubular is way overblown unless you are racing a crit. If you are racing a traditional triathlon, you are very unlikely to be cornering so aggressively and fast as to roll a poorly glued tubular.

For what it's worth, most pro tour teams do still ride tubulars in the big races.


2012-06-08 7:44 PM
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Subject: RE: Zipp Wheels: Tubular or Clinchers??? Help!!!!
Rolling a tubular is probably way over blown, but there are many triathletes that do some sort of trick to get the tire off easily like leaving a patch of the tubular unglued.  Pro teams and crit guys don't do this because they don't intend to change the tire.  The real danger comes after you change a tire during a race - that tubular you put back on, even if preglued, is easy to roll and you have to be careful with turns or twists.
2012-06-08 9:30 PM
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I rode a flat tubular the last 5 miles of the Dueces course, Thomas, nd you know how up nd own with turns that is.i had to careful, but it was ok.
2012-06-09 5:49 PM
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Subject: RE: Zipp Wheels: Tubular or Clinchers??? Help!!!!
And I should add our mutual friend Kevin Taddonio rode a flat front tubular in for the last few miles at Kona. Didn't roll the tire.
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