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Obama looked like he didn't want to be debating Romney in the first place.  

Biden looked like he never wanted his debate with Ryan to end.  Ryan may have give conservatives what they wanted to hear, but Biden gave America what they wanted to hear.

If you thought this debate was a draw... you missed the total eviseration of a high school debate kid by his seasoned principal.  It demonstrated the difference between a man who is justifiably a heartbeat away from the presidency...and a plebe.  

Obama couldn't have expected anything more from his #2, and it's about time, as Obama has had to cover for Joe many times.  This time, it was the other way around.  Looking forward to next week, and seeing if the president can earn his right for another 4 years of not having to fly commercial.

CNN snap poll as to who won:

Ryan 48%
Biden 44%


From CNN's article today about poll results, including their own:
"Those margins likely reflect the underlying partisan composition of the debate viewers that CNN interviewed. The cable network reported that slightly more Republicans viewed the debate (33 percent) than Democrats (31 percent), while 34 percent identified as independents. "



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Delivery-wise, Biden was excellent.  I loved the fire in the belly!  He didn't let Ryan get away with shenanigans...he called him out on the mullarkey.  Loved it!  Joe represented Delaware well tonight.  btw, the moderator was fantastic.

 I've never been to Delaware. Is everyone there that rude?

I thought this ad would come-out today.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/11/rnc_web_ad_laughing_at_the_issues.html

How anyone can look at that and not describe it as unprofessional, I have no idea.

And then there's this:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/12/david_shuster_joe_biden_made_himself_the_frontrunner_for_2016.html

 

I'll tell ya his reaction was a heck of a lot more professional than mine would be if I had someone sitting 5' away from me intentionally misleading the American people.  Joe's laughter was incredulous laughter.  How could one not laugh incredulously after hearing what Ryan was presenting?  Joe was great.  He didn't let Ryan get away with it.  He spoke from the heart...his final remarks didn't sound scripted like Ryan's did.

Why should this bother Biden The Obama campain does not know the meaning of the word truthful?

Really see two can play that game. 

You didn't find Ryan's comments on small businesses and their tax rates misleading?  97% of small businesses make less than $250,000, correct?

Also, you don't find it humorous that Ryan sent two letters of request for stimulus money?  Come now, that is funny stuff.  Yes, there is funny on both sides, but that right there is funny as heck for everybody watching.

btw, consumer confidence just hit a 5 year high.  

 

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Delivery-wise, Biden was excellent.  I loved the fire in the belly!  He didn't let Ryan get away with shenanigans...he called him out on the mullarkey.  Loved it!  Joe represented Delaware well tonight.  btw, the moderator was fantastic.

 I've never been to Delaware. Is everyone there that rude?

I thought this ad would come-out today.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/11/rnc_web_ad_laughing_at_the_issues.html

How anyone can look at that and not describe it as unprofessional, I have no idea.

And then there's this:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/12/david_shuster_joe_biden_made_himself_the_frontrunner_for_2016.html

 

I'll tell ya his reaction was a heck of a lot more professional than mine would be if I had someone sitting 5' away from me intentionally misleading the American people.  Joe's laughter was incredulous laughter.  How could one not laugh incredulously after hearing what Ryan was presenting?  Joe was great.  He didn't let Ryan get away with it.  He spoke from the heart...his final remarks didn't sound scripted like Ryan's did.

Why should this bother Biden The Obama campain does not know the meaning of the word truthful?

Really see two can play that game. 

You didn't find Ryan's comments on small businesses and their tax rates misleading?  97% of small businesses make less than $250,000, correct?

Also, you don't find it humorous that Ryan sent two letters of request for stimulus money?  Come now, that is funny stuff.  Yes, there is funny on both sides, but that right there is funny as heck for everybody watching.

btw, consumer confidence just hit a 5 year high.  

 

I find many things humorous.  My point was The Obama "Truth" team misleads America on a regular basis so Uncle Joe should be inured to it.

 

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Delivery-wise, Biden was excellent.  I loved the fire in the belly!  He didn't let Ryan get away with shenanigans...he called him out on the mullarkey.  Loved it!  Joe represented Delaware well tonight.  btw, the moderator was fantastic.

 I've never been to Delaware. Is everyone there that rude?

I thought this ad would come-out today.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/11/rnc_web_ad_laughing_at_the_issues.html

How anyone can look at that and not describe it as unprofessional, I have no idea.

