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2013-05-06 2:42 PM
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RussTKD - 2013-05-06 11:49 AM

My sarcasm wasn't coming through.

 

If/when this goes into effect, webhosting companies and the like will have software packages for mom&pop internet storefronts that will automatically reference tax rates for a zip code to a database.  The overhead for the store owner will be nil.

 

I'm pretty confident the payments to the various locales will be simplified as well.

 

It's a non-issue.

 

For the record, I understand the reason for this proposal.  But for selfish reasons I don't like it.  I begrudgingly support it.

What you should note is that Amazon knew this was coming sooner or later. They resisted to slow it down while they developed exactly the kind of service you are talking about. Automated handling of sales tax for e-commerce sites. I don't know what their pricing model will be, but either way, Amazon still wins.

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2013-05-06 2:45 PM
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RussTKD - 2013-05-06 1:49 PM

My sarcasm wasn't coming through.

 

If/when this goes into effect, webhosting companies and the like will have software packages for mom&pop internet storefronts that will automatically reference tax rates for a zip code to a database.  The overhead for the store owner will be nil.

 

I'm pretty confident the payments to the various locales will be simplified as well.

 

It's a non-issue.

 

For the record, I understand the reason for this proposal.  But for selfish reasons I don't like it.  I begrudgingly support it.

Are states providing the software, updates, support, and so on for free?

What if an update is wrong and put the business out of compliance for the New York State tax? Who is at fault...who pays the fine and the cost to deal with the New York State revenue service.

I think it is a lot more than a non issue.

 

 

2013-05-06 2:52 PM
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mr2tony - 2013-05-06 12:17 PM Just another way the administration is trying to keep small business owners from surviving.

You have to do a million dollars of business in a state to be subject to collecting taxes.  Once you do that, I don't know that you are a "small business" anymore.  

Where did you get this?  I had to collect tax from day one in my business.  It took us 3 years before we hit $1 million.

According to the SBA you can have sales up to $25 million depending on your classification and still be a small business.  Sales <> profits...

I got it from a news article about the bill on internet sales tax.  My understanding is that you will only need to collect sales tax in a state if you sell a million dollars worth of stuff in that state.  

OK yes I found it in the bill.  This is specific to that bill for internet sales.  Different from physical businesses.

Still  $1M in revenue is not much, especially in retail.

2013-05-07 8:34 AM
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spudone - 2013-05-06 2:42 PM
What you should note is that Amazon knew this was coming sooner or later. They resisted to slow it down while they developed exactly the kind of service you are talking about. Automated handling of sales tax for e-commerce sites. I don't know what their pricing model will be, but either way, Amazon still wins.

 

In every difficulty exists opportunity.  There's a reason Jeff Bezos is a Bazillionaire.

2013-05-07 8:45 AM
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Found this on HuffPo:

 

Supporters say the bill makes it relatively easy for Internet retailers to comply. States must provide free computer software to help retailers calculate sales taxes, based on where shoppers live. States must also establish a single entity to receive Internet sales tax revenue, so retailers don't have to send it to individual counties or cities.

 

2013-05-07 9:08 AM
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AcesFull - 2013-05-06 2:03 PM
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AcesFull - 2013-05-06 2:06 PM

mr2tony - 2013-05-06 12:17 PM Just another way the administration is trying to keep small business owners from surviving.

You have to do a million dollars of business in a state to be subject to collecting taxes.  Once you do that, I don't know that you are a "small business" anymore.  

Where did you get this?  I had to collect tax from day one in my business.  It took us 3 years before we hit $1 million.

According to the SBA you can have sales up to $25 million depending on your classification and still be a small business.  Sales <> profits...

I got it from a news article about the bill on internet sales tax.  My understanding is that you will only need to collect sales tax in a state if you sell a million dollars worth of stuff in that state.  

But there are states called "Unitary States" that require you to disclose all of your revenues on your tax forms. I don't fully understand it, but I take it that this would cause businesses that do very little in one state but a lot in another state to have to make the same filings in each state.  

Our company has assets in 29 states and we pay millions each year doing audits and filings to make sure we don't break any individual state tax laws.  I can't see mom and pop internet company competing with that if that's what the bill does. 



2013-05-07 9:49 AM
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tuwood - 2013-05-06 1:12 PM  I'm not an economics major so I can only speak for myself.  For mid sized purchases (TV's, electronics, computers, etc...) I typically shop around locally to figure out what I want to buy.  I then go online and find the best price from a reputable source.  Depending on the purchase there may or may not be shipping involved, but the price is usually cheap enough to cover the shipping so my cost savings is often just the sales tax difference and possibly a little more.

