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2008-09-17 3:13 PM

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Me and a few friends started training for Tri`s a little over a month ago. We are not going in any triathlons until next June.

At this point we are just training hard, and not following any specific plan. If you want to look at my training log it is all there.

There are no specifics that we are following.

 

My question is, should we be following some sort of training plan, like the ones on the site. The only reason we have not done so is because we still have like 9 months away from our first tri, and all the plans shown are much shorter then that....should we do one, and move up to the next level and keep doing that???

 

Opinions would be appreciated.

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2008-09-17 3:35 PM
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Check out some of the winter maintenace plans that BT has- they are great to follow in the off season because they provide structure and there's plenty of options.

Also, try to look for some road races, 1/2 marathon, or marathons (not sure what your run fitness is like) to do in the off season.  That will give you a goal to work toward before your tri, since June is a long way from now.

Good job training- just make sure you train smart and don't over do it.  You definitely don't want to burn out or get injured before your tri!

2008-09-17 3:50 PM
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Check out some of the winter maintenace plans that BT has- they are great to follow in the off season because they provide structure and there's plenty of options.

Also, try to look for some road races, 1/2 marathon, or marathons (not sure what your run fitness is like) to do in the off season.  That will give you a goal to work toward before your tri, since June is a long way from now.

Good job training- just make sure you train smart and don't over do it.  You definitely don't want to burn out or get injured before your tri!

 

Thank you, I will check out the winter maintenance plans. I live in Canada so unfortunetly there are no races in the winter.

We are actually going in a Duathlon about a month from now, but that will be the only race we will be going in until the next summer season. I might have a few other races before the tri in June though.

 

Thanks again for your information.

 

2008-09-17 3:56 PM
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The maintenance plans are probably a good route. If you just "train hard" you're likely to run into a couple of issues: boredom and burnout.

You'll get bored because you're not moving towards a specific goal and it will be harder to track your progress.

You'll get physically burned out if you just keeping training at relatively high volumes and/or intensities consistently week after week. Your body will get tired and won't be able to adapt to the workload you're piling on it. Most training plans will have 2 or 3 weeks of increasing volume and intensity and then a week of significantly reduced volume. It's known as a recovery week and can work wonders for your conditioning.
2008-09-17 4:08 PM
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Definitely find a plan to follow; the winter maintenance ones here are solid and will help you build fitness for next season.

As for racing over the winter, here are some of the things that you may be able to find:

  • Cyclocross
  • Cross Country Running
  • Lots of 5/10k's available - Run for the Cure, Santa Shuffle, Resolution Run (check Running Room website, RunPEI, etc)
  • Half Mary - Hypothermic Half in Feb (Halifax)
  • Master's swim meets

There used to be some aquathons around but haven't seen any the last few years.

Good luck, hope to see you around next season (or maybe at something over the winter),

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2008-09-17 4:13 PM
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Hey Mig.  Are you sure there are no running races in the winter?  I'm in Minnesota and at roughly the same latitude.  We have all kinds of road races throughout the year.  Check out active.com.  I bet there's at least a 5k over Christmas or New Year's.  Or are you Canadians smarter than us in Minnesota?


2008-09-17 7:21 PM
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gsmacleod - 2008-09-17 4:08 PM

Definitely find a plan to follow; the winter maintenance ones here are solid and will help you build fitness for next season.

As for racing over the winter, here are some of the things that you may be able to find:

  • Cyclocross
  • Cross Country Running
  • Lots of 5/10k's available - Run for the Cure, Santa Shuffle, Resolution Run (check Running Room website, RunPEI, etc)
  • Half Mary - Hypothermic Half in Feb (Halifax)
  • Master's swim meets

There used to be some aquathons around but haven't seen any the last few years.

Good luck, hope to see you around next season (or maybe at something over the winter),

Shane

 

Thanks all for the information. I guess I just stayed away from the thought of winter maintenance because I don`t want to maintain I want to keep gaining and gaining.

gsmacleod, me and my buddy are actually going to Bridgewater for a Duathlon on October 19th, so that should be a good start to see where we stand.

