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2004-09-24 1:17 AM

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Subject: This is for the parents...not tri related....about kids growing pains
Yes, I know...COMPLETELY off topic and unrelated to the boards....
but most of my friends don't have kids and don't see a need to call the dr yet, and I've come to respect and trust you guys....

My son is 7 1/2, tall, lanky, growing like a weed (ahhh, the days of tall and *lanky*)....tonight we did story time, tuck into bed and turn out the lights he calls out for me a bit later....his legs are hurting him...specifically, once I ask him to show me...the backs of his legs, behind his kneecap. (he tells me that it's been painful the last couple days)

I know Jack (that's his name, not a slang phrase) and I know when he's trying to push my buttons (i.e. stay up late). The kid's in pain. Told me that sometimes when he jumps out of the car the last few days when I drop him off at school in the morn he feels it as well (no, I don't push him out of moving cars). I recall now that this happened a few months ago, lasted for a week or so then went away...

My call...that would be, Dr. Crapadiem to you folks, would be growing pains???? I've heard tell of it before. As it's been about 16 years since I was 7 (like that young reference there, dontcha?) I'm having trouble recalling.

What I'm looking for....

1. All with kids that age or older, have you had this happen?
2. Has anyone read anything on this? Is there such a thing as growing pains? I believe I've read that there is. (Obviously I'm doing my own research on this as well)
3. suggestions for easing his pain? ie hot pads, ice packs, ibuprofen? what helps them thru this?

I tried to reassure him tonight when I was tucking him back in...told him that I went thru the same growing pains when I was his size. He looked at me weird at the reference that I used to be his size and said, "How did you drive your car?"

Ahhhh, from the mouths of babes, yes?

I told him all the things my mom used to do to me (citing similarities to his routine in order to show a commonality for him) and he got a kick out of threatening telling *my* mom when I didn't go to bed after I tucked him in.

Damn, I love that kid....it kills me how fast he's growing up.

Anywho, any thoughts, advice, like stories would be appreciated.

I'm going to monitor over the weekend and if he still complains of it will call the dr. monday morn....

Thanks Dr. BT....





Edited by crpadiem 2004-09-24 1:24 AM


2004-09-24 4:39 AM
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I consulted Mrs Pikle (who is a real doctor by the way!) and she said that there IS such a thing as growing pains, usually joint and bone related and not muscular, and that it is fairly common, especially when kids are growing quite fast. She also gave the usual caveat that if it persists or you think it may be something else then make sure you visit your doctor.

Hope that helps - its more of a response than I usually get when I think there might be something wrong with me!!! LOL

Cool - thats 400 posts as well. Glad I finally posted soemthing that may be of help at last....



Edited by Bigpikle 2004-09-24 4:40 AM
2004-09-24 6:31 AM
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Hi Nancy,

It's hard when our kids hurt dosen't it?  I have 2 boys, now 11 & 9. The 11 yr old never went through those aches and pains, but my youngest, Torben often does. It started years ago with complaints of leg pain at night (and no not 'I want attention type complaints'). I would massage them, (this provided the best relief), offer ice or heat - it varied on which worked, and try to help him understand about his body growing. I did occassionally give him tylenol or ibuprofen.  He would also wake up at night sometimes b/c of it. He still does have leg pain occasionally, but not as frequently. I suspect it will be back with adolescents though.  He too is tall and lanky - skinniest little legs I've ever seen!

Explaining the role of vitamins/nurtients might be helpful in encouraging healthy food choices too ( mostly we still decide what they eat, but ) - not sure how much of a role this plays into those growing pains, but proper calcium/vit D etc can't hurt.

Good luck, Nancy, and give Jack a hug,

Sann 

2004-09-24 8:20 AM
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My brother had pains growing up. Quinine (yes, the anti-maleria drug) alleviates muscle cramps, esp. leg cramps. There is quinine in tonic water (yes, that which mixes with Gin) - so you might want to try giving him a small cup of tonic water for a few nights. Yes it tastes yucky for a child, but you can squeeze lime into it or maybe even mix with some Hawaiian Punch.

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2004-09-24 10:00 AM
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Subject: RE: This is for the parents...not tri related....about kids growing pains
thanks, guys...this does help.

It does sound like growing pains. This morning he's doing better.

I like the idea of utilizing this as an opportunity to open the door to conversations about his growing up and eating choices and will jump on that and do so.

Yes, it does suck when they hurt....I wish there was a magic wand I could wave over him to take on the pain he's in as well as protect him from any pain physical, mental, emotional in the future....haha. SO not realistic, but man, they're your kids!!!

thanks


2004-09-26 2:04 PM
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We have had the same experience w/ my 7 1/2 yo daughter. Pain in the knees at bedtime for no apparent reason. Nothing you can do but hug.

-Tim


2004-09-27 10:42 AM
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I vividly remember going through wicked growing pains when I was 12 ( I grew 12 inches in about 8 months).Every bone and joint in my body felt like it was sprained at once.  My knees were especially painful.

It helped to elevate them, and to sleep with a pillow between my knees (I do that to this day). Hot and cold baths helped me a little. There was no ibuprophen at the time, but it probably would have helped a little.

 I firmly believe, though, that I developed my high tolerence to pain [ i actually am fairly resistant to pain, so much so that my Dr. usually skimps on my pain meds ;-(  ] During that period.  I realized that

1. The fact that it wasn't fair didn't matter, it was just going to hurt.

2. I wasn't going to die because of it

3. Sometimes you just have to suck it up and go on

These were new lessons for me as a kid. Sure, I whined and complained, and felt sorry for myself. However, in retrospect, what I took away from that miserable summer was worth it in the long run. I know it was pretty tough on my parents too.