What are you going to do when all the brick and mortar stores are gone and you can't visit local shops to figure out what you want to buy?

2013-05-07 9:50 AM
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I used the cops today.  They were on the side of the road reminding me not to go above the speed limit.  I see them several times a week.

 

Wouldn't it make more sense you pay sales tax of the tax your buying from and not the state you are in?

2013-05-07 9:52 AM
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Tony you have Nebraska Furniture Mart. That place is always the least expensive! If it's not, you can negotiate the price. C'monnn you're an Omahan, you should know this!
2013-05-07 9:55 AM
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chirunner134 - 2013-05-07 10:50 AM

Wouldn't it make more sense you pay sales tax of the tax your buying from and not the state you are in?

No. For the same reason when you buy a car you pay the sales tax rate in your home county vs the county where you purchase the vehicle.

2013-05-07 10:06 AM
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mr2tony - 2013-05-07 9:52 AM Tony you have Nebraska Furniture Mart. That place is always the least expensive! If it's not, you can negotiate the price. C'monnn you're an Omahan, you should know this!

No they are not the best price in town, let alone internet pricing, and they don't come down much at all on anything anymore.  Sometimes they will match another, but not beat them.  They also used to deliver up to 60 miles for free and would be in that town every 2 to 3 days and now it is $$$$ to have them deliver and they come every two weeks (maybe).

 

 



2013-05-07 10:45 AM
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mr2tony - 2013-05-07 9:52 AM Tony you have Nebraska Furniture Mart. That place is always the least expensive! If it's not, you can negotiate the price. C'monnn you're an Omahan, you should know this!

No they are not the best price in town, let alone internet pricing, and they don't come down much at all on anything anymore.  Sometimes they will match another, but not beat them.  They also used to deliver up to 60 miles for free and would be in that town every 2 to 3 days and now it is $$$$ to have them deliver and they come every two weeks (maybe).

 

 



Wow I wouldn't have guessed that. Back in the day you could get them to come down a lot on price and they would always match internet pricing. They're getting big with their monstrous stores in KC and soon Dallas.
2013-05-07 11:23 AM
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I think it's another way for the Gov't to get their greedy little paws into something and to steal more souls, as if they don't have anything better to do.
2013-05-07 3:25 PM
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TriRSquared - 2013-05-07 9:55 AM
chirunner134 - 2013-05-07 10:50 AM

Wouldn't it make more sense you pay sales tax of the tax your buying from and not the state you are in?

No. For the same reason when you buy a car you pay the sales tax rate in your home county vs the county where you purchase the vehicle.

well that really doesn't explain why it's not a valid idea though.    As someone that lived within a couple of miles to the state border, we would often drive across state lines to buy just about anything.  No one asked us where we lived to charge us the correct tax rate.   In fact we often would drive over to PA from Ohio to buy clothes and other things since the tax rate was lower.

While I'm not going to look up data, I would feel safe guessing that cars are pretty far down on the list of items that are bought over state lines, and it's more smaller items

2013-05-07 3:44 PM
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Gaarryy - 2013-05-07 4:25 PM
TriRSquared - 2013-05-07 9:55 AM
chirunner134 - 2013-05-07 10:50 AM

Wouldn't it make more sense you pay sales tax of the tax your buying from and not the state you are in?

No. For the same reason when you buy a car you pay the sales tax rate in your home county vs the county where you purchase the vehicle.

well that really doesn't explain why it's not a valid idea though.    As someone that lived within a couple of miles to the state border, we would often drive across state lines to buy just about anything.  No one asked us where we lived to charge us the correct tax rate.   In fact we often would drive over to PA from Ohio to buy clothes and other things since the tax rate was lower.

While I'm not going to look up data, I would feel safe guessing that cars are pretty far down on the list of items that are bought over state lines, and it's more smaller items

When you buy a pack of gum you don't have to produce ID to show where you live.  Besides the amount of tax is small.

When you buy an auto you do have to show them where you live since you will register the vehicle.  It creates an easy way for your country to get the tax.  And the amount of tax is typically in the $1000s

When you buy things online you are shipping them to an address, again another easy way to track where the taxes should be sent.

It's a benefit/pain analysis.  They go for the big ticket, easy to track items.

2013-05-07 4:07 PM
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TriRSquared - 2013-05-07 3:44 PM
Gaarryy - 2013-05-07 4:25 PM
TriRSquared - 2013-05-07 9:55 AM
chirunner134 - 2013-05-07 10:50 AM

Wouldn't it make more sense you pay sales tax of the tax your buying from and not the state you are in?