And then there's this:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/12/david_shuster_joe_biden_made_himself_the_frontrunner_for_2016.html

 

I'll tell ya his reaction was a heck of a lot more professional than mine would be if I had someone sitting 5' away from me intentionally misleading the American people.  Joe's laughter was incredulous laughter.  How could one not laugh incredulously after hearing what Ryan was presenting?  Joe was great.  He didn't let Ryan get away with it.  He spoke from the heart...his final remarks didn't sound scripted like Ryan's did.

Why should this bother Biden The Obama campain does not know the meaning of the word truthful?

Really see two can play that game. 

You didn't find Ryan's comments on small businesses and their tax rates misleading?  97% of small businesses make less than $250,000, correct?

Also, you don't find it humorous that Ryan sent two letters of request for stimulus money?  Come now, that is funny stuff.  Yes, there is funny on both sides, but that right there is funny as heck for everybody watching.

btw, consumer confidence just hit a 5 year high.  

 

I find many things humorous.  My point was The Obama "Truth" team misleads America on a regular basis so Uncle Joe should be inured to it.

Did you find Ryan's requests for stimulus money humorous?

 

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Delivery-wise, Biden was excellent.  I loved the fire in the belly!  He didn't let Ryan get away with shenanigans...he called him out on the mullarkey.  Loved it!  Joe represented Delaware well tonight.  btw, the moderator was fantastic.

 I've never been to Delaware. Is everyone there that rude?

I thought this ad would come-out today.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/11/rnc_web_ad_laughing_at_the_issues.html

How anyone can look at that and not describe it as unprofessional, I have no idea.

And then there's this:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/12/david_shuster_joe_biden_made_himself_the_frontrunner_for_2016.html

 

I'll tell ya his reaction was a heck of a lot more professional than mine would be if I had someone sitting 5' away from me intentionally misleading the American people.  Joe's laughter was incredulous laughter.  How could one not laugh incredulously after hearing what Ryan was presenting?  Joe was great.  He didn't let Ryan get away with it.  He spoke from the heart...his final remarks didn't sound scripted like Ryan's did.

Why should this bother Biden The Obama campain does not know the meaning of the word truthful?

Really see two can play that game. 

You didn't find Ryan's comments on small businesses and their tax rates misleading?  97% of small businesses make less than $250,000, correct?

Also, you don't find it humorous that Ryan sent two letters of request for stimulus money?  Come now, that is funny stuff.  Yes, there is funny on both sides, but that right there is funny as heck for everybody watching.

btw, consumer confidence just hit a 5 year high.  

 

I find many things humorous.  My point was The Obama "Truth" team misleads America on a regular basis so Uncle Joe should be inured to it.

Did you find Ryan's requests for stimulus money humorous?

 

Nope, because you want to change SS does not mean you will not take it when you retire.  The money came out of your pocket and you would be fiscally foolish not to.  The money would be taken from his constituents in the end so it is perfectly responsible of him to try to get back some of that money whether he voted for it or not.

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Delivery-wise, Biden was excellent.  I loved the fire in the belly!  He didn't let Ryan get away with shenanigans...he called him out on the mullarkey.  Loved it!  Joe represented Delaware well tonight.  btw, the moderator was fantastic.

 I've never been to Delaware. Is everyone there that rude?

I thought this ad would come-out today.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/11/rnc_web_ad_laughing_at_the_issues.html

How anyone can look at that and not describe it as unprofessional, I have no idea.

And then there's this:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/12/david_shuster_joe_biden_made_himself_the_frontrunner_for_2016.html

 

I'll tell ya his reaction was a heck of a lot more professional than mine would be if I had someone sitting 5' away from me intentionally misleading the American people.  Joe's laughter was incredulous laughter.  How could one not laugh incredulously after hearing what Ryan was presenting?  Joe was great.  He didn't let Ryan get away with it.  He spoke from the heart...his final remarks didn't sound scripted like Ryan's did.

Why should this bother Biden The Obama campain does not know the meaning of the word truthful?

Really see two can play that game. 

You didn't find Ryan's comments on small businesses and their tax rates misleading?  97% of small businesses make less than $250,000, correct?

Also, you don't find it humorous that Ryan sent two letters of request for stimulus money?  Come now, that is funny stuff.  Yes, there is funny on both sides, but that right there is funny as heck for everybody watching.

btw, consumer confidence just hit a 5 year high.  

