TT bike/ Road Bike for 70.3
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2024-10-14 5:56 AM |
2 | Subject: TT bike/ Road Bike for 70.3 Hi All, Apologises for new thread. I do understand this has been discussed extensive. But i hope to get some valuable inputs based on my profile Age : 49 Male Current Roadbike Bike : Argon18 Krypton KR36 2010/2011 (Passed down by friend). 1.Never bike fit. 2. Never use Aerobar 3. Use cleats 4. No backside/groin pain. except back sore after 36km ride DIY trainings.(2x per week. 1 x indoor spinbike, 1 x outdoor 36km ride) 2023 - Sprint Triathlon Cycle 18km : 37.21mins Run 5km : 24.36mins Legs feel strong after 18km cycle 2024 - Standard Triathlon 1.5km swim replaced by 5km run due to oil spill : 27mins Cycle 36km : 1hr13minsmins Run 10km : 59mins Legs feel jelly after 5km run + 36km cycle Planning to try 70.3 next year. Dilemma if worth switching to TT bike Objective of Bike 1.Complete 70.3 (Bucket List) in 2025 before gate closed, timings is bonus 2.) continue with 1 x sprint or standard tri every year after 2025 3.) Simple for layman to use/ maintain Option1 - Keep using Argon18, add Aerobar, Pros - No need to spend more $ Cons - Legs more 'jelly/soft' after 90km ? Question - do i still need to do bike fit? since i only feel backsore after 36km ride Option2 - FREE (from friend) Used Canyon Speedmax CF 9.0 (2013) less than 100km 1.) Di2 battery already died 2.) brake pedal needs to be fixed Pros - Small repair/service costs + bike fit. Save Legs les jelly/soft after 90km Cons - older technology/ older specs? Option3 - Invest in brand new Speedmax CF 7 Di2, proper bike fit Pros - everything do up nicely, latest technology. Save Legs les jelly/soft after 90km Cons - One time big investment, new TT bike costs, new pedal costs, bike fit costs, assembly costs (layman) Thanks in advance for any valuable inputs. Edited by Nitrodrops 2024-10-14 5:58 AM |
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2024-10-14 7:01 AM in reply to: Nitrodrops |
Expert 4928 Middle River, Maryland | Subject: RE: TT bike/ Road Bike for 70.3 Great questions...as you noted this has been discussed a bunch but your details really frame the question better. Three words stand out in your summary: Never bike fit. I think that's probably where I'd start, especially if you're considering a tri bike, where fit is much more important. This is even MORE important as you move up in distance. Those Canyons might not even fit you, even with adjustments. Assuming they do, though, you're talking about several thousands of dollars between options 2 and 3 vs. just not much between 1 and 2, but with a proper fitting you're going to be able to make a much more informed decision (and likely will be more comfortable on your Argon, too). FWIW, I'm on road bike #2 after getting a road bike fitting six years ago post back surgery, and we mucked around with clip-on aerobars as well and I'm about as dialed in as you'll get on a clip-on/roadie setup. I love this setup. At 55 years old, I'm usually top 20% in the field on the bike for sprints/Olys. I still get a little stiff once I get to like 45 minutes or an hour in the position. I also have a tri bike that I need to get fit on - I knew based on my road bike fitting it would fit in general, but it needs some stuff moved around and lots of trainer time for me to adapt. |
2024-10-14 3:30 PM in reply to: Nitrodrops |
Champion 7553 Albuquerque, New Mexico | Subject: RE: TT bike/ Road Bike for 70.3 Interesting question. What are your goals for the HIM and all of this assumes that buying a TT/tri bike is within your budget for discretionary expenses. I've done 1 HIM (in 2006). That was on an old Raleigh road bike with clip-on aerobars. I did ride 20+mph. I've done 3 IM distance races on an old tri-bike generally in the 18mph range. Back pain/soreness after 36 km. What was your training prior to that? If you're sore after *every* 36km ride, it's probably an issue. As you train, the early training 40km ride that leaves you sore is inconsequential later in training when you're routinely doing 70-80km. What is the HIM you're considering? Is it a course layout that is really conducive to an aero setup? There's no advantage to getting an aero setup and then not riding aero because it's a technical course, it has lots of hilly transitions, or you end up not being comfortable camped out in an aero position for he better part of 3 hours. Riding aero puts a lot more stress on your neck since you're lower/flatter and still need to look out ahead the same distance. It's probably worth getting a bike fit on your current bike, either with or without clip-on aerobars. As you ride a lot more, you might do another fit 1/3 through your training for the HIM (after you've started increasing to regular hour+ rides) so you have time to adapt to any changes in riding position before your high-volume riding (4-8 weeks before the race). As you ride more, you can probably tolerate a more aggressive riding position than early on. |
