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2007-05-02 8:00 PM

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Subject: Alps vs jet vs HED-3

Ok I understand the HED-3 is the best but just how much difference is there between these wheels I am still a below average cyclist I can average 19 mph on fairly hilly courses for 18 to 19 miles.  So my question is under equal conditions just how much difference is there between the older ALPS, the Jet 50 or 60, and a HED-3 lets say a time difference over a 20 mile ride.



2007-05-02 8:01 PM
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probably seconds difference. 
2007-05-03 10:24 AM
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I went through the same dilemma before going with the H3.  I couldn't find anything reliable that differientiated anything.  I would suggest calling Hed Cycling and talk to them about it.  I called them twice on my order and they were very friendly.  And I have heard good things about their customer service. 
2007-05-03 5:59 PM
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The HED 3's might save you 15-30 seconds tops over 20 miles over the Alps, even less savings against the deeper Jets.  And that's probably a bit optimistic. 

How long you ride in the aero position probably has a bigger impact on your time.

I have absolutely no proof of the above whatsoever.  But, I gather it from what I've read where aero wheels (vs. standard road wheels) saves Iron-distance guys supposedly only a few minutes over 120 miles.  

This is coming from an HED 3 owner.  I know it doesn't really save me much time over my old wheels, but they sure look cool, and make that cool helicopter whooshing sound (bonus!).

2007-05-04 8:44 AM
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guncollector - 2007-05-03 5:59 PM

...How long you ride in the aero position probably has a bigger impact on your time....

The other points are valid, and even the one above it true.  However, I hate seeing it every time a wheel thread comes up.

The two time-saving techniques are completely independent of each other.  My wheels neither cause nor impede my ability to stay aero.  My position neither causes nor impedes the aerodynamics of my wheels.  With faster wheels I can save 20 seconds above and beyond whatever time I would otherwise acheive.

Now, is that much money for that little time worth it to each individual?  Possibly not.   The less aero you ride (and by proxy, the less you are striving to eek out every second of time savings), the less likely it seems that a person will be worried about saving those precious few 'wheel seconds'.  But this doesn't mean that, by riding less aero, they won't see the benefit from the wheels.

2007-05-04 9:32 AM
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Subject: RE: Alps vs jet vs HED-3
Aero benifits become more apparent at speeds over 20mph. Assuming you are looking for clinchers, and the Jet60, then according to Hed at wind angles of 0-20 degrees, the 3 has about 175grams of drag, the Jet60 and Alps about 200. If you are racing a hilly course the 3 weighs about a half pound more than the Jets, which should easily negate any aero benefit. You really can't go wrong with any of them, I would prefer the Jet 60 for more all around conditions.

BTW the Jet50 appears to be slower aero wise, and not much lighter than the 60. The extra 10mm won't be much harder to handle, especially considering the Zipp 404 is 58mm and seems to be a all around favorite of riders.


2007-05-04 9:16 PM
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Subject: RE: Alps vs jet vs HED-3
Thanks i spoke to a guy at HED and he said ALPS will cut 45 to 60 seconds off a 20 mile course over a standard 28mm deep wheel.  The the HED-3 will get 15 to 20 seconds better at best. And the Jet has no real aero benefit.
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