 

I find many things humorous.  My point was The Obama "Truth" team misleads America on a regular basis so Uncle Joe should be inured to it.

Did you find Ryan's requests for stimulus money humorous?

 

 

Quite honestly, I didn't find any of the topics or comments humorous last night.  If you can laugh at this economy, a nuclear Iran, employment numbers, gov. spending, the death of our ambassador, etc. then there is something wrong with your moral compass.



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LMAO..... if that's what y'all got ..... please, I beg you, let bring Biden it every night.

It comes down to this; the undecideds/independents are the ones the Dems need to sway. I bet they aren't buying Joe last night.

Imo, Joe's a lot like Canadian geese: loud, a pain in the butt, full of crap, and you can't get rid of them/him. Well, 3 out of 4 aren't bad. No offense to our fiends up north.

Seriously, after "They're gonna put y'all back in chains". ????? We all know both sides play games... but somewhere there has to be a line.

Actually I think Biden's dentist won.

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Delivery-wise, Biden was excellent.  I loved the fire in the belly!  He didn't let Ryan get away with shenanigans...he called him out on the mullarkey.  Loved it!  Joe represented Delaware well tonight.  btw, the moderator was fantastic.

 I've never been to Delaware. Is everyone there that rude?

I thought this ad would come-out today.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/11/rnc_web_ad_laughing_at_the_issues.html

How anyone can look at that and not describe it as unprofessional, I have no idea.

And then there's this:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/12/david_shuster_joe_biden_made_himself_the_frontrunner_for_2016.html

 

I'll tell ya his reaction was a heck of a lot more professional than mine would be if I had someone sitting 5' away from me intentionally misleading the American people.  Joe's laughter was incredulous laughter.  How could one not laugh incredulously after hearing what Ryan was presenting?  Joe was great.  He didn't let Ryan get away with it.  He spoke from the heart...his final remarks didn't sound scripted like Ryan's did.

Why should this bother Biden The Obama campain does not know the meaning of the word truthful?

Really see two can play that game. 

You didn't find Ryan's comments on small businesses and their tax rates misleading?  97% of small businesses make less than $250,000, correct?

Also, you don't find it humorous that Ryan sent two letters of request for stimulus money?  Come now, that is funny stuff.  Yes, there is funny on both sides, but that right there is funny as heck for everybody watching.

btw, consumer confidence just hit a 5 year high.  

 

I find many things humorous.  My point was The Obama "Truth" team misleads America on a regular basis so Uncle Joe should be inured to it.

Did you find Ryan's requests for stimulus money humorous?

 

 

Quite honestly, I didn't find any of the topics or comments humorous last night.  If you can laugh at this economy, a nuclear Iran, employment numbers, gov. spending, the death of our ambassador, etc. then there is something wrong with your moral compass.

x2, which is why Biden looked foolish to me last night.

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I'm going to summarize this thread. 

 

Romney supporters: Biden looked like a jerk and Ryan did great.

Obama supporters: Biden did great and Ryan looked weak.

 

SHOCKING!

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In the interest of not having this thread die down...

 

http://www.cnbc.com/id/49387561

 

Thus, there is no difference between either of these candidates.

At least he represented his constituency, then. And is representing them now, too. It's all about who one's courting at the time.

So if I understand what you are getting at, since he opposed and voted against the stimulus & ObamaCare, he shouldn't on behalf of the people he represents help them benefit from the legislation?

Could you explain to me why?

This is direct at both JoshR & Tony

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I'm going to summarize this thread. 

 

Romney supporters: Biden looked like a jerk and Ryan did great.

Obama supporters: Biden did great and Ryan looked weak.

SHOCKING!

I think you'll find more personal attacks against Biden from the Right than you will personal attacks against Ryan from the Left, at least here in CoJ.  Also, I don't believe Ryan looked "weak."  He did what he had to do at the debate...I just disagree strongly with his party's stances.

 



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Delivery-wise, Biden was excellent.  I loved the fire in the belly!  He didn't let Ryan get away with shenanigans...he called him out on the mullarkey.  Loved it!  Joe represented Delaware well tonight.  btw, the moderator was fantastic.

 I've never been to Delaware. Is everyone there that rude?

I thought this ad would come-out today.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/11/rnc_web_ad_laughing_at_the_issues.html

How anyone can look at that and not describe it as unprofessional, I have no idea.

