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Subject: Faster: Above or below water?

So all this swimming on the Olympics has me wondering...

which is faster, swimming underwater using a Dolphin kick or swimming above the water?

 



2008-08-11 2:34 PM
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Water is far more dense than air so I would presume above the water is faster.
2008-08-11 2:40 PM
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condorman - 2008-08-11 12:32 PM

So all this swimming on the Olympics has me wondering...

which is faster, swimming underwater using a Dolphin kick or swimming above the water?

 

Depends on the swimmer, but there's a reason Phelps comes off the wall and kicks for so long.   Other guys have 4 or 5 strokes before he pops up.  Can't keep that up for 50 meters though

From the above post, unless you truly mean "above" the water, otherwise, you're still "in" in the water.  You can be more streamlined under.



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2008-08-11 2:44 PM
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tridantri - 2008-08-11 3:34 PM Water is far more dense than air so I would presume above the water is faster.

That's disputed by the fastest swimmers in the world who, clearly, swim faster underwater. Recovering your stroke underwater is slower, but when you are dolphin kicking in a streamlined position, there's no stroke recovery (this is, in part, why breaststroke is slowest).

Being streamlined is fastest.

When you break the surface, you break streamline, and introduce air to your paddles.

 

 

2008-08-11 3:11 PM
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I believe the rule is that a swimmer can only go x-distance underwater. 15m maybe?

Like someone said earlier....you're streamlined. My vote would be faster as they have insituted a rule against it.

2008-08-11 3:13 PM
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bradleyd3 - 2008-08-11 4:11 PM I believe the rule is that a swimmer can only go x-distance underwater. 15m maybe? Like someone said earlier....you're streamlined. My vote would be faster as they have insituted a rule against it.

Yep...15m. DQ if you go past. And that's exactly why they changed the rule--cause it's faster.

Misty Hyman, who upset Susie O'Neil in Athens in teh 200 fly, used to dolphin kick almost the entire first 50 meters of that race. Likewise Dave Berkhoff in teh backstroke events.



2008-08-11 3:22 PM
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When using the dolphin kick while in the streamline position, underwater is faster. It is such an advantage that some swimmers were going almost the entire distance underwater and FINA imposed restrictions. Notice at the 15m point in the pools there is a different color segment on the lane lines? That's the FINA limit.

I was doubtful at one time so a great swimmer on my Masters team proved it to me. Her time to do 50m underwater was better than straight freestyle.
2008-08-12 8:27 AM
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My dolphin kick looks more like a fish being electrocuted, so I assure you that freestyle on top of the water is faster.For those freaks of natures with their 24 pack abs, however, dolphin definitely wins... hence the restriction.
2008-08-12 9:00 AM
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Under.  Definitely under!

Surface drag (from the seperation boundry of water/air) and interference (trailing vorticies/cavitation) drag from swimming on the surface are signifigantly higher than form drag (body shape and streamlined) under water.  You experience considerably less drag when you are totally submerged.  A submarine can travel at speeds almost 5 times faster under water than they can on the surface.

When Phelps gives a massive push off the wall, stays and dolphin kicks under water for 10 yards farther than the competition he is going much faster and passing them.  The longer you can stay under, the faster you'll be.

 

2008-08-12 9:56 AM
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Swimming under the water is way faster.  That's why you see people stay underneath for as long as they can after their turns.
2008-08-12 12:54 PM
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Try it yourself:

Push off the wall underwater in your streamlined position (arms pointing above your head) and just glide.

Now try doing it with your body half-out-of-the-water.

You'll notice it!

Sprint freestylers are the only people, I think, who swim faster than they dolphin kick.


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