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2006-10-12 5:41 AM

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Does anyone know if its illegal to shoot someone from your home? For instance, you're inside you're home and you shoot through a window at them, but they're not on your property? I know you can shoot/injure/kill someone in self defense if they come onto your property, but what if they were shooting at you from say, across the street?

I had a bad dream last night.



2006-10-12 5:52 AM
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Haley I don't know the legal answer but I will tell you that if someone is theatening your life or I should say "a" life then take the shot. The legal system can do nothing for the dead. Keep a couple of rifles around just for this type protection. Shotguns with small shot is good for in house use, pistols are OK (especially in the car and for a woman to have in her purse) but whatever you choose just know how to use it and keep it close and ready. Worry about the legality after the threat is squashed.
Just make sure the threat is real and unavoidable.
2006-10-12 5:58 AM
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Thats what my instinct told me in the dream...get a gun and shoot back! But technically if they weren't on your property I don't know if thats as cut and dry (so to speak) like if they were on your property.

I don't know why I had this dream, but I couldn't go back to sleep and was wondering. No one is threatening my life...that I know of.

2006-10-12 6:55 AM
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Ok, I'm not a cop or a lawyer but have done research in some of these issues for other things. Also, there are different laws in different places, so your best bet is to verify with your local law enforcement agencies.

But, when you are in a situation where you feel that your life or someone else's life is being threatened, you are allowed to use an equal level of force, or enough force to remove the threat. Someone pointing a gun at you from 30 ft away vs. someone holding a knife 30 ft away. Different scenarios, and each requires a different use of force. But, you can always use force to protect yourself or someone else.

Again, I'm not an expert, my understanding of things is based on personal experiences under different rules.
2006-10-12 7:29 AM
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I'm assuming that your dream was supposed to be taking place in TX? If that's the case you could pretty much shoot them if you don't like they way they looked at you.

While I can't remember the legal term, you have to make a reasonable effort to escape the situation. For instance if, while walking down the street, someone says "I'm gonna kick your " and you pull out your Saturday Night Special and kneecap him, the prosecutor might say that you could have made some effort to leave the situation.

If said person is not on your property it would be a difficult case to make that they posed an imminent, unavoidable threat. Unless of course that person was firing into your home from off the property and you had nowhere to hide, or firing at someone else.  Did you not have a phone in your dream?  Next time dream yourself up a panic room.

My philosophy on the subject is: "Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6."

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2006-10-12 7:41 AM
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Let's please not encourage her to shoot people.  Some people who may be nearby a lot don't want to be shot.  Thank you in advance.


2006-10-12 7:45 AM
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DerekL - 2006-10-12 8:41 AM Let's please not encourage her to shoot people.  Some people who may be nearby a lot don't want to be shot.  Thank you in advance.

Heh. That made me laugh.

Alternatively, just because someone is on your property, that doesn't mean you can shoot them for any old reason.

Except in Texas, where I think it's illegal not to.

2006-10-12 7:48 AM
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I've taken out three workers from the construction next door already this morning.  I'm waiting for another one to cross that line.

run4yrlif - 2006-10-12 7:45 AM

DerekL - 2006-10-12 8:41 AM Let's please not encourage her to shoot people.  Some people who may be nearby a lot don't want to be shot.  Thank you in advance.

Heh. That made me laugh.

Alternatively, just because someone is on your property, that doesn't mean you can shoot them for any old reason.

Except in Texas, where I think it's illegal not to.

2006-10-12 8:00 AM
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Comet - 2006-10-12 5:41 AM

Does anyone know if its illegal to shoot someone from your home? For instance, you're inside you're home and you shoot through a window at them, but they're not on your property? I know you can shoot/injure/kill someone in self defense if they come onto your property, but what if they were shooting at you from say, across the street?

I had a bad dream last night.

 

I usually just drag the dead corpse into the living room just to be safe. 

~Mike

2006-10-12 8:06 AM
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Rogillio - 2006-10-12 9:00 AM
Comet - 2006-10-12 5:41 AM

Does anyone know if its illegal to shoot someone from your home? For instance, you're inside you're home and you shoot through a window at them, but they're not on your property? I know you can shoot/injure/kill someone in self defense if they come onto your property, but what if they were shooting at you from say, across the street?

I had a bad dream last night.

 

I usually just drag the dead corpse into the living room just to be safe. 

~Mike

Redundant.

2006-10-12 8:09 AM
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run4yrlif - 2006-10-12 8:06 AM
Rogillio - 2006-10-12 9:00 AM
Comet - 2006-10-12 5:41 AM

Does anyone know if its illegal to shoot someone from your home? For instance, you're inside you're home and you shoot through a window at them, but they're not on your property? I know you can shoot/injure/kill someone in self defense if they come onto your property, but what if they were shooting at you from say, across the street?

I had a bad dream last night.

 

 

 

I usually just drag the dead corpse into the living room just to be safe. 

~Mike

Redundant.

 

Redundant is when I empty the second magazine.



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2006-10-12 8:29 AM
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The short answer is YES
2006-10-12 8:54 AM
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I read somewhere, I think in Georgia when I lived there, that if they are inside your house, then you can shoot them.  But if they are outside, no go.  There was a case where a guy shot a burgler coming in a window and he fell outside.  They were looking at charging the home owner.