2004-09-27 11:14 AM
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Anecdotally, people say that calcium sometimes helps with growing pains.  Most kids that experience growing pains feel it in the knee or just below the knee. 

Did you mean to call yourself Dr. Crapadiem?  I chuckled at that.

2004-09-27 3:01 PM
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Okay, I don't have kids, but I have something called "Restless Leg Syndrome."  To me it sounds like a made-up disease, but it's real and there's a website about it: http://www.rls.org/what_is_rls/ (or Google for it and you'll find lots of sites). It runs in my family.  I'm lucky and it doesn't affect me too much; I don't need medication and it doesn't usually wake me up in the middle of the night.  What happens is if I'm tired or I've been sitting still for too long, my legs start to ache...sometimes it's just a dull ache and sometimes it's pretty painful.  People tend to think I'm fidgety (which I am) but it's just because I need to keep my legs moving all the time.  Sitting in a chair in the normal fashion is a killer for me.  At work, I almost always have one leg up by my butt or I'm sitting cross-legged (which is REALLY hard to do an an office chair )

Not sure if it relates to your son at all, but I thought I would pass along the information.  I'm not sure what causes it, but I've had it since I was a teenager (I'm 31 now so I've learned to live with it).

2004-09-27 5:44 PM
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Subject: RE: This is for the parents...not tri related....about kids growing pains
Thank you guys for all the info...it's helped me out a lot....
The weekend went well and he hasn't complained since so I'm thinking it's growing pains....he tried to slip in the "my legs are hurting" last night as we settled down for homework but I saw through that one pretty quick....

I'm going to monitor him and his diet to do what I can to make sure he's getting the nutrients he needs and keep a steady supply of hugs and comfort on hand....(figure I have to get all the hugs in now b/c one of these days I'm going to get the stiff-armed "Moooooooooom, stop HUGGING me....")

2004-09-27 5:54 PM
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COgirl - 2004-09-27 8:14 AM

Did you mean to call yourself Dr. Crapadiem?  I chuckled at that.



Yeah, i did....there was a thread going around about how we got our screen names and a couple people made the observation they read it as "Crap-a-diem" so I went with the play on words....



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crpadiem - 2004-09-27 3:54 PM
COgirl - 2004-09-27 8:14 AM

Did you mean to call yourself Dr. Crapadiem?  I chuckled at that.

Yeah, i did....there was a thread going around about how we got our screen names and a couple people made the observation they read it as "Crap-a-diem" so I went with the play on words....

You must be very regular.

2004-09-28 4:49 PM
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crpadiem - 2004-09-27 3:54 PM
COgirl - 2004-09-27 8:14 AM

Did you mean to call yourself Dr. Crapadiem?  I chuckled at that.

Yeah, i did....there was a thread going around about how we got our screen names and a couple people made the observation they read it as "Crap-a-diem" so I went with the play on words....

You must be very regular.

I know this is a serious thread,  but hilarious comment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Edited by glf33 2004-09-28 4:50 PM
2004-10-03 9:25 AM
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As a sufferer of growing pains myself yes, there is such a thing. When I was about 12 I was even diagnosed with this:
http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic347.htm

Osgood Schlatter's disease, which is just a fancy name for the fact that sometimes when we are growing, especially for those who are going to be tall, sometimes the bones and tendons are not growing at the same rate. Which causes pain. I remember that my knee would hurt so bad that I couldn't sleep, couldn't walk on it etc. I actually had to go around on crutches for a while cause my knee was so painful. Luckily, it only affected one side.

My daughter also had the same problem at about 11. It took her about a year to grow out of it, and there were days when I excused her from PE at school because her legs hurt. I didn't take her to the doctor, cause all they told *my* Mom when I had the problem, was just to wait and it would go away. Of course, if it had hurt so bad she couldn't walk we would have been at the doctor, but thankfully, she never had the problem as bad as I did. My personal opinion is that growing pains affect the legs more as we just use them more.

Treat it like any injury, rest, ice, elevation - or instead of ice, try a hot water bottle, that helped me out more than the ice and my daughter as well.
2004-10-09 7:08 PM
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Yes there is such a thing. Your femurs (thigh bones) are the fastest growing bones in your body. Tibias are second (shin) Many times the muscles have trouble keeping up with the bone growth. kids going thru a growth spurt can also be susceptible to apophysitis. Where a tendon attatches to the growth plate is called an apophysis. Ossgood- Schalleters ansd Sever's are forms of this. Try and see if you van get your son to do some stretching. It will probably help, but hes probably really tight too.
2004-10-09 9:12 PM
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u guys...again, thank you for this info...seriously...it's great.
I'm resting much, much easier now.....dr's can tell you only so much....I've learned that the hard way as my son was stuck in the medical system with life threatening injuries when he was young and I realized that *I* am his only advocate and that it's connecting with others, like me, who have kids, parents....that I can garner so much more information sometimes.....

now I only have one more question.......any advice on how to fix it so he stops growing up so gosh darn fast? we were at the pumpkin patch today and I got a glimpse of him in the patch and it hit me like a ton of bricks....my baby is growing up so damn fast! it's so, so bittersweet, is it not? At times you can't WAIT for them to get independent....at others all you want is to hear their voice as they call for you and encircle you with their arms and just inhale their...their...their smell, their essence and you just want to hold on and never let the feeling or moment end.

sigh

i'm getting old.....and so is my son!

thanks again.



2004-10-10 3:02 AM
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Nope, unfortunately, you can't stop them growing. I keep threatening mine I'm going to stick them in a box, but they keep growing anyway. It's an annoying habit kids have.
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