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2013-05-10 7:17 AM
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Thought about this thread today. I've got cleaners coming over, about ever 5 years or so I hire a maid service to do a scrub out.

Hmmm, the safe's full. The ammo safe is full. So the office will be locked, everything loose can go into there.

Where the heck did this shotgun come from? I don't remember it. Oh well, into the office.
There's another case of ammo. I've never owned a firearm in that caliber, WTF? Okay, into the office.
Wow, that's a whole closet shelf full of various handguns. Interesting. Then I realized I had a target from the last handgun I got hanging on the fridge. About 200 .32 holes all in the silhouette. Hmmm, this could be a problem if one of them is a severe hoplophobe. So it goes out. I wonder how much stuff I see every day that I'm missing that might give a severe anti the vapors.

What got me thinking about it was the comment on ammo and house fire. Buddy of mine is a fireman and he always gets a kick out of how freaked people can get if you have more than a few hundred rounds. He's got something like 20,000 rounds of ammo all over his house and has absolutely zero concern if his house catches. Their turn out clothing is heavy enough to stop the high speed brass that would be launched.


2013-05-10 9:33 AM
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DanielG - 2013-05-10 7:17 AM Thought about this thread today. I've got cleaners coming over, about ever 5 years or so I hire a maid service to do a scrub out. Hmmm, the safe's full. The ammo safe is full. So the office will be locked, everything loose can go into there. Where the heck did this shotgun come from? I don't remember it. Oh well, into the office. There's another case of ammo. I've never owned a firearm in that caliber, WTF? Okay, into the office. Wow, that's a whole closet shelf full of various handguns. Interesting. Then I realized I had a target from the last handgun I got hanging on the fridge. About 200 .32 holes all in the silhouette. Hmmm, this could be a problem if one of them is a severe hoplophobe. So it goes out. I wonder how much stuff I see every day that I'm missing that might give a severe anti the vapors. What got me thinking about it was the comment on ammo and house fire. Buddy of mine is a fireman and he always gets a kick out of how freaked people can get if you have more than a few hundred rounds. He's got something like 20,000 rounds of ammo all over his house and has absolutely zero concern if his house catches. Their turn out clothing is heavy enough to stop the high speed brass that would be launched.

Here's a great video on how dangerous ammo is during a fire.

SAAMI - Sporting Ammunition and the Fire Fighter

Warning, you will cry a lot while watching the ammo destruction but it demonstrates that ammo outside of a gun isn't much worse than a firecracker.

2013-05-10 9:53 AM
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DanielG - 2013-05-10 6:17 AM Thought about this thread today. I've got cleaners coming over, about ever 5 years or so I hire a maid service to do a scrub out. Hmmm, the safe's full. The ammo safe is full. So the office will be locked, everything loose can go into there. Where the heck did this shotgun come from? I don't remember it. Oh well, into the office. There's another case of ammo. I've never owned a firearm in that caliber, WTF? Okay, into the office. Wow, that's a whole closet shelf full of various handguns. Interesting. Then I realized I had a target from the last handgun I got hanging on the fridge. About 200 .32 holes all in the silhouette. Hmmm, this could be a problem if one of them is a severe hoplophobe. So it goes out. I wonder how much stuff I see every day that I'm missing that might give a severe anti the vapors. What got me thinking about it was the comment on ammo and house fire. Buddy of mine is a fireman and he always gets a kick out of how freaked people can get if you have more than a few hundred rounds. He's got something like 20,000 rounds of ammo all over his house and has absolutely zero concern if his house catches. Their turn out clothing is heavy enough to stop the high speed brass that would be launched.

 

Finding guns and ammo you didn't remember you had = WINNING! (Charlie Sheen Style!)

2013-05-10 11:53 AM
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Aarondb4 - 2013-05-10 10:53 AM

 

Finding guns and ammo you didn't remember you had = WINNING! (Charlie Sheen Style!)



Absolutely. Although what I'm going to do with about 50 rounds of .270 I have no idea. The .308 I'll end up with one before long in any case, maybe an AR-10 just to fluster someone looking at it and its evilness.

The shotgun, I can use.



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2013-05-10 2:20 PM
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2013-05-10 2:24 PM
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Oh boy.  Now people are gonna start freking out about nothing.  Yes "freking"...



2013-05-10 2:38 PM
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I did not know 3D printing was that far along, but yes, I have seen these. That's great, they made it go bang. Now let's look at accuracy, reliability, and durability.

But there are others out there sticking up their middle finger making 30 rnd magazines. That is actually useful. No matter though, quick stroke of the pen and it will all be illegal.

There are plenty of talented people with equipment in their own garage that can manufacture guns right now... always have been.

2013-05-11 4:33 AM
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"Nobody wants to take your guns away..." I've heard more times than I can count.


http://www.examiner.com/article/open-mike-reveals-n-j-senators-cont...
Among the lines heard in the recording:

"We needed a bill that was going to confiscate, confiscate, confiscate.”