No. For the same reason when you buy a car you pay the sales tax rate in your home county vs the county where you purchase the vehicle.

well that really doesn't explain why it's not a valid idea though.    As someone that lived within a couple of miles to the state border, we would often drive across state lines to buy just about anything.  No one asked us where we lived to charge us the correct tax rate.   In fact we often would drive over to PA from Ohio to buy clothes and other things since the tax rate was lower.

While I'm not going to look up data, I would feel safe guessing that cars are pretty far down on the list of items that are bought over state lines, and it's more smaller items

When you buy a pack of gum you don't have to produce ID to show where you live.  Besides the amount of tax is small.

When you buy an auto you do have to show them where you live since you will register the vehicle.  It creates an easy way for your country to get the tax.  And the amount of tax is typically in the $1000s

When you buy things online you are shipping them to an address, again another easy way to track where the taxes should be sent.

It's a benefit/pain analysis.  They go for the big ticket, easy to track items.

Hmm, is the tax generated based on shipping address or billing address?



2013-05-07 4:25 PM
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TriRSquared - 2013-05-07 3:44 PM
Gaarryy - 2013-05-07 4:25 PM
TriRSquared - 2013-05-07 9:55 AM
chirunner134 - 2013-05-07 10:50 AM

Wouldn't it make more sense you pay sales tax of the tax your buying from and not the state you are in?

No. For the same reason when you buy a car you pay the sales tax rate in your home county vs the county where you purchase the vehicle.

well that really doesn't explain why it's not a valid idea though.    As someone that lived within a couple of miles to the state border, we would often drive across state lines to buy just about anything.  No one asked us where we lived to charge us the correct tax rate.   In fact we often would drive over to PA from Ohio to buy clothes and other things since the tax rate was lower.

While I'm not going to look up data, I would feel safe guessing that cars are pretty far down on the list of items that are bought over state lines, and it's more smaller items

When you buy a pack of gum you don't have to produce ID to show where you live.  Besides the amount of tax is small.

When you buy an auto you do have to show them where you live since you will register the vehicle.  It creates an easy way for your country to get the tax.  And the amount of tax is typically in the $1000s

When you buy things online you are shipping them to an address, again another easy way to track where the taxes should be sent.

It's a benefit/pain analysis.  They go for the big ticket, easy to track items.

 

a tax is a tax regardless of the cost. 

It would be easy to just calculate the cost from where the items was bought at, that is the simplest method out there and the one being used pretty much all over for brick/mortar store.

I'm wondering if this will create any confusion at Christmas time when people buy something online but have it shipped to someone else in a different state?

2013-05-08 6:51 AM
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wingsfan - 2013-05-07 5:07 PM

Hmm, is the tax generated based on shipping address or billing address?

We sell machinery (costs WAY more than a car) and in our world we charge sales tax by the shipping address as the billing address might be some corporate office in another state.

2013-05-08 6:53 AM
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Gaarryy - 2013-05-07 5:25 PM
TriRSquared - 2013-05-07 3:44 PM
Gaarryy - 2013-05-07 4:25 PM
TriRSquared - 2013-05-07 9:55 AM
chirunner134 - 2013-05-07 10:50 AM

Wouldn't it make more sense you pay sales tax of the tax your buying from and not the state you are in?

No. For the same reason when you buy a car you pay the sales tax rate in your home county vs the county where you purchase the vehicle.

well that really doesn't explain why it's not a valid idea though.    As someone that lived within a couple of miles to the state border, we would often drive across state lines to buy just about anything.  No one asked us where we lived to charge us the correct tax rate.   In fact we often would drive over to PA from Ohio to buy clothes and other things since the tax rate was lower.

While I'm not going to look up data, I would feel safe guessing that cars are pretty far down on the list of items that are bought over state lines, and it's more smaller items

When you buy a pack of gum you don't have to produce ID to show where you live.  Besides the amount of tax is small.

When you buy an auto you do have to show them where you live since you will register the vehicle.  It creates an easy way for your country to get the tax.  And the amount of tax is typically in the $1000s

When you buy things online you are shipping them to an address, again another easy way to track where the taxes should be sent.

It's a benefit/pain analysis.  They go for the big ticket, easy to track items.

a tax is a tax regardless of the cost. 

It would be easy to just calculate the cost from where the items was bought at, that is the simplest method out there and the one being used pretty much all over for brick/mortar store.

I'm wondering if this will create any confusion at Christmas time when people buy something online but have it shipped to someone else in a different state?

I'm telling you how it works and why it's that way.  I didn't invent the system.

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