And then there's this:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/12/david_shuster_joe_biden_made_himself_the_frontrunner_for_2016.html

 

I'll tell ya his reaction was a heck of a lot more professional than mine would be if I had someone sitting 5' away from me intentionally misleading the American people.  Joe's laughter was incredulous laughter.  How could one not laugh incredulously after hearing what Ryan was presenting?  Joe was great.  He didn't let Ryan get away with it.  He spoke from the heart...his final remarks didn't sound scripted like Ryan's did.

Brian, I think both Ryan and Biden did their share of distorting and misleading.  If I was Ryan I would have hammered Biden early on when they were talking about Libya.  Obama's own people have admitted that they turned down requests for beefed up security!  People died...Obama denied it...at first.  That was a whopper!

Again, we all know these debates are scripted.  I think when the Red Bull wore off on Smokin Joe, he came across more civil at the end when talking about religion.  Again, maybe it was from the heart...I don't know.  Like you, the debate really was not going to make any difference with how I vote.  However, I do think Biden's rudeness will turn some people away.  I can tolerate that from a young, immature person that does not have a lot of experience behind them.  But a career politician, such as Biden...I expect slightly more professionalism and for them to be better polished (not talking about teeth).  If I conducted myself that way in a meeting at work I am quite sure there would be some sort of discipline. 

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Heck, just look at the obvious difference... Romney took it to Obama. Sure there are plenty of excuses, but it is pretty overwhelming agreement Romney took it to him. Was he condescending, interrupting, rude, laughing at everything Obama said... no he wasn't.

Fine Biden beat Ryan. He should, as long as he has been around he should have beat the snot nosed brat. But instead he was rude, condescending, and a jerk. There is something wrong with your game if that is what you have to do to win.

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Delivery-wise, Biden was excellent.  I loved the fire in the belly!  He didn't let Ryan get away with shenanigans...he called him out on the mullarkey.  Loved it!  Joe represented Delaware well tonight.  btw, the moderator was fantastic.

 I've never been to Delaware. Is everyone there that rude?

I thought this ad would come-out today.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/11/rnc_web_ad_laughing_at_the_issues.html

How anyone can look at that and not describe it as unprofessional, I have no idea.

And then there's this:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/12/david_shuster_joe_biden_made_himself_the_frontrunner_for_2016.html

 

I'll tell ya his reaction was a heck of a lot more professional than mine would be if I had someone sitting 5' away from me intentionally misleading the American people.  Joe's laughter was incredulous laughter.  How could one not laugh incredulously after hearing what Ryan was presenting?  Joe was great.  He didn't let Ryan get away with it.  He spoke from the heart...his final remarks didn't sound scripted like Ryan's did.

Brian, I think both Ryan and Biden did their share of distorting and misleading.  If I was Ryan I would have hammered Biden early on when they were talking about Libya.  Obama's own people have admitted that they turned down requests for beefed up security!  People died...Obama denied it...at first.  That was a whopper!

Again, we all know these debates are scripted.  I think when the Red Bull wore off on Smokin Joe, he came across more civil at the end when talking about religion.  Again, maybe it was from the heart...I don't know.  Like you, the debate really was not going to make any difference with how I vote.  However, I do think Biden's rudeness will turn some people away.  I can tolerate that from a young, immature person that does not have a lot of experience behind them.  But a career politician, such as Biden...I expect slightly more professionalism and for them to be better polished (not talking about teeth).  If I conducted myself that way in a meeting at work I am quite sure there would be some sort of discipline. 

Ray, to compare this to a meeting at work is quite a stretch.  That said, if I've got a V.P. meeting with the president in the oval office, and they are discussing issues of vital national importance, I don't want a shrinking violet in there.  If someone's in the room spouting off we need to go into Syria or attack Iran prematurely, I WANT the guy in the room who will counter the nonsense forcefully and passionately.  Joe is that guy....heck, they named this forum after him didn't they?  

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Heck, just look at the obvious difference... Romney took it to Obama. Sure there are plenty of excuses, but it is pretty overwhelming agreement Romney took it to him. Was he condescending, interrupting, rude, laughing at everything Obama said... no he wasn't.

Fine Biden beat Ryan. He should, as long as he has been around he should have beat the snot nosed brat. But instead he was rude, condescending, and a jerk. There is something wrong with your game if that is what you have to do to win.

