Sometimes You Just Can't Fix Ignorance
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() So, if you are the school, please explain how beating a kid is the right response in this situation: http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/mom-angry-male-vice-principal... I just don't understand ignorant people sometimes. Edited by jacasa 2012-09-23 11:15 AM |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I'm still scratching my head trying to figure out how some folks think assaulting a child helps prepare them for their future.
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() So i'm confused where the outrage is? The girl and the mom both agreed to the punishment for her cheating. Now she is mad because the paddling hurt? |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I'm pro-corporal punishment. Like in real life, you break the rules, you pay the consequences, it's that easy. Probably one of the major problems in North America is there isn't enough of it. The government got in the business of raising kids, and look at the great youth we hav enow? And as far as this situation, it's ridiculous. What did they think was going to happen after getting wacked on the azz? Edited by RVachon 2012-09-23 2:41 PM |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() RVachon - 2012-09-23 2:40 PM I'm pro-corporal punishment. Like in real life, you break the rules, you pay the consequences, it's that easy. Probably one of the major problems in North America is there isn't enough of it. The government got in the business of raising kids, and look at the great youth we hav enow? And as far as this situation, it's ridiculous. What did they think was going to happen after getting wacked on the azz? +1 |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() RVachon - 2012-09-23 3:40 PM I'm pro-corporal punishment. Like in real life, you break the rules, you pay the consequences, it's that easy. Probably one of the major problems in North America is there isn't enough of it. The government got in the business of raising kids, and look at the great youth we hav enow? And as far as this situation, it's ridiculous. What did they think was going to happen after getting wacked on the azz? Seriously? Please explain to me how beating a kid is going to teach them anything? Does it prepare them for life after school? So the consequences of a poor decision are to beat them? Hmmmm? How about something else like an all day work session at the school on a Saturday? Or, having her volunteer at a soup kitchen on a Saturday? Or, have her tutor some of the kids at the school that need it. My dad used the belt on us, and my mom the wooden spoon. I love them both to this day, but it never taught me anything. Real life situations like the value of a paper route taught me real life lessons. Frankly, I think those with low self-esteem inflict “corporal punishment” as it makes them feel superior. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Swat on the butt = beating kids. Hyperbole much? |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() You do not have to hit kids to raise them to be respectful, kind, polite, hard-working members of society. I have never struck my children and never will. If a school member thinks they have any right to raise their hand to my child, they will soon find they are deeply mistaken. While I think "outrage" is a bit of a strong word, if the girls backside is red and blistered as is being reported, that is much more than a spanking.
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() So are you outraged that this still takes place or that the spanking left marks? It's not illegal, seems to be somewhat common and was agreed upon by the student and parents. If you're outraged that it still takes place then don't be angry at the principal and call him `ignorant' for doing what he believes is his job, be angry at the law. |
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![]() | ![]() From reading the article, the issue wasn't the paddling (that was agreed upon by the mother AND daughter, and legal). From the article: "I don't believe a man intentionally meant to do that to her, but it still happens, because men are too big and strong to be hitting 96-pound girls." |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() jacasa - 2012-09-23 3:10 PM RVachon - 2012-09-23 3:40 PM Seriously? Please explain to me how beating a kid is going to teach them anything? Does it prepare them for life after school? So the consequences of a poor decision are to beat them? Hmmmm? How about something else like an all day work session at the school on a Saturday? Or, having her volunteer at a soup kitchen on a Saturday? Or, have her tutor some of the kids at the school that need it. My dad used the belt on us, and my mom the wooden spoon. I love them both to this day, but it never taught me anything. Real life situations like the value of a paper route taught me real life lessons. Frankly, I think those with low self-esteem inflict “corporal punishment” as it makes them feel superior. I'm pro-corporal punishment. Like in real life, you break the rules, you pay the consequences, it's that easy. Probably one of the major problems in North America is there isn't enough of it. The government got in the business of raising kids, and look at the great youth we hav enow? And as far as this situation, it's ridiculous. What did they think was going to happen after getting wacked on the azz? I would respectfully disagree. i'm betting it taught you to stop doing whatever they spanked you for. BTW, nice statement of superiority there with the low self esteem dig. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() RVachon - 2012-09-23 1:40 PM I'm pro-corporal punishment. Like in real life, you break the rules, you pay the consequences, it's that easy. Probably one of the major problems in North America is there isn't enough of it. The government got in the business of raising kids, and look at the great youth we hav enow? And as far as this situation, it's ridiculous. What did they think was going to happen after getting wacked on the azz? Not sure in what situation an adult gets legally beaten? (Unless you pay for it - diff thread). You're basically saying "Don't hit, don't use violence/strength/might to get what you want" then doing exactly that. This isn't Singapore or the middle east... |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() There are studies that show that spanking or other corporal punishments don't work on children. That said, my dad used to spank us and boy did we NOT do that (whatever it was!) again, that's for sho! I remember dad coming down the hall in his cowboy boots -- he was about 6'4 and 225 pounds and when he was angry, life was no bueno. He only spanked us, never hit us or anything like that. My step-father took another approach and would use psychology to make us feel so bad that we didn't ever to THAT (whatever it was this time!) again. Both worked and I think there's a time and place for each. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() lisac957 - 2012-09-23 6:13 PM From reading the article, the issue wasn't the paddling (that was agreed upon by the mother AND daughter, and legal). From the article: "I don't believe a man intentionally meant to do that to her, but it still happens, because men are too big and strong to be hitting 96-pound girls." Correct. My question is this, for marks to be left like this, are these kids required to have their pants down? It sounds that way...and if so, I'll ask again, who in their right mind is allowing this? Someone stated earlier it teaches there are consequences for actions. My question is, who determines what the consequences are? I have broken rules before as an adult. I received a speeding ticket. I was once late getting my car inspected. I was fined. In neither case did I submit myself to being physically assaulted. (yes, spanking fits the definition of "assault") We've got some mental health and education professionals here in the CoJ...perhaps they could chime in?
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() ChineseDemocracy - 2012-09-23 5:23 PM lisac957 - 2012-09-23 6:13 PM From reading the article, the issue wasn't the paddling (that was agreed upon by the mother AND daughter, and legal). From the article: "I don't believe a man intentionally meant to do that to her, but it still happens, because men are too big and strong to be hitting 96-pound girls." Correct. My question is this, for marks to be left like this, are these kids required to have their pants down? It sounds that way...and if so, I'll ask again, who in their right mind is allowing this? Someone stated earlier it teaches there are consequences for actions. My question is, who determines what the consequences are? I have broken rules before as an adult. I received a speeding ticket. I was once late getting my car inspected. I was fined. In neither case did I submit myself to being physically assaulted. (yes, spanking fits the definition of "assault") We've got some mental health and education professionals here in the CoJ...perhaps they could chime in?
Until they've shown the "marks" to a neutral party, I'll reserve judgement. A mom would NEVER exaggerate about her child, would she? And when I was in HS, they had paddles had speed holes in them that were ONLY used by the coaches and other large male staff, on any and everyone. |
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![]() | ![]() abqtj - 2012-09-23 7:01 PM ChineseDemocracy - 2012-09-23 5:23 PM lisac957 - 2012-09-23 6:13 PM From reading the article, the issue wasn't the paddling (that was agreed upon by the mother AND daughter, and legal). From the article: "I don't believe a man intentionally meant to do that to her, but it still happens, because men are too big and strong to be hitting 96-pound girls." Correct. My question is this, for marks to be left like this, are these kids required to have their pants down? It sounds that way...and if so, I'll ask again, who in their right mind is allowing this? Someone stated earlier it teaches there are consequences for actions. My question is, who determines what the consequences are? I have broken rules before as an adult. I received a speeding ticket. I was once late getting my car inspected. I was fined. In neither case did I submit myself to being physically assaulted. (yes, spanking fits the definition of "assault") We've got some mental health and education professionals here in the CoJ...perhaps they could chime in?
Until they've shown the "marks" to a neutral party, I'll reserve judgement. A mom would NEVER exaggerate about her child, would she? And when I was in HS, they had paddles had speed holes in them that were ONLY used by the coaches and other large male staff, on any and everyone. But you are okay with an adult male spanking a high school female's naked buttocks? |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I will stand by my theory of "stand in front of the mirror and say it out loud. If it makes sense, go ahead". So, here it goes: "I am a middle school principal of the male persuasion. My job calls for me to punish a high school girl. The book calls for suspension, but she doesn't want to miss classes so she agrees to a "spanking" (I still question the moms agreement to this). As an adult male, I am going to administer that spanking". Hmmmm. My theory is proven once again. Bad idea. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() lisac957 - 2012-09-23 7:13 PM abqtj - 2012-09-23 7:01 PM ChineseDemocracy - 2012-09-23 5:23 PM lisac957 - 2012-09-23 6:13 PM From reading the article, the issue wasn't the paddling (that was agreed upon by the mother AND daughter, and legal). From the article: "I don't believe a man intentionally meant to do that to her, but it still happens, because men are too big and strong to be hitting 96-pound girls." Correct. My question is this, for marks to be left like this, are these kids required to have their pants down? It sounds that way...and if so, I'll ask again, who in their right mind is allowing this? Someone stated earlier it teaches there are consequences for actions. My question is, who determines what the consequences are? I have broken rules before as an adult. I received a speeding ticket. I was once late getting my car inspected. I was fined. In neither case did I submit myself to being physically assaulted. (yes, spanking fits the definition of "assault") We've got some mental health and education professionals here in the CoJ...perhaps they could chime in?