"They don’t care about the bad guys. All they want to do is have their little guns and do whatever they want with them.”

2013-05-11 6:42 AM
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powerman - 2013-05-10 2:38 PM

I did not know 3D printing was that far along, but yes, I have seen these. That's great, they made it go bang. Now let's look at accuracy, reliability, and durability.



And cost. The machine they used costs $8,000. So it's not as if everybody's going to get one and start printing handguns in their basement.
2013-05-11 7:35 AM
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powerman - 2013-05-10 2:38 PM

I did not know 3D printing was that far along, but yes, I have seen these. That's great, they made it go bang. Now let's look at accuracy, reliability, and durability.



And cost. The machine they used costs $8,000. So it's not as if everybody's going to get one and start printing handguns in their basement.


How much did a VCR cost in, for instance, 1975? How much did one cost in 1995?

2013-05-11 10:15 AM
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DanielG - 2013-05-11 7:35 AM

jmk-brooklyn - 2013-05-11 7:42 AM

powerman - 2013-05-10 2:38 PM

I did not know 3D printing was that far along, but yes, I have seen these. That's great, they made it go bang. Now let's look at accuracy, reliability, and durability.



And cost. The machine they used costs $8,000. So it's not as if everybody's going to get one and start printing handguns in their basement.


How much did a VCR cost in, for instance, 1975? How much did one cost in 1995?



Probably a lot. A lot less. So?


2013-05-11 12:44 PM
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DanielG - 2013-05-11 3:33 AM "Nobody wants to take your guns away..." I've heard more times than I can count. http://www.examiner.com/article/open-mike-reveals-n-j-senators-cont... Among the lines heard in the recording: "We needed a bill that was going to confiscate, confiscate, confiscate.” "They don’t care about the bad guys. All they want to do is have their little guns and do whatever they want with them.”

Just because you are paranoid... does not mean they are not out to get you.

2013-05-11 2:18 PM
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Picked up UTS15's last night.  I'm hoping to provide a range report by Monday.  Definitely a cool setup but I know that some earlier versions were questionable in terms of reliability.

2013-05-11 2:33 PM
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Pector55 - 2013-05-11 1:18 PM

Picked up UTS15's last night.  I'm hoping to provide a range report by Monday.  Definitely a cool setup but I know that some earlier versions were questionable in terms of reliability.

Oh come on... what do you need that for?

2013-05-11 4:40 PM
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Pector55 - 2013-05-11 2:18 PM

Picked up UTS15's last night.  I'm hoping to provide a range report by Monday.  Definitely a cool setup but I know that some earlier versions were questionable in terms of reliability.



Wow, I bet you could bag epic numbers of waterfowl with one of those. That's what it's for, right?
2013-05-11 4:53 PM
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2013-05-11 4:57 PM
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jmk-brooklyn - 2013-05-11 4:40 PM
Pector55 - 2013-05-11 2:18 PM

Picked up UTS15's last night.  I'm hoping to provide a range report by Monday.  Definitely a cool setup but I know that some earlier versions were questionable in terms of reliability.

Wow, I bet you could bag epic numbers of waterfowl with one of those. That's what it's for, right?
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Yep, the knife is to clean them...

2013-05-11 5:43 PM
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A little late to this one, but I just found this out last night...

As of April 15 this year, this is an illegal assault weapon in New York:

A Walther GSP, an olympic sport pistol, holds a grand total of 5 22LR rounds.  Yet, because it is semi-auto and includes one "military characteristic", namely that the magazine is someplace other than the grip, it's an assault weapon.

In fact, all olympic sport pistols are now assault weapons - rules say one handed grip only, so the magazine is moved outside the grip for better ergonomics.

#1 - I highly doubt any crime has ever been attempted with a sport pistol.

#2 - You aren't going to get far "assaulting" a place with 5 22LR rounds!

#3 - Criminals usually don't use $2000+ pistols...

2013-05-11 6:11 PM
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scorpio516 - 2013-05-11 6:43 PM

A little late to this one, but I just found this out last night...

As of April 15 this year, this is an illegal assault weapon in New York:

A Walther GSP, an olympic sport pistol, holds a grand total of 5 22LR rounds.  Yet, because it is semi-auto and includes one "military characteristic", namely that the magazine is someplace other than the grip, it's an assault weapon.

In fact, all olympic sport pistols are now assault weapons - rules say one handed grip only, so the magazine is moved outside the grip for better ergonomics.

#1 - I highly doubt any crime has ever been attempted with a sport pistol.

#2 - You aren't going to get far "assaulting" a place with 5 22LR rounds!

#3 - Criminals usually don't use $2000+ pistols...



You're trying to use logic and sense in a gun law? Quit.

