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2017-10-12 12:03 PM


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Hi all,

I've been an amateur triathlete for about 8 years. I've completed a dozen or so triathlons, ranging from sprints to two half iron distances. I train 5-8 hours a week in an aerobic zone. I'm 33, 5'8", 145 lbs, non smoker, and normal blood pressure.

I've always had a high aerobic heart rate. A very normal workout puts me in the 150s or 160s. A short hill climb can put me into the 190s. I use a Garmin chest strap to measure HR with my Garmin Foretunner logging the data.

Is that a concern? Whenever I read about high heart rate during exercise the answer is "it'll get better as you get into shape", but mine hasn't changed for years despite constant training.

Thoughts?

Thanks in advance!


2017-10-12 12:05 PM
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Apologies for the typo in the header...
2017-10-12 12:09 PM
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I should also mention that my resting HR (according to my Forerunner) is in the mid to high 60s.
2017-10-12 1:32 PM
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Have you seen what HR does over a 5k or 10k? Or bike of similar duration? Or a type of HR test, like for Lactate Threshold? That would be more telling. I'm a few years older than you, but can do what you said too. Though 190 is getting near max effort. I tend to go a little lower for "normal" though. It's common for people to go a bit too high on that to feel like they're getting something out of every workout, but not necessarily in their best interests for more development. Until they learn better at least. That's why the races or the test would be more helpful.

2017-10-12 1:43 PM
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I haven't done a race in a while, but ran 10k a few days ago and saw the usual (a comfortable pace puts my HR around 150-160, a hill or sprint pushes it much higher).

I haven't done a lactate threshold test, think that might tell me something?
2017-10-12 3:02 PM
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My resting HR is lower than yours, but tends to be like yours in workouts and races. Normal easy run for me, HR will be anywhere from 149-160. During a race, not unusual to see avg creep up near 190. 

Hope to see some good responses, given our similarities.



2017-10-12 3:14 PM
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Here's an example. This is ~1hr spent cycling on rollers. I'd say this was a light to moderate perceived effort.

https://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/2083886031
2017-10-13 6:55 AM
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Heart rate is highly individual. I'm 43 and race somewhere around 178-182. And my max HR is 196.
2017-10-13 7:28 AM
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Without a best effort of appropriate duration, it's all just playing around in the mud.

2017-10-13 8:54 AM
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My RHR is in the low 40s when I'm in good shape, aerobic HR is 110-125 depending on the sport, and I max out around 160 on the run and mid 150s on the bike.  My wife is completely different, RHR around 65, can get her HR up into the 190s when doing anaerobic work.

Lots of genetic factors at play here, you'll never know for sure unless you do some measured testing (like LT described ablove).

 

2017-10-13 6:50 PM
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Got it, lactate threshold testing is in my near future. Thanks very much for all the feedback, I'll be back soon with more info!


2017-10-16 9:01 AM
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Originally posted by TStorm Got it, lactate threshold testing is in my near future. Thanks very much for all the feedback, I'll be back soon with more info!
You don't need to do a lab test for this, the simple field test(s) will do, have fun! 

http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/cms/article-detail.asp?articleid=633

2017-10-19 12:54 PM
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Any thoughts on using a Garmin Forerunner's "Lactate Threshold Guided Test"? Are results reasonable?
2017-11-28 10:35 AM
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Update: I've done several lactate threshold tests with my Garmin, the results are pretty consistent and the average of those tests is 169.

That sounds high, but it feels right. Exercising in the ~160bpm range feels like a workout; the previous "aerobic" zone that my Garmin suggested, using the default settings, was around ~140 and that always felt like a very light exercise.

What's a normal/expected range for the lactate threshold? What does a higher threshold mean?
2017-12-02 9:26 AM
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Originally posted by TStorm Update: I've done several lactate threshold tests with my Garmin, the results are pretty consistent and the average of those tests is 169. That sounds high, but it feels right. Exercising in the ~160bpm range feels like a workout; the previous "aerobic" zone that my Garmin suggested, using the default settings, was around ~140 and that always felt like a very light exercise. What's a normal/expected range for the lactate threshold? What does a higher threshold mean?
There may have been a thread on BT in the past where people posted their LTHR.  It's a distribution so who knows what's the middle unless you have a very large sample size.  Mine is ~176 for running.  I once had a training partner that was in the high 180's.  Based on the zones calc'd for 169, what you described fit.

1 - Recovery 112 - 143

2 - Extensive Endurance 144 - 153

3 - Intensive Endurance 154 - 161

4 - Sub-Threshold 162 - 168

5a - SuperThreshold 169 - 172

 

2017-12-02 1:17 PM
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I'm with you. I'm 47 and not uncommon to race at 180 bpm, I actually feel good at this point and can go for hours. I put my max HR at 200 and can reach that on a hard short interval. But typically on the run I stay 170-180 and bike a little less 160-170.


2017-12-02 5:27 PM
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Those are very similar to my HR zones when in decent run shape. I think my threshold has ranged from 171 to 173 on various tests, probably depending on how hot it was. Heart rate is very individual. Women, younger people, and smaller people tend to have somewhat higher "max" and threshold rates, regardless of fitness. Not always true but in general it is. That's why some programs will use a "220- your age = max" rule of thumb. You are not that tall/heavy, and probably younger than many on this forum--thus a somewhat higher heart rate than what others report.

160's "feels like a workout" because that is your tempo pace. However, most of your running (long runs, "normal" steady runs to build endurance) should be in Z2, not Z3. Many runners make this mistake. Tempo is often described as "feel-good fast". People often do it when they should be running in Z2, because they feel like they're "not getting a workout" if they go at Z2 pace. Then they're too tired to hit Z4 when doing harder running. Z2 feels like a workout, but not a hard workout. It can be hard to find that happy place between easy recovery jogging and tempo, but that's where most of your running should be. Z3 is really for tempo runs and pace-work for, say, half-marathons or HIM, and should play a limited role in most people's training.



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