No, Romney just walked all over Lehrer.  btw, I think you'd agree Romney has a different personality than Joe, no?  If someone is sitting 5' away from you and deliberately misrepresenting information, you're going to sit there and take it?  I like to think I wouldn't...and Joe took it to Ryan early and often (thankfully).

btw, thanks again for pointing out what I was talking about earlier...the name-calling.  "He was a jerk."  You are trying to call out the VP on being rude...by calling him a jerk.  It reminds me of seeing a little kid at the doctor's office hit his sister...then the momma comes over and smacks his butt telling him, "You don't hit her!"  It's ironic, that's all.

 

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Heck, just look at the obvious difference... Romney took it to Obama. Sure there are plenty of excuses, but it is pretty overwhelming agreement Romney took it to him. Was he condescending, interrupting, rude, laughing at everything Obama said... no he wasn't.

Fine Biden beat Ryan. He should, as long as he has been around he should have beat the snot nosed brat. But instead he was rude, condescending, and a jerk. There is something wrong with your game if that is what you have to do to win.

 

No, Romney just walked all over Lehrer.  btw, I think you'd agree Romney has a different personality than Joe, no?  If someone is sitting 5' away from you and deliberately misrepresenting information, you're going to sit there and take it?  I like to think I wouldn't...and Joe took it to Ryan early and often (thankfully).

btw, thanks again for pointing out what I was talking about earlier...the name-calling.  "He was a jerk."  You are trying to call out the VP on being rude...by calling him a jerk.  It reminds me of seeing a little kid at the doctor's office hit his sister...then the momma comes over and smacks his butt telling him, "You don't hit her!"  It's ironic, that's all.

 

You have an interesting take on how things go down.

What eloquent word would you rather I use for jerk that would not offend your sensitivities?

You don't want a shrinking violet, but you can't call a spade a spade. I'm not getting it.

Biden is not some idiotic brutish jerk. He is a polished, accomplished politician... but that is not how he acted during the debate.

I find it funny you like calling out behavior both sides do. You called Romney a liar. OK, that's one take. Obama is a liar... or they are spin masters, or they are only representing one small part? If Ryan would have come out swinging like he has been known to do... the left would have been on him in a second. They have already taken him to task for being disrespectful to the President. Oh.. the horror!

This is politics... just like you said... you want someone aggressive.... just as long as they are on your side and if not they are a liar or disrespectful... or can we just say jerk? How about we just got over all the sensitivity issues and "offenses" committed and just stick to the issues? You like Obama, vote for him. You don't like Romney, don't vote for him.



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ChineseDemocracy - 2012-10-12 6:09 PM
powerman - 2012-10-12 7:49 PM

Heck, just look at the obvious difference... Romney took it to Obama. Sure there are plenty of excuses, but it is pretty overwhelming agreement Romney took it to him. Was he condescending, interrupting, rude, laughing at everything Obama said... no he wasn't.

Fine Biden beat Ryan. He should, as long as he has been around he should have beat the snot nosed brat. But instead he was rude, condescending, and a jerk. There is something wrong with your game if that is what you have to do to win.

 

No, Romney just walked all over Lehrer.  btw, I think you'd agree Romney has a different personality than Joe, no?  If someone is sitting 5' away from you and deliberately misrepresenting information, you're going to sit there and take it?  I like to think I wouldn't...and Joe took it to Ryan early and often (thankfully).

btw, thanks again for pointing out what I was talking about earlier...the name-calling.  "He was a jerk."  You are trying to call out the VP on being rude...by calling him a jerk.  It reminds me of seeing a little kid at the doctor's office hit his sister...then the momma comes over and smacks his butt telling him, "You don't hit her!"  It's ironic, that's all.

 

You have an interesting take on how things go down.

What eloquent word would you rather I use for jerk that would not offend your sensitivities?

You don't want a shrinking violet, but you can't call a spade a spade. I'm not getting it.

Biden is not some idiotic brutish jerk. He is a polished, accomplished politician... but that is not how he acted during the debate.

I find it funny you like calling out behavior both sides do. You called Romney a liar. OK, that's one take. Obama is a liar... or they are spin masters, or they are only representing one small part? If Ryan would have come out swinging like he has been known to do... the left would have been on him in a second. They have already taken him to task for being disrespectful to the President. Oh.. the horror!

This is politics... just like you said... you want someone aggressive.... just as long as they are on your side and if not they are a liar or disrespectful... or can we just say jerk? How about we just got over all the sensitivity issues and "offenses" committed and just stick to the issues? You like Obama, vote for him. You don't like Romney, don't vote for him.

