Who is watching the VP debate tonight? (Page 4)

You didn't find Ryan's comments on small businesses and their tax rates misleading?  97% of small businesses make less than $250,000, correct?

Also, you don't find it humorous that Ryan sent two letters of request for stimulus money?  Come now, that is funny stuff.  Yes, there is funny on both sides, but that right there is funny as heck for everybody watching.

btw, consumer confidence just hit a 5 year high.  

I find many things humorous.  My point was The Obama "Truth" team misleads America on a regular basis so Uncle Joe should be inured to it.

Did you find Ryan's requests for stimulus money humorous?

Nope, because you want to change SS does not mean you will not take it when you retire.  The money came out of your pocket and you would be fiscally foolish not to.  The money would be taken from his constituents in the end so it is perfectly responsible of him to try to get back some of that money whether he voted for it or not.

Quite honestly, I didn't find any of the topics or comments humorous last night.  If you can laugh at this economy, a nuclear Iran, employment numbers, gov. spending, the death of our ambassador, etc. then there is something wrong with your moral compass.

x2, which is why Biden looked foolish to me last night.

I'm going to summarize this thread. 

Romney supporters: Biden looked like a jerk and Ryan did great.

Obama supporters: Biden did great and Ryan looked weak.

SHOCKING!

So if I understand what you are getting at, since he opposed and voted against the stimulus & ObamaCare, he shouldn't on behalf of the people he represents help them benefit from the legislation?

Could you explain to me why?

This is direct at both JoshR & Tony

I think you'll find more personal attacks against Biden from the Right than you will personal attacks against Ryan from the Left, at least here in CoJ.  Also, I don't believe Ryan looked "weak."  He did what he had to do at the debate...I just disagree strongly with his party's stances.

Brian, I think both Ryan and Biden did their share of distorting and misleading.  If I was Ryan I would have hammered Biden early on when they were talking about Libya.  Obama's own people have admitted that they turned down requests for beefed up security!  People died...Obama denied it...at first.  That was a whopper!

Again, we all know these debates are scripted.  I think when the Red Bull wore off on Smokin Joe, he came across more civil at the end when talking about religion.  Again, maybe it was from the heart...I don't know.  Like you, the debate really was not going to make any difference with how I vote.  However, I do think Biden's rudeness will turn some people away.  I can tolerate that from a young, immature person that does not have a lot of experience behind them.  But a career politician, such as Biden...I expect slightly more professionalism and for them to be better polished (not talking about teeth).  If I conducted myself that way in a meeting at work I am quite sure there would be some sort of discipline. 

Heck, just look at the obvious difference... Romney took it to Obama. Sure there are plenty of excuses, but it is pretty overwhelming agreement Romney took it to him. Was he condescending, interrupting, rude, laughing at everything Obama said... no he wasn't.

Fine Biden beat Ryan. He should, as long as he has been around he should have beat the snot nosed brat. But instead he was rude, condescending, and a jerk. There is something wrong with your game if that is what you have to do to win.

Ray, to compare this to a meeting at work is quite a stretch.  That said, if I've got a V.P. meeting with the president in the oval office, and they are discussing issues of vital national importance, I don't want a shrinking violet in there.  If someone's in the room spouting off we need to go into Syria or attack Iran prematurely, I WANT the guy in the room who will counter the nonsense forcefully and passionately.  Joe is that guy....heck, they named this forum after him didn't they?  

No, Romney just walked all over Lehrer.  btw, I think you'd agree Romney has a different personality than Joe, no?  If someone is sitting 5' away from you and deliberately misrepresenting information, you're going to sit there and take it?  I like to think I wouldn't...and Joe took it to Ryan early and often (thankfully).

btw, thanks again for pointing out what I was talking about earlier...the name-calling.  "He was a jerk."  You are trying to call out the VP on being rude...by calling him a jerk.  It reminds me of seeing a little kid at the doctor's office hit his sister...then the momma comes over and smacks his butt telling him, "You don't hit her!"  It's ironic, that's all.

You have an interesting take on how things go down.

What eloquent word would you rather I use for jerk that would not offend your sensitivities?

You don't want a shrinking violet, but you can't call a spade a spade. I'm not getting it.

Biden is not some idiotic brutish jerk. He is a polished, accomplished politician... but that is not how he acted during the debate.

I find it funny you like calling out behavior both sides do. You called Romney a liar. OK, that's one take. Obama is a liar... or they are spin masters, or they are only representing one small part? If Ryan would have come out swinging like he has been known to do... the left would have been on him in a second. They have already taken him to task for being disrespectful to the President. Oh.. the horror!

This is politics... just like you said... you want someone aggressive.... just as long as they are on your side and if not they are a liar or disrespectful... or can we just say jerk? How about we just got over all the sensitivity issues and "offenses" committed and just stick to the issues? You like Obama, vote for him. You don't like Romney, don't vote for him.

I'll take that "interesting take" comment as a compliment.  Thanks.  

The word "jerk" doesn't offend my sensitivities, don't worry.  

Just curious, when did I call Romney a liar?

Sticking to the issues would be wonderful, I agree.

Just found this video clip of Biden going into more detail on his Libya comments from last night.

I apologize. My bad. I actually thought you had in another thread, but I had to go back and look and I was wrong.

CD, you always have an interesting take on things, and I mean that sincerely. I sort of think your take on the debates is a little biased.... but it's a subjective opinion no worse than mine.

Biden has always been sort of a kook to me. He doesn't win any awards, but he is unique. I found his performance in the debate distasteful. I'll leave it at that. It does not really matter though, because the last thing these encounters are is spontaneous, or off the cuff. He learned his lines, he took the directors advice, he played his part. Just like Ryan, just like Romney. I'm not sure about Obama, because I can't image the plan was to act indifferent and disinterested and help Romney gain ground. Talk all you want about Romney and the moderator, but the truth is Obama blew it.

Debates are weird... I look forward to them to get to the meat of the problems, to hear some "debate", to get to the real deal.... and in the end they are just another manufactured marketed campaign speech by both sides that does none of the above. With you and I, we may not change our minds, but we at least come away with a better understanding of where each of us is coming from. (Or so I would like to think) I wish I could get the same from our elected officials.

My wife was born and raised in Bezerkley, Ca.  For our entire marriage we have not talked politics....we both understood it would be too much of a strain, me being a Midwest boy and all.

She told me tonight...."after the last two debates, there is no way I could vote for Obama/Biden right now".  She said that she was embarrassed after watching Biden last night....and that Obama looked like an unprepared child.

Maybe this will be the first year I'm not voting just to cancel her out.

On the other hand.....she'll probably write in Capt. Kirk.  LMAO

Because it ruins his public persona as a fiscal conservative. It shows that he doesn't care for his principles as much as everyone claims. Just like his voting for the prescription drug coverage under the Bush administration. You can't go around saying something is bad in public and then turn around and ask for the same thing.

Drinking is wrong and should be banned in this country. Now, can I have a nice bottle of chardonnay to share with the wife for dinner.