I will have to get a membership and start myself on a training plan, because right now we are just training hard pretty much all the time. We have had huge gains and its great, but we might as well go with something proven, it should work much better.

What are the different heart rate ranges that people talk about, like Z1 Z2 etc....I`ll have to do some reading on that..

 

Thanks again everyone

2008-09-17 7:38 PM
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I think if nothing else the "plans" build mental toughness.  If you go ad hoc, you do what you feel like doing that day.  If you use a plan you need the discipline to follow it, and follow it long term.  I know this is a skill because I was never able to follow a plan for more than 6 weeks when I was in my 20's.  Now I am more patient (still working on it though) and it is paying off so far.  To do something like a marathon or IM (do it well) you will need to follow a plan...unless you are just super in tune to your body (which is doubtful since you havn't actually put the body through these events yet).

 Another benefit is the excitement of planning your day/week around your workouts.  Your plan is like your friend...only it doesn't ever talk you into bad ideas like "hey, lets ride our mountain bikes for 7 hours today instead of a 3 mile recovery run".

2008-09-17 8:12 PM
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sax - 2008-09-17 7:38 PM

I think if nothing else the "plans" build mental toughness.  If you go ad hoc, you do what you feel like doing that day.  If you use a plan you need the discipline to follow it, and follow it long term.  I know this is a skill because I was never able to follow a plan for more than 6 weeks when I was in my 20's.  Now I am more patient (still working on it though) and it is paying off so far.  To do something like a marathon or IM (do it well) you will need to follow a plan...unless you are just super in tune to your body (which is doubtful since you havn't actually put the body through these events yet).

 Another benefit is the excitement of planning your day/week around your workouts.  Your plan is like your friend...only it doesn't ever talk you into bad ideas like "hey, lets ride our mountain bikes for 7 hours today instead of a 3 mile recovery run".

Thanks for that sax, I hear ya...I think one of the best reasons to follow the plan might be because of what you just said...it makes you push it when you should push it and take it easy when you should take it easy...and not just do what your body feels like doing that day.

I guess i`ll have to take a better look at the training plans, because the ones I saw all seem to be either way too slow/short for my fitness level or too high...I`ll have to dig deeper I think...

 

Thanks again

2008-09-17 8:46 PM
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Don't underestimate the plans here.  Most of them are built around your heart rate zones or a rate of perceived exertion (RPE).  They will start at a relatively slow pace (the base phase) to build endurance and then progress to strength, then speed, and then taper before a race.  
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BikerGrrrl - 2008-09-17 2:13 PM Hey Mig.  Are you sure there are no running races in the winter?  I'm in Minnesota and at roughly the same latitude.  We have all kinds of road races throughout the year.  Check out active.com.  I bet there's at least a 5k over Christmas or New Year's.  Or are you Canadians smarter than us in Minnesota?

 I think we're far less intelligent.  I know of a 50 mile self supported resolution run followed by a polar bear swim.  There's an optional second lap if you feel it's not challenging enough.



2008-09-18 6:22 AM
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daijoubu - 2008-09-17 8:46 PM Don't underestimate the plans here.  Most of them are built around your heart rate zones or a rate of perceived exertion (RPE).  They will start at a relatively slow pace (the base phase) to build endurance and then progress to strength, then speed, and then taper before a race.  

 

That is true, I guess I will have to go through the plans and pick the best one for me..for the level I have already reached in my training.

Thanks...and I think i`ll stay away from those polar swims, lol

2008-09-18 6:44 AM
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I would offer that now is not really the time for you to "train hard". Now is an excellent time for you to build aerobic endurance in all three sports. An alternative to following a winter maintenance plan, if you choose, would be to basically shoot to swim, bike, and run 2-3 times per week. Start where you are now (i.e., a distance or time you can comfortably do each sport) and slowly add to your time or distance each week. Most of your swim/bike/run workouts at this point should be at a relatively easy aerobic pace. It's okay to throw a tempo session in now and then, but IMO your focus now should be on building your endurance.