I'll take that "interesting take" comment as a compliment.  Thanks.  

The word "jerk" doesn't offend my sensitivities, don't worry.  

Just curious, when did I call Romney a liar?

Sticking to the issues would be wonderful, I agree.

  

2012-10-12 8:28 PM
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Heard an interesting point about Joe today.

He blamed and blamed and blamed the bull--it lines they fed the press about the Benghazi stuff on flawed intel ("it was the intel we received") and then proceeded to say the intel community knows all about the Iran Nuclear program and it's not a threat.

So which is it? Are they incompetent or should we trust them?
2012-10-12 8:33 PM
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ChineseDemocracy - 2012-10-12 1:39 PM
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ChineseDemocracy - 2012-10-11 10:15 PM

Delivery-wise, Biden was excellent.  I loved the fire in the belly!  He didn't let Ryan get away with shenanigans...he called him out on the mullarkey.  Loved it!  Joe represented Delaware well tonight.  btw, the moderator was fantastic.

 I've never been to Delaware. Is everyone there that rude?

I thought this ad would come-out today.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/11/rnc_web_ad_laughing_at_the_issues.html

How anyone can look at that and not describe it as unprofessional, I have no idea.

And then there's this:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/12/david_shuster_joe_biden_made_himself_the_frontrunner_for_2016.html

 

I'll tell ya his reaction was a heck of a lot more professional than mine would be if I had someone sitting 5' away from me intentionally misleading the American people.  Joe's laughter was incredulous laughter.  How could one not laugh incredulously after hearing what Ryan was presenting?  Joe was great.  He didn't let Ryan get away with it.  He spoke from the heart...his final remarks didn't sound scripted like Ryan's did.

Brian, I think both Ryan and Biden did their share of distorting and misleading.  If I was Ryan I would have hammered Biden early on when they were talking about Libya.  Obama's own people have admitted that they turned down requests for beefed up security!  People died...Obama denied it...at first.  That was a whopper!

Again, we all know these debates are scripted.  I think when the Red Bull wore off on Smokin Joe, he came across more civil at the end when talking about religion.  Again, maybe it was from the heart...I don't know.  Like you, the debate really was not going to make any difference with how I vote.  However, I do think Biden's rudeness will turn some people away.  I can tolerate that from a young, immature person that does not have a lot of experience behind them.  But a career politician, such as Biden...I expect slightly more professionalism and for them to be better polished (not talking about teeth).  If I conducted myself that way in a meeting at work I am quite sure there would be some sort of discipline. 



Agreed.

Laughing incredulously is one thing but over and over and over and over ? Along with the smirking ? I honestly don't think he knows how he comes across. Can I say it that way without it being an "attack" ? Looking at it objectively, independent of party affiliation, I would think to those people it's obvious he struggles with controlling what he says and how he projects himself. Just too many ridiculous gaffes to ignore + last night. Maybe I'm wrong.

This man is one heartbeat from the nuclear button.
2012-10-12 8:47 PM
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ChineseDemocracy - 2012-10-12 6:02 PM
rayd - 2012-10-12 7:37 PM
ChineseDemocracy - 2012-10-12 1:39 PM
GomesBolt - 2012-10-12 9:02 AM
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ChineseDemocracy - 2012-10-11 10:15 PM

Delivery-wise, Biden was excellent.  I loved the fire in the belly!  He didn't let Ryan get away with shenanigans...he called him out on the mullarkey.  Loved it!  Joe represented Delaware well tonight.  btw, the moderator was fantastic.

 I've never been to Delaware. Is everyone there that rude?

I thought this ad would come-out today.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/11/rnc_web_ad_laughing_at_the_issues.html

How anyone can look at that and not describe it as unprofessional, I have no idea.

And then there's this:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/12/david_shuster_joe_biden_made_himself_the_frontrunner_for_2016.html

 

I'll tell ya his reaction was a heck of a lot more professional than mine would be if I had someone sitting 5' away from me intentionally misleading the American people.  Joe's laughter was incredulous laughter.  How could one not laugh incredulously after hearing what Ryan was presenting?  Joe was great.  He didn't let Ryan get away with it.  He spoke from the heart...his final remarks didn't sound scripted like Ryan's did.