Until they've shown the "marks" to a neutral party, I'll reserve judgement. A mom would NEVER exaggerate about her child, would she? And when I was in HS, they had paddles had speed holes in them that were ONLY used by the coaches and other large male staff, on any and everyone. But you are okay with an adult male spanking a high school female's naked buttocks?
LMAO.....WHERE does it say anything, anywhere about the girl being naked? You can't make this stuff up....you just can't. For the record....I got spanked as a kid by my parents and by school principals. I spanked all of my kids. I'll wack them to this day if they are disrespectful to their mother or me. They aren't so I don't have to. This "argument" will end poorly because there are very strong feelings on both sides....but throwing made up garbage like "naked buttocks" into the discussion is ridiculous. Oh yeah, I almost forgot.....the male principal of our grade school paddled girls too....I guess we all got our feelings hurt less in the 60's...... or maybe we weren't always on the prowl for the next thing to be offended over. Edited by Left Brain 2012-09-23 9:16 PM |
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![]() | ![]() Left Brain - 2012-09-23 9:13 PM lisac957 - 2012-09-23 7:13 PM abqtj - 2012-09-23 7:01 PM ChineseDemocracy - 2012-09-23 5:23 PM lisac957 - 2012-09-23 6:13 PM From reading the article, the issue wasn't the paddling (that was agreed upon by the mother AND daughter, and legal). From the article: "I don't believe a man intentionally meant to do that to her, but it still happens, because men are too big and strong to be hitting 96-pound girls." Correct. My question is this, for marks to be left like this, are these kids required to have their pants down? It sounds that way...and if so, I'll ask again, who in their right mind is allowing this? Someone stated earlier it teaches there are consequences for actions. My question is, who determines what the consequences are? I have broken rules before as an adult. I received a speeding ticket. I was once late getting my car inspected. I was fined. In neither case did I submit myself to being physically assaulted. (yes, spanking fits the definition of "assault") We've got some mental health and education professionals here in the CoJ...perhaps they could chime in?
Until they've shown the "marks" to a neutral party, I'll reserve judgement. A mom would NEVER exaggerate about her child, would she? And when I was in HS, they had paddles had speed holes in them that were ONLY used by the coaches and other large male staff, on any and everyone. But you are okay with an adult male spanking a high school female's naked buttocks?
LMAO.....WHERE does it say anything, anywhere about the girl being naked? You can't make this stuff up....you just can't. For the record....I got spanked as a kid by my parents and by school principals. I spanked all of my kids. I'll wack them to this day if they are disrespectful to their mother or me. They aren't so I don't have to. This "argument" will end poorly because there are very strong feelings on both sides....but throwing made up garbage like "naked buttocks" into the discussion is ridiculous. Read the thread - it's a question that was brought up based on the alleged injuries cited in the article. Edited by lisac957 2012-09-23 9:16 PM |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() lisac957 - 2012-09-23 9:15 PM Left Brain - 2012-09-23 9:13 PM lisac957 - 2012-09-23 7:13 PM abqtj - 2012-09-23 7:01 PM ChineseDemocracy - 2012-09-23 5:23 PM lisac957 - 2012-09-23 6:13 PM From reading the article, the issue wasn't the paddling (that was agreed upon by the mother AND daughter, and legal). From the article: "I don't believe a man intentionally meant to do that to her, but it still happens, because men are too big and strong to be hitting 96-pound girls." Correct. My question is this, for marks to be left like this, are these kids required to have their pants down? It sounds that way...and if so, I'll ask again, who in their right mind is allowing this? Someone stated earlier it teaches there are consequences for actions. My question is, who determines what the consequences are? I have broken rules before as an adult. I received a speeding ticket. I was once late getting my car inspected. I was fined. In neither case did I submit myself to being physically assaulted. (yes, spanking fits the definition of "assault") We've got some mental health and education professionals here in the CoJ...perhaps they could chime in?
