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2006-08-28 4:19 PM

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If the glove does not fit, you must acquit...

Oh wait wrong trial.... Karr DNA does not match, Boulder DA is not pursuing any further..

http://news.yahoo.com/fc/US/JonBenet_Ramsey_Murder

Apparently that is one way to get a free first class plane ride to the US when you want to come home from another country...



2006-08-28 4:21 PM
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Figures.

Does anyone know why a DNA test takes so long? Why didn't they test it there before they brought him home?

2006-08-28 4:23 PM
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If you ask me, Kerr was pretty dang smart.  US prison possibly, or definitely Thai prison?  I'd make something up too to get out of the country..... He avoided trouble in Thailand by claiming to be the murderer and has now been cleared of that suspicion, yet here he sits, safely in US borders.  Doubtful that the US is gonna send him back to Thailand to face those charges......
2006-08-28 5:41 PM
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benton4 - 2006-08-28 4:23 PM If you ask me, Kerr was pretty dang smart.  US prison possibly, or definitely Thai prison? 

Yup, crazy like a fox.  And flew to safety in business class, no less.

2006-08-28 5:45 PM
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great just what we need here: another crazy dude that likes little girls on the loose.
2006-08-28 8:03 PM
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jmwebs - 2006-08-28 6:45 PM great just what we need here: another crazy dude that likes little girls on the loose.

He won't be on the loose, cause he has charges pending in LA for having kiddie porn onhis computer.

Also, he's been getting a ton of free publicity for the book he's getting ready to release. 



2006-08-28 9:58 PM
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DNA doesn't take too long to run. It's just a few hours. The hard part is taking the unknwon sample from the crime scene and developing a DNA profile. Since the murder technology found a way to copy DNA (called PCR). Now there's enough to test.

The problem that they probably faced here is getting the known sample from Karr. He was in a foreign country where Colorado didn't have jurisdiction to take a sample. They could have taken a consent sample and flown in back to the US. Or they could have asked Thailand to take a sample and send it back.

Comet - 2006-08-28 5:21 PM

Figures.

Does anyone know why a DNA test takes so long? Why didn't they test it there before they brought him home?

2006-08-28 10:03 PM
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yeah. John Karr gave me hope that maybe Nicole brown simpson's murder would be found and oj would finally be off the hook.
2006-08-28 10:41 PM
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I think we need to send his back then get what is left of him when they are done, but I’m compassionate like that.
2006-08-28 11:06 PM
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What kills me is I read on Yahoo that the governor of Colorado gave the DA's office heck for spending the money to bring him back unneccesarily (sp). As if any gov't agency hasn't spent money far more frivolously????? I can imagine that asking Thailand to get the sample would be difficult at best.  Maintaining the chain of evidence would be a nightmare.

2006-08-29 3:29 AM
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Screw chain of evidance...get a preliminary sample and if it matches then send him and THEN get a formal/real test done once in the states...if not, just leave him to rot in Thailand.

Instead we now have a soon to be rich/porn kiddie/liar running around in our country and we have only ourselves to thank.  Not to mention all the sicko's who plan to purchase said book that will make him rich.

I say we convict him on something (lying, computer kiddie porn, whatever) and ship him right back.



2006-08-29 5:39 AM
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I would rather see him rot but at least he is being sent to CA to face child porn charges tho i have little faith that CA will put him away for long we just do not value the safety or the lives of our children very much in our country. That is why child murderers get off so easy.
2006-08-29 6:52 AM
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Child porn is a federal offense. Thus, he should be getting tried by the US Attorney and not the State of California. I don't know what the sentencing guidelines are for him. However, the max was just raised from 15 - 20 years for transmitting child porn through interstate communication.
2006-08-29 7:35 AM
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On one of the morning shows, they were just saying that he only had misdemeanor charges pending ... is that possible?
2006-08-29 7:37 AM
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1 Foot The Other - 2006-08-29 8:35 AM On one of the morning shows, they were just saying that he only had misdemeanor charges pending ... is that possible?

I don't know, but downloading kiddie porn images off the net does sound like a misdemeanor-level offense.

2006-08-29 9:35 AM
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They announced today he will get maybe a year for the kiddie porn charges...


2006-08-29 9:38 AM
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He has charged for child pornography here in Sonoma County.  Ew. 
2006-08-29 11:31 AM
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Transmitting Kiddie Porn via the internet is a felony.
2006-08-29 11:49 AM
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berlinsd - 2006-08-29 12:31 PM Transmitting Kiddie Porn via the internet is a felony.

Sending (as in distributing) it is, but I'm not sure downloading it is. I could be wrong.