Take a look at the training plans that are available for the distance race you are planning. Look at what will be required at the beginning of the plan, and work on getting there. From your logs, it looks like your swimming might need a little work. Now would be an excellent time to commit some time to working on your swim stroke, either through getting some lessons or trying something like the Total Immersion swim program, which many new swimmers find helpful in getting them more comfortable and efficient in the water.

Again, most of your effort at this point should be relatively easy. If you go out too hard right off the bat, you'll risk injuring yourself or getting burnt out before your race.

Welcome to the wonderful world of triathlon! Good luck preparing for your race!!!
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jsnowash - 2008-09-18 6:44 AM I would offer that now is not really the time for you to "train hard". Now is an excellent time for you to build aerobic endurance in all three sports. An alternative to following a winter maintenance plan, if you choose, would be to basically shoot to swim, bike, and run 2-3 times per week. Start where you are now (i.e., a distance or time you can comfortably do each sport) and slowly add to your time or distance each week. Most of your swim/bike/run workouts at this point should be at a relatively easy aerobic pace. It's okay to throw a tempo session in now and then, but IMO your focus now should be on building your endurance. Take a look at the training plans that are available for the distance race you are planning. Look at what will be required at the beginning of the plan, and work on getting there. From your logs, it looks like your swimming might need a little work. Now would be an excellent time to commit some time to working on your swim stroke, either through getting some lessons or trying something like the Total Immersion swim program, which many new swimmers find helpful in getting them more comfortable and efficient in the water. Again, most of your effort at this point should be relatively easy. If you go out too hard right off the bat, you'll risk injuring yourself or getting burnt out before your race. Welcome to the wonderful world of triathlon! Good luck preparing for your race!!!

 

Thank you very much for your post. Swimming is definitely where I am hurting...We just started training for swimming about 6 or 7 weeks ago and I haven`t been swimming for years...so its a slow start, but we are working at it. We were looking into Total Immersion but the closest one to us is about 16 hours away... so we`ll see if they will come to us if we can get a big enough group together.

 

Our first race is a sprint, at this point I have no worries in the world about not being able to finish it...the only thing holding me back from doing one today would be my swimming...(blah, so hard to get going with that).

I will have to go through all the plans and see which one works better...but none are very very long..so should I complete one and go one to another one, and another one until my first sprint???

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I like like the training plans, because they help me to NOT over train. I have trained without a plan in the past, and although i got fit and lost weight, did not improve much after a few months. these plans seem to work.

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2008-09-18 8:07 AM
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KML - 2008-09-18 7:06 AM I like like the training plans, because they help me to NOT over train. I have trained without a plan in the past, and although i got fit and lost weight, did not improve much after a few months. these plans seem to work. kevin

 

Thanks for the input KML, great advice from experience.



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Thank you very much for your post. Swimming is definitely where I am hurting...We just started training for swimming about 6 or 7 weeks ago and I haven`t been swimming for years...so its a slow start, but we are working at it. We were looking into Total Immersion but the closest one to us is about 16 hours away... so we`ll see if they will come to us if we can get a big enough group together


Well, there you go.... sounds like your focus should be on swimming for now. Total Immersion is certainly not the only way to improve your swimming. If you can find a local swim instructor, that's a good route to go, too. You can also purchase the Total Immersion book & DVD (I think the DVD is helpful so you can see exactly what the drills look like) and work on those techniques on your own. It's not necessary to attend one of their clinics....

I would suggest at this point that you try to swim as much as possible, maybe 4 or 5 times/week, and just keep your running and biking at kind of a maintenance level for now. You can add in some run & bike speedwork when you get closer to your race.
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jsnowash - 2008-09-18 8:09 AM
Thank you very much for your post. Swimming is definitely where I am hurting...We just started training for swimming about 6 or 7 weeks ago and I haven`t been swimming for years...so its a slow start, but we are working at it. We were looking into Total Immersion but the closest one to us is about 16 hours away... so we`ll see if they will come to us if we can get a big enough group together
Well, there you go.... sounds like your focus should be on swimming for now. Total Immersion is certainly not the only way to improve your swimming. If you can find a local swim instructor, that's a good route to go, too. You can also purchase the Total Immersion book & DVD (I think the DVD is helpful so you can see exactly what the drills look like) and work on those techniques on your own. It's not necessary to attend one of their clinics.... I would suggest at this point that you try to swim as much as possible, maybe 4 or 5 times/week, and just keep your running and biking at kind of a maintenance level for now. You can add in some run & bike speedwork when you get closer to your race.