Until they've shown the "marks" to a neutral party, I'll reserve judgement. A mom would NEVER exaggerate about her child, would she? And when I was in HS, they had paddles had speed holes in them that were ONLY used by the coaches and other large male staff, on any and everyone. But you are okay with an adult male spanking a high school female's naked buttocks?
LMAO.....WHERE does it say anything, anywhere about the girl being naked? You can't make this stuff up....you just can't. For the record....I got spanked as a kid by my parents and by school principals. I spanked all of my kids. I'll wack them to this day if they are disrespectful to their mother or me. They aren't so I don't have to. This "argument" will end poorly because there are very strong feelings on both sides....but throwing made up garbage like "naked buttocks" into the discussion is ridiculous. Read the thread - it's a question that was brought up based on the alleged injuries cited in the article. You're making a HUGE assumption based on nothing you have first hand knowledge of. It's inflammatory and wrong to say she was naked. Again, that's just ridiculous. |
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![]() | ![]() Left Brain - 2012-09-23 9:19 PM lisac957 - 2012-09-23 9:15 PM Left Brain - 2012-09-23 9:13 PM lisac957 - 2012-09-23 7:13 PM abqtj - 2012-09-23 7:01 PM ChineseDemocracy - 2012-09-23 5:23 PM lisac957 - 2012-09-23 6:13 PM From reading the article, the issue wasn't the paddling (that was agreed upon by the mother AND daughter, and legal). From the article: "I don't believe a man intentionally meant to do that to her, but it still happens, because men are too big and strong to be hitting 96-pound girls." Correct. My question is this, for marks to be left like this, are these kids required to have their pants down? It sounds that way...and if so, I'll ask again, who in their right mind is allowing this? Someone stated earlier it teaches there are consequences for actions. My question is, who determines what the consequences are? I have broken rules before as an adult. I received a speeding ticket. I was once late getting my car inspected. I was fined. In neither case did I submit myself to being physically assaulted. (yes, spanking fits the definition of "assault") We've got some mental health and education professionals here in the CoJ...perhaps they could chime in?
Until they've shown the "marks" to a neutral party, I'll reserve judgement. A mom would NEVER exaggerate about her child, would she? And when I was in HS, they had paddles had speed holes in them that were ONLY used by the coaches and other large male staff, on any and everyone. But you are okay with an adult male spanking a high school female's naked buttocks?
LMAO.....WHERE does it say anything, anywhere about the girl being naked? You can't make this stuff up....you just can't. For the record....I got spanked as a kid by my parents and by school principals. I spanked all of my kids. I'll wack them to this day if they are disrespectful to their mother or me. They aren't so I don't have to. This "argument" will end poorly because there are very strong feelings on both sides....but throwing made up garbage like "naked buttocks" into the discussion is ridiculous. Read the thread - it's a question that was brought up based on the alleged injuries cited in the article. You're making a HUGE assumption based on nothing you have first hand knowledge of. It's inflammatory and wrong to say she was naked. Again, that's just ridiculous. Nowhere did I say she was naked. It was a question based on the alleged injuries (blisters). The bottom line is the Vice Principal broke his own rules (male spanking female), he even admitted he didn't know the rules. But to the pro-spanking crowd it's still okay, right? Because "I was spanked and turned out okay!" Talk about ridiculous. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() lisac957 - 2012-09-23 9:22 PM Left Brain - 2012-09-23 9:19 PM lisac957 - 2012-09-23 9:15 PM Left Brain - 2012-09-23 9:13 PM lisac957 - 2012-09-23 7:13 PM abqtj - 2012-09-23 7:01 PM ChineseDemocracy - 2012-09-23 5:23 PM lisac957 - 2012-09-23 6:13 PM From reading the article, the issue wasn't the paddling (that was agreed upon by the mother AND daughter, and legal). From the article: "I don't believe a man intentionally meant to do that to her, but it still happens, because men are too big and strong to be hitting 96-pound girls." Correct. My question is this, for marks to be left like this, are these kids required to have their pants down? It sounds that way...and if so, I'll ask again, who in their right mind is allowing this? Someone stated earlier it teaches there are consequences for actions. My question is, who determines what the consequences are? I have broken rules before as an adult. I received a speeding ticket. I was once late getting my car inspected. I was fined. In neither case did I submit myself to being physically assaulted. (yes, spanking fits the definition of "assault") We've got some mental health and education professionals here in the CoJ...perhaps they could chime in?
