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Subject: RE: Fitness Syncer now active for BT users!

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Originally posted by cdban66

Originally posted by alicefoeller Yes you have been doing a ton of troubleshooting for us. I'm not challenging that it should work right. But a major feature of BT is that you compared your Planned Training with your Actual Training. If my Planned Training includes a 45 minute swim set that has 8 minutes total of rest in between laps, and I end up with a 37-minute Actual Training, that shows a deficit against my Planned Training, which means basically that I didn't do all of my training. For Strength, Eric is having trouble identifying the "endpoints" at BT that match up with how it comes in. Apparently there are two places it could go - the Strength category, or the Strength activity within the Sport category. We are working hard on this and it's frustrating for everyone that it's not smooth. It's just database mapping, and I'm not sure why it's so hard.

Thank you for your quick reply, and I do have to agree that data mapping shouldn't be this challenging. Yet in my 20 years of doing this sort of work, I can state that this can often be a HUGE hurdle. I guess that if your plans show swim sets including rest time, then that should be how you show time. I believe that is outside of the norm. However I haven't had a coach in forever and wouldn't know a swim workout if I was standing next to the pool and it knocked me into the water   I guess the only argument I could make is that I would be concerned with being outside of the standard that other tracking systems use, as BT is at this point with bike imports. 

At Chris - Clarify how we are outside the standard with bike imports. I'm not clear on that. For the swim, we do track in yards (or meters) and also in time. So for this graph below/attached, if I did all of my workouts, the volume graph should match the bars. (Obviously I'm not training enough!) But if my planned swim were 40 minutes, and it only counted my moving time, I'd show up at a deficit. Which is something I don't want when I'm in super training mode and making sure I run back and forth in the driveway for 45 seconds in order not to cut anything short.

My experience, up until now, has been that Elapsed time is imported, not moving time. I rode on Feb 15th and Strava shows 1:47.  Neostrack and Training peaks are attached. BT shows that I rode for 2:08:16. NeosTrack, which would be the originating system shows differently. I did notice that you are now using moving time, so I'll take another look in the morning, after my upload occurs.



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2020-02-28 5:59 AM
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Subject: RE: Fitness Syncer now active for BT users!

Originally posted by jmkizer

Originally posted by alicefoeller Janyne, Yeah I know. If it doesn't work, it's going to be too much of a pain. We haven't changed anything on our end in the past week, so I don't know why your run would have imported as moving time and then as elapsed time. Eric said you switched from sending it through Garmin > FitnessSyncer > BT and starting sending it Garmin > Strava > FitnessSyncer > BT. Does that sound right?

Correct.  Strava > FitnessSyncer > BT. My run on Saturday was imported with Strava as the source and it came in normally. My run on Tuesday came in using elapsed time.

On Monday, Eric said, "For elapsed time vs moving time, this appears to be how BT handles this" regarding a swim import (BTW, the three coaches that I have worked with all care about the distance and time time per set and could care less about the elapsed time).  My thought is that Eric is using elapsed time for all things now.  Since I've been on the trainer, I have not noticed what the situation is on the bike.  I'm running again today.

Confirmed. Runs are importing as elapsed time and not moving time.  The import path was Strava > FitnessSyncer > BT

I'm attaching screenshots from Strava and BT.  (ETA No idea why the time/distance aren't an exact match.)



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2020-02-28 12:49 PM
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Subject: RE: Fitness Syncer now active for BT users!

Originally posted by cdban66

Originally posted by alicefoeller
Originally posted by cdban66

Originally posted by alicefoeller Yes you have been doing a ton of troubleshooting for us. I'm not challenging that it should work right. But a major feature of BT is that you compared your Planned Training with your Actual Training. If my Planned Training includes a 45 minute swim set that has 8 minutes total of rest in between laps, and I end up with a 37-minute Actual Training, that shows a deficit against my Planned Training, which means basically that I didn't do all of my training. For Strength, Eric is having trouble identifying the "endpoints" at BT that match up with how it comes in. Apparently there are two places it could go - the Strength category, or the Strength activity within the Sport category. We are working hard on this and it's frustrating for everyone that it's not smooth. It's just database mapping, and I'm not sure why it's so hard.

Thank you for your quick reply, and I do have to agree that data mapping shouldn't be this challenging. Yet in my 20 years of doing this sort of work, I can state that this can often be a HUGE hurdle. I guess that if your plans show swim sets including rest time, then that should be how you show time. I believe that is outside of the norm. However I haven't had a coach in forever and wouldn't know a swim workout if I was standing next to the pool and it knocked me into the water   I guess the only argument I could make is that I would be concerned with being outside of the standard that other tracking systems use, as BT is at this point with bike imports. 

At Chris - Clarify how we are outside the standard with bike imports. I'm not clear on that. For the swim, we do track in yards (or meters) and also in time. So for this graph below/attached, if I did all of my workouts, the volume graph should match the bars. (Obviously I'm not training enough!) But if my planned swim were 40 minutes, and it only counted my moving time, I'd show up at a deficit. Which is something I don't want when I'm in super training mode and making sure I run back and forth in the driveway for 45 seconds in order not to cut anything short.

My experience, up until now, has been that Elapsed time is imported, not moving time. I rode on Feb 15th and Strava shows 1:47.  Neostrack and Training peaks are attached. BT shows that I rode for 2:08:16. NeosTrack, which would be the originating system shows differently. I did notice that you are now using moving time, so I'll take another look in the morning, after my upload occurs.

I just checked and BT shows a different time period.

2020-02-28 1:30 PM
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Subject: RE: Fitness Syncer now active for BT users!

Originally posted by jmkizer

Originally posted by jmkizer

Originally posted by alicefoeller Janyne, Yeah I know. If it doesn't work, it's going to be too much of a pain. We haven't changed anything on our end in the past week, so I don't know why your run would have imported as moving time and then as elapsed time. Eric said you switched from sending it through Garmin > FitnessSyncer > BT and starting sending it Garmin > Strava > FitnessSyncer > BT. Does that sound right?

Correct.  Strava > FitnessSyncer > BT. My run on Saturday was imported with Strava as the source and it came in normally. My run on Tuesday came in using elapsed time.

On Monday, Eric said, "For elapsed time vs moving time, this appears to be how BT handles this" regarding a swim import (BTW, the three coaches that I have worked with all care about the distance and time time per set and could care less about the elapsed time).  My thought is that Eric is using elapsed time for all things now.  Since I've been on the trainer, I have not noticed what the situation is on the bike.  I'm running again today.

Confirmed. Runs are importing as elapsed time and not moving time.  The import path was Strava > FitnessSyncer > BT

I'm attaching screenshots from Strava and BT.  (ETA No idea why the time/distance aren't an exact match.)

Please let me know when it's OK for me to update this in my training log.

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