Hell, President Obama and then SecState Clinton denied S Korea M1 Carbines because apparently they're the weapon of choice and they didn't want to see the gangs get them. Close to 100,000 Garands were blocked as well. Yeah, the bangers are just lining up for a 45", 10 pound rifle





2013-05-12 8:00 AM
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jmk-brooklyn - 2013-05-11 5:40 PM
Pector55 - 2013-05-11 2:18 PM

Picked up UTS15's last night.  I'm hoping to provide a range report by Monday.  Definitely a cool setup but I know that some earlier versions were questionable in terms of reliability.

Wow, I bet you could bag epic numbers of waterfowl with one of those. That's what it's for, right?

 

Why do you hate nature?

2013-05-12 8:17 AM
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Pector55 - 2013-05-12 8:00 AM

jmk-brooklyn - 2013-05-11 5:40 PM
Pector55 - 2013-05-11 2:18 PM

Picked up UTS15's last night.  I'm hoping to provide a range report by Monday.  Definitely a cool setup but I know that some earlier versions were questionable in terms of reliability.

Wow, I bet you could bag epic numbers of waterfowl with one of those. That's what it's for, right?

 

Why do you hate nature?



How dare you? I love nature. Especially once I hit it with some dry rub and leave it in the smoker for a few hours. Mmmm....nature....


2013-05-12 9:26 AM
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Good one Brooklyn ^^.
2013-05-12 11:23 AM
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DanielG - 2013-05-11 3:53 PM Colorado lawmakers face recall for anti-gun stance http://www.examiner.com/article/colorado-lawmakers-face-recall-for-...

I don't see it getting anywhere. And personally, I do not support asking for a recall because the person voted for something you did not want. If they ran on not doing it, and you voted for them, then I understand that. But the people doing the recall, did not vote for those people in the first place.

In general, Morse is from Colorado Springs. (But not in my district) It's the only red county left in Colorado. Many many gun right people went to the Capital to voice their opposition to gun control, but were not allowed in. Most Sheriffs were against it, but were not allowed to address the legislature. They only allowed "EXPERTS" to testify... which somehow some guy from Arizona who is an astronaut got to be a "Gun Expert". That one really irked me.

So they may be able to get enough sigs to do a recall, but I do not see them getting enough to toss him. Californians have inundated the state, and are ruining a perfectly good one, because they had to flee from a completely broken one... you know, the one they broke.

Just one example.... there was a push to ban CCW holders from carrying on college campuses... you have to be over 21 to get a permit. So, that would mean a war vet could come back, get out, be over 21, have a concealed carry permit, and not be allowed to carry..... but, if you are an ILLEGAL alien, you get in state tuition.Undecided

That one did not pass, but it was very close and they fought hard... but of course the instate tuition and drivers licenses for illegals passed no problem.

2013-05-12 12:36 PM
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jmk-brooklyn - 2013-05-12 6:17 AM
Pector55 - 2013-05-12 8:00 AM
jmk-brooklyn - 2013-05-11 5:40 PM
Pector55 - 2013-05-11 2:18 PM

Picked up UTS15's last night.  I'm hoping to provide a range report by Monday.  Definitely a cool setup but I know that some earlier versions were questionable in terms of reliability.

Wow, I bet you could bag epic numbers of waterfowl with one of those. That's what it's for, right?

 

Why do you hate nature?

How dare you? I love nature. Especially once I hit it with some dry rub and leave it in the smoker for a few hours. Mmmm....nature....

 

Well played sir.

 

I'd just like to add that meat is MURDER,,,,,,,,,,, tasty tasty murder.

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jmk-brooklyn - 2013-05-12 9:17 AM
Pector55 - 2013-05-12 8:00 AM
jmk-brooklyn - 2013-05-11 5:40 PM
Pector55 - 2013-05-11 2:18 PM

Picked up UTS15's last night.  I'm hoping to provide a range report by Monday.  Definitely a cool setup but I know that some earlier versions were questionable in terms of reliability.

Wow, I bet you could bag epic numbers of waterfowl with one of those. That's what it's for, right?

 

Why do you hate nature?

How dare you? I love nature. Especially once I hit it with some dry rub and leave it in the smoker for a few hours. Mmmm....nature....

I laughed  ;-)

While I am a hunter, I also fish and this is the time of year where I get to see the geese out with their babies and if you have ever watched a family of geese, they really are one of my favorites.  I've never eaten goose.  I've heard mixed reviews on it but like you, I have a smoker and I would try it using that route.

Honestly though, I bought this particular gun for it's unique design.  The concept is fantastic and it's based upon a South African Neostead shotgun.  For law enforcement and home defense you can flip between which magazine tube you wish to use.  You could load 7 non-lethal 2-3/4" shells on the right and if the intruder refused to flee, you could flip to 00 buck on the left.  The bullpup design shortens the weapon, making maneuverability excellent inside the home.  I like the use of a shotgun in the house because I don't worry about shot penetrating my neighbor's home should I ever need to use it.

I will be keeping one and selling one so I can add a Kel-Teck KSG to the collection.  The geese are 100% safe.  

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