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2013-04-05 4:06 PM

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Subject: Gel alternative

So I was in target today and I picked up a package of organic fruit things.  They are supposed to be for kids I think and are apple sauce based but at 70 calories each I thought they might be a good alternative to gels, which I don't care for.  I know lots of people have strict eating habits and/or allergies and thought this might represent an alternative to people with dietary issues.  No added sugar the only ingredients are organic fruit.  I have seen these for some time but usually they have been on the big side.  These were not too big to carry



2013-04-05 10:21 PM
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Are they like little packets of fruit snacks?
2013-04-06 12:31 AM
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There's a good thread in the nutrition forum on this. Check it out...
2013-04-06 7:25 AM
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I have ten month old and now Gerber and several others makes baby food in pouches. I was thinking the exact thing the other day. Some of them are quite tasty.
2013-04-06 9:04 AM
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JZig - 2013-04-05 10:21 PM Are they like little packets of fruit snacks?

No its called organic fruit smash.  Its nearly a liquid and comes in a little pouch similar to a gel.  the package is a little bigger than a gel but looks portable. 

2013-04-06 5:12 PM
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So it basically equivalent to apple sauce,or some other kind of fruit "sauce"?


2013-04-06 7:40 PM
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peteweb55403 - 2013-04-06 5:12 PM So it basically equivalent to apple sauce,or some other kind of fruit "sauce"?

Kind of.  Its apple based but the one I got has blueberries and strawberries too.  They had a bunch of different flavors

2013-04-06 7:44 PM
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What is the name of it?  brand/label?
2013-04-06 7:55 PM
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Anything "apple" usually means the manufacturer is taking the least expensive fruit they can find and sprinkling some blueberry or strawberry flakes in it. Most 100% real fruit juice juices are apple juice based. If apples or apple juice are the first ingredient, I usually leave it on the shelf. A non liquid (gel) alternative I've used before is home made fruit leather. Lots of recipes on line. You can put all kinds of fruits in it. Takes some time to make, but well worth the effort.
2013-04-06 8:18 PM
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DV 1 - 2013-04-06 7:55 PM Anything "apple" usually means the manufacturer is taking the least expensive fruit they can find and sprinkling some blueberry or strawberry flakes in it. Most 100% real fruit juice juices are apple juice based. If apples or apple juice are the first ingredient, I usually leave it on the shelf. A non liquid (gel) alternative I've used before is home made fruit leather. Lots of recipes on line. You can put all kinds of fruits in it. Takes some time to make, but well worth the effort.

Its 100% organic and the ONLY ingredients are apples, blueberries and strawberries

2013-04-06 10:25 PM
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DV 1 - 2013-04-06 5:55 PMAnything "apple" usually means the manufacturer is taking the least expensive fruit they can find and sprinkling some blueberry or strawberry flakes in it. Most 100% real fruit juice juices are apple juice based. If apples or apple juice are the first ingredient, I usually leave it on the shelf. A non liquid (gel) alternative I've used before is home made fruit leather. Lots of recipes on line. You can put all kinds of fruits in it. Takes some time to make, but well worth the effort.


You say this as if apples were a bad thing...

Most juices are mostly apple or white grape based. If they weren't they'd cost a fortune. Have you ever seen how much a jar of pure cranberry juice costs? Its like $10 for a 32oz bottle AND it tastes like crap. I can only imagine how expensive pure blueberry/raspberry juice would be.


2013-04-06 11:07 PM
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Yes, my son eats and loves these.

 

Basically, think applesauce with a small amount of other fruit/veggie puree in a squeezable foil pouch about 2x-3x as big as a gel pack.  Very portable, very tasty.  gram for gram cheaper than "rapid energy sports gels"

 

For example, my 4 year old son loves the trader joe's apple carrot, apple banana, and apple strawberry "crushers". They are each 3.17 oz (90g) and come in a 4 pack for 2.99 ($0.75 each).  Each pouch is 60 calories and the ingredients are just fruit, fruit juice concentrate and ascorbic acid (vitamin C as preservative)

 

The Hammer Gel is 32.9 grams for usually about $1.00 and 90 calories and contains sugar, water, fruit puree, fruit juice, amino acids, ascorbic acid, and salt (electrolytes

That works out to be $0.008 per gram trader joes vs. hammer $0.03 per gram or roughly 4x more expensive per gram.  

 
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Calorie for calorie the Trader Joes is $0.75 for 60cal or 0.0125 per calorie or $1.25 per 100 calories.  The Hammer is 1.00 for 90 calories so 0.0111 per calorie or $1.11 per 100 calories.