Brian, I think both Ryan and Biden did their share of distorting and misleading.  If I was Ryan I would have hammered Biden early on when they were talking about Libya.  Obama's own people have admitted that they turned down requests for beefed up security!  People died...Obama denied it...at first.  That was a whopper!

Again, we all know these debates are scripted.  I think when the Red Bull wore off on Smokin Joe, he came across more civil at the end when talking about religion.  Again, maybe it was from the heart...I don't know.  Like you, the debate really was not going to make any difference with how I vote.  However, I do think Biden's rudeness will turn some people away.  I can tolerate that from a young, immature person that does not have a lot of experience behind them.  But a career politician, such as Biden...I expect slightly more professionalism and for them to be better polished (not talking about teeth).  If I conducted myself that way in a meeting at work I am quite sure there would be some sort of discipline. 

Ray, to compare this to a meeting at work is quite a stretch.  That said, if I've got a V.P. meeting with the president in the oval office, and they are discussing issues of vital national importance, I don't want a shrinking violet in there.  If someone's in the room spouting off we need to go into Syria or attack Iran prematurely, I WANT the guy in the room who will counter the nonsense forcefully and passionately.  Joe is that guy....heck, they named this forum after him didn't they?  

I don't know of any forum named after him...but I do believe I know where the phrase "Joe Blow" came from.
2012-10-12 9:50 PM
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Just found this video clip of Biden going into more detail on his Libya comments from last night.

 



2012-10-13 12:04 AM
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ChineseDemocracy - 2012-10-12 6:56 PM

I'll take that "interesting take" comment as a compliment.  Thanks.  

The word "jerk" doesn't offend my sensitivities, don't worry.  

Just curious, when did I call Romney a liar?

Sticking to the issues would be wonderful, I agree.

  

I apologize. My bad. I actually thought you had in another thread, but I had to go back and look and I was wrong.

CD, you always have an interesting take on things, and I mean that sincerely. I sort of think your take on the debates is a little biased.... but it's a subjective opinion no worse than mine.

Biden has always been sort of a kook to me. He doesn't win any awards, but he is unique. I found his performance in the debate distasteful. I'll leave it at that. It does not really matter though, because the last thing these encounters are is spontaneous, or off the cuff. He learned his lines, he took the directors advice, he played his part. Just like Ryan, just like Romney. I'm not sure about Obama, because I can't image the plan was to act indifferent and disinterested and help Romney gain ground. Talk all you want about Romney and the moderator, but the truth is Obama blew it.

Debates are weird... I look forward to them to get to the meat of the problems, to hear some "debate", to get to the real deal.... and in the end they are just another manufactured marketed campaign speech by both sides that does none of the above. With you and I, we may not change our minds, but we at least come away with a better understanding of where each of us is coming from. (Or so I would like to think) I wish I could get the same from our elected officials.



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My wife was born and raised in Bezerkley, Ca.  For our entire marriage we have not talked politics....we both understood it would be too much of a strain, me being a Midwest boy and all.

She told me tonight...."after the last two debates, there is no way I could vote for Obama/Biden right now".  She said that she was embarrassed after watching Biden last night....and that Obama looked like an unprepared child.

Laughing

Maybe this will be the first year I'm not voting just to cancel her out.

On the other hand.....she'll probably write in Capt. Kirk.  LMAO

2012-10-13 6:48 AM
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Capt Kirk? At least vote for someone real like Mr Spock.

My wife wrote me in for Sherriff when we lived in SC. So I can say "ran for office in 2004."

I am definitely hearing more people on the leaning-left say they may stay home instead of voting for OB since the debate. The polls are showing that as well.
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JoshR - 2012-10-12 11:46 AM

In the interest of not having this thread die down...

 

http://www.cnbc.com/id/49387561

 

Thus, there is no difference between either of these candidates.

At least he represented his constituency, then. And is representing them now, too. It's all about who one's courting at the time.

So if I understand what you are getting at, since he opposed and voted against the stimulus & ObamaCare, he shouldn't on behalf of the people he represents help them benefit from the legislation?

Could you explain to me why?

This is direct at both JoshR & Tony

 

Because it ruins his public persona as a fiscal conservative. It shows that he doesn't care for his principles as much as everyone claims. Just like his voting for the prescription drug coverage under the Bush administration. You can't go around saying something is bad in public and then turn around and ask for the same thing.

Drinking is wrong and should be banned in this country. Now, can I have a nice bottle of chardonnay to share with the wife for dinner.

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