Thank you jsnowash, we were actually thinking of going to 4 times per week...and I think we probably should because we are hurting on that aspect that is for sure!

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Mig - 2008-09-17 9:21 PM

gsmacleod, me and my buddy are actually going to Bridgewater for a Duathlon on October 19th, so that should be a good start to see where we stand.

I will have to get a membership and start myself on a training plan, because right now we are just training hard pretty much all the time. We have had huge gains and its great, but we might as well go with something proven, it should work much better.

I was wondering if it might have been Riverport; I haven't done that race (not sure about this year) but I've heard great things about it.

The key thing you want over the winter is to continue to make gains but to do so in a logical fashion; the winter maintenance plans will definitely help you continue to see progress, especially if you are new to this.  The biggest return for novice athletes is just being consistent so you would be doing more than maintaining.

I would definitely look into masters swimming over the winter; you mention that as a weakness and swimming with others (and with a coach on deck) will likely prove invaluable.

Good luck in Riverport, I might see you there,

Shane

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jsnowash - 2008-09-18 9:09 AM
Thank you very much for your post. Swimming is definitely where I am hurting...We just started training for swimming about 6 or 7 weeks ago and I haven`t been swimming for years...so its a slow start, but we are working at it. We were looking into Total Immersion but the closest one to us is about 16 hours away... so we`ll see if they will come to us if we can get a big enough group together
Well, there you go.... sounds like your focus should be on swimming for now. Total Immersion is certainly not the only way to improve your swimming. If you can find a local swim instructor, that's a good route to go, too. You can also purchase the Total Immersion book & DVD (I think the DVD is helpful so you can see exactly what the drills look like) and work on those techniques on your own. It's not necessary to attend one of their clinics.... I would suggest at this point that you try to swim as much as possible, maybe 4 or 5 times/week, and just keep your running and biking at kind of a maintenance level for now. You can add in some run & bike speedwork when you get closer to your race.

If you want to work on your swimming, I highly recommend this book.  It's waterproof so you can set it on the side of the pool and has some really good workouts.  It also has a schedule to follow, so you can work on drills, endurance, and speed.

http://www.all3sports.com/product_info.php?pName=workouts-in-a-binder-swim-workouts-for-triathletes

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Mig - 2008-09-17 9:21 PM

gsmacleod, me and my buddy are actually going to Bridgewater for a Duathlon on October 19th, so that should be a good start to see where we stand.

I will have to get a membership and start myself on a training plan, because right now we are just training hard pretty much all the time. We have had huge gains and its great, but we might as well go with something proven, it should work much better.

I was wondering if it might have been Riverport; I haven't done that race (not sure about this year) but I've heard great things about it.

The key thing you want over the winter is to continue to make gains but to do so in a logical fashion; the winter maintenance plans will definitely help you continue to see progress, especially if you are new to this.  The biggest return for novice athletes is just being consistent so you would be doing more than maintaining.

I would definitely look into masters swimming over the winter; you mention that as a weakness and swimming with others (and with a coach on deck) will likely prove invaluable.

Good luck in Riverport, I might see you there,

Shane

Hey Shane, yes it is Riverport, should be an interesting race...it will help us see where we are at for running and biking for sure...and it is something to work towards at the same time.

We are going to start asking around at the pool we swim at to see if their is a masters swim or something of the sorts, so hopefully their will be something and we can give that a go.

 

Thanks for the link RunnerGirl I might just get that, my buddy got the training cards from Total Immersion and we have been using those a bit..we should probably use them and other things more to improve our technique.

 

Thanks!



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