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2013-01-10 7:46 AM

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Subject: RFID Chips for school badges

This made the news feed this AM.  When I first heard the story I was a bit ticked off.  Then I red the article.

http://www.salon.com/2013/01/09/judge_texas_school_can_force_student_to_wear_rfid_badge/

I do not think the school really need to be tracking the position of students (of course I question how many RFID readers they really have.  To "track" students you'd need quite a few of them.  And that's NOT cheap.  My guess is they have them at some key points where most of the student pass by (front doors, lunch rooms etc..)

However the school agreed to allow the chip to be removed from the girl's badge.

Hernandez sued the school district, who tried to accommodate the girl and her family by saying they would remove the RFID chip from her badge, but that she would still need to wear the badge itself.

I don't see the issue here.  What's the big deal with having some sort of ID on the children?  IN college my student ID was EVERYTHING (a credit card, a door key pass, held my student records etc..) It seems like the parents are taking this a bit too far.  I suspect they have driver's licenses..

Of course what purpose does the ID really have then other than to display their name?

So what does COJ say.  RFID OK?  Simple ID badges OK?  None of it OK?  Should we just tattoo a barcode on their forehead?



Edited by TriRSquared 2013-01-10 7:47 AM


2013-01-10 8:09 AM
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5 seconds in a microwave takes care of the RFID
After a few hundred do that, they'll figure out it's not worth the trouble.

If they want to do ID from the school, fine, but have humans watch.

2013-01-10 8:36 AM
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TriRSquared - 2013-01-10 7:46 AM

However the school agreed to allow the chip to be removed from the girl's badge.

From other articles Ive read on this, I believe originally the school said they would give her a badge without an RFID but they had to agree to not tell anyone of the arrangement and not go public with their disapproval of the system.

Once kids have to be tracked with RFID, it would be simple to track their movements pretty much anywhere.  For example, you could hide a reader near a bathroom and then be notified anytime a geek that needs a swirly walks in.



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2013-01-10 9:29 AM
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Subject: RE: RFID Chips for school badges
jmcconne - 2013-01-10 9:36 AM
TriRSquared - 2013-01-10 7:46 AM

However the school agreed to allow the chip to be removed from the girl's badge.

From other articles Ive read on this, I believe originally the school said they would give her a badge without an RFID but they had to agree to not tell anyone of the arrangement and not go public with their disapproval of the system.

Once kids have to be tracked with RFID, it would be simple to track their movements pretty much anywhere.  For example, you could hide a reader near a bathroom and then be notified anytime a geek that needs a swirly walks in.

Easy?  Yes.  Inexpensive?  No.

We use RFID on many of our machines.

You have to have a RFID reader at each point of interest.  RFID only displays presence or absence (plus some other encoded info like name or serial # etc..). 

So if you have one large reader in a courtyard it'll tell you the person is in that courtyard but not WHERE in the courtyard.  You need more readers the more precise you want to become. (There is some facy ways to use triangulations to narrow down the locations but we're talking big bucks now.)

It's not an expense that our schools should be investing in.  Buy more books or computers (or teachers) for goodness sakes.

 

2013-01-10 9:41 AM
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The girl’s father, Steven, wrote the school district explaining why removing the chip wasn’t good enough, that the daughter should be free from displaying the card altogether. “‘We must obey the word of God,” the father said, according to court documents. “By asking my daughter and our family to participate and fall in line like the rest of them is asking us to disobey our Lord and Savior.”

Just quoting for hilarity.

2013-01-10 9:53 AM
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lisac957 - 2013-01-10 10:41 AM

The girl’s father, Steven, wrote the school district explaining why removing the chip wasn’t good enough, that the daughter should be free from displaying the card altogether. “‘We must obey the word of God,” the father said, according to court documents. “By asking my daughter and our family to participate and fall in line like the rest of them is asking us to disobey our Lord and Savior.”

Just quoting for hilarity.



Yeah, because the bible teaches us to fight the powers that be. Oh wait, that's Public Enemy.


2013-01-10 11:45 AM
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Why not just microchip them at birth?  My dogs don't seem to mind...

Seriously though, the tracking is a bit weird.  I wouldn't be all up in arms about it but I would rather see an actual human out there monitoring the kids.  What really is the issue with it?  To further what the OP was saying, we all have drivers licenses.  I would guess the majority of us have some form of work ID, mine even lets me in doors and gates and doesn't work in places I'm not supposed to go.  What's the difference really?

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pitt83 - 2013-01-10 10:53 AM
lisac957 - 2013-01-10 10:41 AM

The girl’s father, Steven, wrote the school district explaining why removing the chip wasn’t good enough, that the daughter should be free from displaying the card altogether. “‘We must obey the word of God,” the father said, according to court documents. “By asking my daughter and our family to participate and fall in line like the rest of them is asking us to disobey our Lord and Savior.”

Just quoting for hilarity.

Yeah, because the bible teaches us to fight the powers that be. Oh wait, that's Public Enemy.

Yeeeeeeaaaaaa Booooooooyyyyyyyy!

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2013-01-10 3:53 PM
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I do not see anything wrong with this, in theory, as a way to monitor student attendance and location. If this is a system which can be accessed securely and remotely image how it could help in case of an emergency. a simple check of the system and firefighters could see that someone went into a restroom/classroom/the school etc but never came out. I also have no problem requiring students to display their id on them. This help identify them to staff who may not know them.

in practice though the system could be easily duped and mis-used if someone wanted to skip class or not show up they can just hand their card to a friend and be on their way.

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Subject: RE: RFID Chips for school badges
pitt83 - 2013-01-10 10:53 AM
lisac957 - 2013-01-10 10:41 AM

The girl’s father, Steven, wrote the school district explaining why removing the chip wasn’t good enough, that the daughter should be free from displaying the card altogether. “‘We must obey the word of God,” the father said, according to court documents. “By asking my daughter and our family to participate and fall in line like the rest of them is asking us to disobey our Lord and Savior.”

Just quoting for hilarity.

Yeah, because the bible teaches us to fight the powers that be. Oh wait, that's Public Enemy.

Glory be to Chuck D.



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