 

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so clearly, the Hammer Gel is more calorie dense and contains more electrolytes and other additives and is also more expensive per unit. I figure I could carry about 2 Hammer gels in the same space I could carrry 1 trader joe's fruit crusher getting about 180 calories vs. 60 calories but spending about $2.00 vs $0.75.

 

Basically, it comes down to a question between space and money.  If you have more money than space  get the gel.  If you have more space and less money, go with the fruit puree pouches.



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2013-04-07 5:12 AM
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They were giving them out as free samples at the supermarket a couple weeks ago. Very tasty. I was actually thinking the same thing as you, especially as a snack to stick in the bento box for HIM and IM distance races.
2013-04-07 8:35 AM
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BrianRunsPhilly - 2013-04-07 5:12 AM They were giving them out as free samples at the supermarket a couple weeks ago. Very tasty. I was actually thinking the same thing as you, especially as a snack to stick in the bento box for HIM and IM distance races.

Exactly.  Personally I hate the taste of most gels (too sweet) and their consistency (too slimy).  These pouches are a bit bigger but smaller than some others I have seen.  the one I got has 70 calories and came in a 6 pack.  Also I know there are a lot of people out there with food allergies/food sensitivities who have troube finding gels they can use and since the one I got has ONLY fruit I thought I would share an alternative. 

2013-04-07 10:22 AM
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The biggest problem with using fruit as your carb source is that it is primarily (if not exclusively) fructose.  Fructose generally causes more stomach issues than other sugars (especially if not combined with other sugars).  As long as you are not overly sensitive, it might be OK to use as an addition to other fuel sources.  But I would be pretty cautious about relying on it completely for longer training/racing.
2013-04-07 11:41 AM
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JohnnyKay - 2013-04-07 8:22 AM The biggest problem with using fruit as your carb source is that it is primarily (if not exclusively) fructose.  Fructose generally causes more stomach issues than other sugars (especially if not combined with other sugars).  As long as you are not overly sensitive, it might be OK to use as an addition to other fuel sources.  But I would be pretty cautious about relying on it completely for longer training/racing.

It also gets metabolized by your liver, which is slower.

If you want natural complex carbs, look for some of the Allen Lim videos on youtube.  Potatoes, rice bars, things like that:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nwt-DUpKPYA



2013-04-07 11:56 AM
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Add me to the group that loves those things for training!  I'm not sure I would race with them, but for a 2 hour trainer workout I really enjoy the applesauce squeezes.  I love the taste and don't eat much fruit so it's more nutritious than a Gu. 

(and Apple-Carrot from trader joe's is my fave!  I have some knockoffs from el cheapo supermarket in my fridge now and they're not nearly as delicious.

2013-04-07 12:22 PM
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JZig - 2013-04-06 11:25 PM
DV 1 - 2013-04-06 5:55 PMAnything "apple" usually means the manufacturer is taking the least expensive fruit they can find and sprinkling some blueberry or strawberry flakes in it. Most 100% real fruit juice juices are apple juice based. If apples or apple juice are the first ingredient, I usually leave it on the shelf. A non liquid (gel) alternative I've used before is home made fruit leather. Lots of recipes on line. You can put all kinds of fruits in it. Takes some time to make, but well worth the effort.


You say this as if apples were a bad thing...

Most juices are mostly apple or white grape based. If they weren't they'd cost a fortune. Have you ever seen how much a jar of pure cranberry juice costs? Its like $10 for a 32oz bottle AND it tastes like crap. I can only imagine how expensive pure blueberry/raspberry juice would be.
I love apples. Organic Honey Crisps are a staple in our house. Add some peanut or almond butter and I'll come running. My issue is with labels and marketing schemes that trick consumers into thinking they're getting higher quality fruits (blueberries, raspberries, cranberries, blackberries, strawberries, etc...) in any significant quantity, when the majority of the concentrate contents are apples; or grapes; or carrots. As unrefined and unprocessed as possible is how I roll when given the choice. I won't even by juices from concentrate due to the extra two steps of processing required. My wife and I each take a shot of pure blueberry, cranberry, concord grape, or other antioxidant rich 100% not from concentrate organic juice each morning. It is expensive, anywhere from $6-9 per 32oz bottle, but I'd rather pay $6 a bottle for 100% blueberry juice than $3.50 for "Blueberry Juice" that's actually a 70-90% apple juice blend depending on the manufacturer. I'm just saying ... know what you're paying for. Read labels. That single serve fruit pouch you pay $1.50 for, or whatever they cost, is likely pretty expensive apple sauce once you deconstruct the marketing nonsense and packaging/processing expense that goes in to making it. The more you learn about labels and FDA requirements for terms like all natural, artificial favors, etc..., the more whole, unprocessed foods you'll start eating. Off my soap box now getting ready to throw a few hammer gels in my jersey and head out for a three hour ride.
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