So in short, shoot, use your speed to grab him/her before they fall outside and make sure they land inside.  THEN use the second magazine.  :P

2006-10-12 9:14 AM
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I'm a DA. Prosecutor for 19 years. Generally, one has the right to use reasonable force necessary to defend themselves or another. Reasonableness is up to the jury, and somewhat up to the prosecutor on whether to pursue charges. Some jurisdictions say there is a duty to retreat, and some don't. Kentucky doesn't, and I would bet Texas doesn't. So the answer is one of the most common answers to legal questions..."it depends."
2006-10-12 9:53 AM
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HankJKy - 2006-10-12 9:14 AM I'm a DA. Prosecutor for 19 years. Generally, one has the right to use reasonable force necessary to defend themselves or another. Reasonableness is up to the jury, and somewhat up to the prosecutor on whether to pursue charges. Some jurisdictions say there is a duty to retreat, and some don't. Kentucky doesn't, and I would bet Texas doesn't. So the answer is one of the most common answers to legal questions..."it depends."

 

Go KY!!!! See Jim the bumkins dont need a security alarm, because those dont go off unless the person you want to shoot comes IN your house. We can shoot people down the street if we need to...

2006-10-12 9:58 AM
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Rogillio - 2006-10-12 9:09 AM
run4yrlif - 2006-10-12 8:06 AM
Rogillio - 2006-10-12 9:00 AM
Comet - 2006-10-12 5:41 AM

Does anyone know if its illegal to shoot someone from your home? For instance, you're inside you're home and you shoot through a window at them, but they're not on your property? I know you can shoot/injure/kill someone in self defense if they come onto your property, but what if they were shooting at you from say, across the street?

I had a bad dream last night.

 

 

 

I usually just drag the dead corpse into the living room just to be safe.

~Mike

Redundant.

 

Redundant is when I empty the second magazine.

Now that's funny. 



2006-10-12 9:59 AM
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trigods - 2006-10-12 10:53 AM

HankJKy - 2006-10-12 9:14 AM I'm a DA. Prosecutor for 19 years. Generally, one has the right to use reasonable force necessary to defend themselves or another. Reasonableness is up to the jury, and somewhat up to the prosecutor on whether to pursue charges. Some jurisdictions say there is a duty to retreat, and some don't. Kentucky doesn't, and I would bet Texas doesn't. So the answer is one of the most common answers to legal questions..."it depends."

 

Go KY!!!! See Jim the bumkins dont need a security alarm, because those dont go off unless the person you want to shoot comes IN your house. We can shoot people down the street if we need to...

I thought you lived in TN?

2006-10-12 10:07 AM
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HankJKy - 2006-10-12 10:14 AM

I'm a DA. Prosecutor for 19 years. Generally, one has the right to use reasonable force necessary to defend themselves or another. Reasonableness is up to the jury, and somewhat up to the prosecutor on whether to pursue charges. Some jurisdictions say there is a duty to retreat, and some don't. Kentucky doesn't, and I would bet Texas doesn't. So the answer is one of the most common answers to legal questions..."it depends."


Very similar to ROE/RUF used by the military. Interesting.
2006-10-12 10:26 AM
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Go KY!!!! See Jim the bumkins dont need a security alarm, because those dont go off unless the person you want to shoot comes IN your house. We can shoot people down the street if we need to...

I thought you lived in TN?

Cant you keep up.... lol I was born in WV, lived in KY all of my life (went to school at UK); and THEN moved to TN....

I am slowly making my way to your town....

2006-10-12 12:01 PM
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<--- Cop, 13 years.

As state above, you are permitted to use reasonable force to protect a life and to some extent property. Therefore, if someone is shooting at you from across the street it would probably be permissible to use deadly force to protect your life or the life of another. I can't say it would absolutely be permissible because every situation is different and... it depends.

A threat must be imminent, meaning that the threat must be presented and the method of delivery must be perceived as dire from the perspective of the possible victim. So, if you are in your house and someone is across the street and he has a hatchet and is yelling that he is going to kill you... you can't shoot him. If you go outside to tell the guy to "Beat it! I already called the cops! Get out of here!" and he runs toward you with the hatchet at his side... you might be able to shoot him as he's running toward you depending on the distance and dialogue. Now, if he stops on the street and there is a parked car between you and hatchet-man and he is yelling vulgarities but is no longer threatening and has not raised the hatchet in a threatening manner... you probably CANNOT shoot him.

It makes no difference if a person is inside your house or not. On that note, just because a person is inside your house does NOT mean that you can shoot them. If that person is inside your house AND you are able articulate a deadly threat that person is presenting to another... you could probably shoot them.

I could go on and on. There is no limit to the "what ifs" you can present regarding shoot/don't-shoot scenarios.

Ever seen the movie Training Day? "Its not what you know. Its what you can prove."

2006-10-12 12:23 PM
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Shaved_Wookie - 2006-10-12 12:01 PM

I could go on and on. There is no limit to the "what ifs" you can present regarding shoot/don't-shoot scenarios.

Ever seen the movie Training Day? "Its not what you know. Its what you can prove."

In my dream I remember specifically laying on the floor, looking out to someone on the roof across the street and not being able to defend myself and got a gun. I did not want to shoot, but they were shooting at me!

I know just because someone is in my house I cannot kill them--duh! However, I do know that in Texas if you are being threatened, say someone is attacking you or trying you, you may kill them. Not too long ago a woman came home to find a hitman (unknown to her) in her home. She sat on him and then strangled him. No charges.

I would hate to be in any situation and I am disturbed as to why I even had this dream!



2006-10-12 12:28 PM
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Comet - 2006-10-12 1:23 PM Not too long ago a woman came home to find a hitman (unknown to her) in her home. She sat on him and then strangled him. No charges.

LOL  That had to be the world's worst hit man.   Hope they didn't pay him upfront.



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