2006-08-29 3:18 PM
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The following link is to a story that still says misdemeanor charges ... I don't understand the law, I guess.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060829/ap_on_re_us/jonbenet_ramsey_456

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2006-08-29 3:45 PM
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Here's the story in the local paper.

 

Sonoma County D.A. wants Karr to face child porn charges from '01

By LORI A. CARTER
THE PRESS DEMOCRAT


Sonoma County authorities will seek to have John Mark Karr extradited to California to face child pornography charges on hold since he failed to appear for a court hearing five years ago.

District Attorney Stephan Passalacqua said the decision was made Monday after Colorado authorities dropped their case against Karr in the JonBenet Ramsey killing.

Karr, a one-time substitute teacher in Petaluma area schools, is wanted on a no-bail warrant issued by a Sonoma County judge after he failed to appear at a December 2001 court hearing in a misdemeanor child pornography case.

Sheriff's detectives said they found five photos of children in sexual situations on a computer seized from Karr's Petaluma residence in April 2001.

If convicted, Karr, 41, may not face any more jail time than he served in 2001, but he would be required to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life.

That led to the unusual, and potentially expensive, move to extradite a defendant charged with a misdemeanor, Passalacqua said.

"This is an unusual case, which warrants unusual actions," he said .

"The main purpose for extraditing Mr. Karr is the fact that any defendant convicted of these types of charges will have to register as a sex offender," Passalacqua said. "That is a very significant consequence. We take child pornography very serious and expect that to happen in this case."

Karr spent about six months in jail fighting the charges after his April 2001 arrest. Held on $100,000 bail, an unusually high figure for a misdemeanor case, he sought to have evidence dismissed and bail reduced for months.

After six months in custody, a judge freed Karr on supervised release, conditioned on him staying away from children and computers and checking in with his probation officer. At some point, he violated those terms, court records show, and a judge issued a warrant for his arrest.

He failed to appear for the December 2001 court hearing and the case was shelved pending the warrant.

Some court records from the case were sealed after Karr's arrest in Thailand. A motion by The Press Democrat and other news organizations to reopen the records was scheduled for Monday but postponed until today.

Karr's arrest in 2001 in Sonoma County followed a sheriff's investigation into his apparent obsession with young female sexual-assault and murder victims.

In taped and e-mail conversations with a sheriff's informant in early 2001, Karr related having what he called a "psychic connection" with Ramsey and Petaluma kidnap-murder victim Polly Klaas.

At the time, detectives were primarily interested in Karr in connection with the unsolved 1997 murder of Georgia Moses, 12, whose body was found dumped along the southbound Highway 101 entrance ramp at Petaluma Boulevard . No one has been arrested in her killing.

Karr turned out not to be a "viable suspect" in Moses' death, sheriff's official said. They said they alerted Boulder, Colo., authorities to Karr's unusual fascination with the Ramsey case.

Passalacqua said it probably will be the first or second week of September before Karr appears in a Sonoma County court. Other lawyers said it could take longer.

Boulder authorities set an extradition hearing for today. If he waives extradition, Sonoma County sheriff's investigators would travel to Colorado to bring Karr to the c ounty.

If Karr fights extradition, the governor's office would issue a warrant to Colorado authorities seeking his transfer. A judge then would determine if Karr should be extradited.

The process could take a month, Sonoma County Public Defender John Abrahams said.

Once back in Sonoma County, Karr would appear before a judge, a defense attorney probably would be appointed at public expense. A public defender represented Karr in his 2001 case.

Court dates to clear the warrant and hear the pornography case would be set at that time.

"As soon as he gets here, one of our attorneys will be up to talk to him," Abrahams said. "At this point, he has two options: go to trial on the charges or plead guilty. It's totally up to him, as it is with any person charged with a crime."

County Sheriff Bill Cogbill said he supports bringing Karr back to stand trial on the misdemeanor charges.

"These kinds of cases are very serious - frankly, I think they should be a felony - and we owe it to ourselves and our kids to see that justice is carried out in this case," he said. "I'm not saying he's guilty, but we do have a very strong case."

 



2006-08-29 8:13 PM
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It's interesting about him being charged with a misdemeanor and in state court. The article says that the child pornography was on his computer. However, it doesn't mention transmission. Thus, if someone has pictures but there isn't an interstate nexus (e.g. transmission through the internet) then there is no federal crime.

I also find the date of importance. It's 2001 if I'm not mistaken. I'm not sure how hip the child porn laws were at the time.

10 USC 2252a would definitely qualify if he had that interstate nexus.

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