2024-10-15 9:10 PM in reply to: McFuzz |
2 | Subject: RE: TT bike/ Road Bike for 70.3 thanks mate for valuable inputs. just checked HIM terrain - rolling hill Will go for bike fit. Bike fitter recommend bike fit Argon18-Roadbike first, easier for beginner. |
2024-11-02 8:44 AM in reply to: Nitrodrops |
Champion 10157 Alabama | Subject: RE: TT bike/ Road Bike for 70.3 If memory serves, the two main differences in a tri bike and a road bike are the bars and a slightly different angle on the seat. Personally I find a road bike more comfortable. Also, roadies don’t like to ride with people on tri bikes because roadies ride wheel to wheel and tri bikes have no brakes to touch in the aero position…..and you need that when riding wheel to wheel. I retired from triathlons so changed the bars on my Felt to drop bars for riding comfort. |
2024-11-02 9:23 PM in reply to: Rogillio |
Master 8249 Eugene, Oregon | Subject: RE: TT bike/ Road Bike for 70.3 Have used all three set-ups (road bike, roadie with clip-on aerobars, tri bike) for 70.3's. I would say it mainly depends on your goals and on the course (also on your finances!). If your goal is to finish the event with maximum comfort and safety, then I'd say a well-fitted road bike is your best bet. You could do clip-on aerobars, but that needs to be considered when doing the fit--the same bike will be a somewhat different fit to optimize comfort and speed with or without the bars. I would definitely tell the fitter your plans and cater the fit to your race set-up, or learn how to tinker with your fit with/without the aerobars. To be competitive, in my experience, you need to be on a well-fitted tri-bike unless perhaps the course is super hilly and technical. I have done a lot (maybe 25 or 30?) of HIM including qualifying for and competing in three World Championships. As I recall, all my really competitive races have been with a tri bike. There have been a few events where I felt it might have made no difference if I'd been on my road bike, or that I might have ridden my road bike a bit faster. These were extremely hilly events with difficult descents and very little flat. I do a lot of my bike training indoors for time and safety reasons, so my bike handling skills are not as strong as they could be. When there are a lot of technical descents, I feel like I'm more confident and probably faster on a road bike. Also, at some point it is more efficient to climb out of aero, so on a really hilly course with few flat stretches, the aero advantage might get cancelled out altogether. For rolling hills, it probably depends on your handling skills and whether there are substantial flatter stretches. If you wouldn't be coming out of aero that much, then a tri bike is almost always faster. How much that matters depends on your goals. |
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2024-11-05 3:37 AM in reply to: 0 |
1 | Subject: RE: TT bike/ Road Bike for 70.3 TBH for the costs of doing up the 2013 Speedmax this is your best bang for buck option. Will it be as fast as the 2024 model? no but you are also not spending the earth. Borrow it and get a fit on it, even if you don't end up using it the bike fit will be useful. and if it does fit you then more the better. get a new DI2 battery some new pedals and the brake repair shouldn't be too much more on top of a service anyway (depending on the issue). you can then probably resell the bike if you want a newer model for at least what you spent on it and upgrade anyway, can keep your pedals off it too so they arent even a lost expense. buy some shimano 105 pedals, new battery. full service and brake repair you can probably do the whole lot for under $600 then a bike fit on top still gonna cost you less than a grand to do it all Edited by invidiam0410 2024-11-05 3:37 AM |