Until they've shown the "marks" to a neutral party, I'll reserve judgement. A mom would NEVER exaggerate about her child, would she? And when I was in HS, they had paddles had speed holes in them that were ONLY used by the coaches and other large male staff, on any and everyone. But you are okay with an adult male spanking a high school female's naked buttocks?
LMAO.....WHERE does it say anything, anywhere about the girl being naked? You can't make this stuff up....you just can't. For the record....I got spanked as a kid by my parents and by school principals. I spanked all of my kids. I'll wack them to this day if they are disrespectful to their mother or me. They aren't so I don't have to. This "argument" will end poorly because there are very strong feelings on both sides....but throwing made up garbage like "naked buttocks" into the discussion is ridiculous. Read the thread - it's a question that was brought up based on the alleged injuries cited in the article. You're making a HUGE assumption based on nothing you have first hand knowledge of. It's inflammatory and wrong to say she was naked. Again, that's just ridiculous. Nowhere did I say she was naked. It was a question based on the alleged injuries (blisters). The bottom line is the Vice Principal broke his own rules (male spanking female), he even admitted he didn't know the rules. But to the pro-spanking crowd it's still okay, right? Because "I was spanked and turned out okay!" Talk about ridiculous.
It's a stupid question to even be brought into the discussion. Yeah, I realize that you didn't start it, someone else brought up the idea and you dove off the cliff with them. And yeah, I know.....it's ridiculous to think that ways of raising children for generations is now wrong....I get it. Believe me.....I get it. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Left Brain - 2012-09-23 9:13 PM What if your wife disrespects you? I'm assuming you wouldn't hit her. Why are your children any less? Because you made them? Because they were smaller than you? IMO hitting kids teaches them it is ok to hit others and to be hit by others. Not something I want my sons or daughters ok with. Parents who hit their kids (you can call it whatever you want but whn you strike them you are hitting) have run out of patience, understanding and ideas. I live in Texas and so glad I homeschool. However, I also think Mom is also to blame, what an idiot!lisac957 - 2012-09-23 7:13 PM abqtj - 2012-09-23 7:01 PM ChineseDemocracy - 2012-09-23 5:23 PM lisac957 - 2012-09-23 6:13 PM From reading the article, the issue wasn't the paddling (that was agreed upon by the mother AND daughter, and legal). From the article: "I don't believe a man intentionally meant to do that to her, but it still happens, because men are too big and strong to be hitting 96-pound girls." Correct. My question is this, for marks to be left like this, are these kids required to have their pants down? It sounds that way...and if so, I'll ask again, who in their right mind is allowing this? Someone stated earlier it teaches there are consequences for actions. My question is, who determines what the consequences are? I have broken rules before as an adult. I received a speeding ticket. I was once late getting my car inspected. I was fined. In neither case did I submit myself to being physically assaulted. (yes, spanking fits the definition of "assault") We've got some mental health and education professionals here in the CoJ...perhaps they could chime in?
Until they've shown the "marks" to a neutral party, I'll reserve judgement. A mom would NEVER exaggerate about her child, would she? And when I was in HS, they had paddles had speed holes in them that were ONLY used by the coaches and other large male staff, on any and everyone. But you are okay with an adult male spanking a high school female's naked buttocks?
LMAO.....WHERE does it say anything, anywhere about the girl being naked? You can't make this stuff up....you just can't. For the record....I got spanked as a kid by my parents and by school principals. I spanked all of my kids. I'll wack them to this day if they are disrespectful to their mother or me. They aren't so I don't have to. This "argument" will end poorly because there are very strong feelings on both sides....but throwing made up garbage like "naked buttocks" into the discussion is ridiculous. Oh yeah, I almost forgot.....the male principal of our grade school paddled girls too....I guess we all got our feelings hurt less in the 60's...... or maybe we weren't always on the prowl for the next thing to be offended over. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Hey....for this one, sorry I got in the middle of your party...carry on....I have no desire to even see where this goes. I'm out....have fun!!! |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Left Brain - 2012-09-23 10:32 PM Hey....for this one, sorry I got in the middle of your party...carry on....I have no desire to even see where this goes. I'm out....have fun!!! You get right back in here young man! You've got a paddlin' a-waitin' for ya! LB, I didn't mean to upset anybody with the reference to "pants down," but I seriously do not know how people spank. I get the why, (I'm seriously opposed to it, but I understand the motive) I was seriously just asking how because based on the injury report, I don't know how those injuries would happen if say the girl's wearing jeans.
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