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2005-08-30 9:45 AM

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I normally wouldn't do this, but it's getting rediculous! I got this via email and figured 'What the hell, it couldn't hurt'.

****** JOIN the RESISTANCE!!!!(I think this might work! This is one e-mail I'll keep passing!!!) I hear we are going to hit close to $3.00 a gallon by the end of summer and it might go higher!! Want gasoline prices to come down? We need to take some intelligent, united action. Phillip Hollsworth, offered this good idea: This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain day"campaign that was going around last April or May! The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing to buy gas. It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them. BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can really work. Please read it and join with us! By now you'reprobably thinking gasoline priced at about $1.50 is super cheap. Metoo! It is currently $2.43 for regular unleaded in my town. Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50- $1.75, we need to take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the market place....not sellers. With the price of gasoline going up more each day, we consumers need to take action. The only way we are going to see the price of gas come down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas! And we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves. HOW? Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying gas. But we CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all act together to force a price war. Here's the idea: For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline from the TWO BIGGEST COMPANIES (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL. If they are not selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit. But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of Exxon and Mobil gas buyers. It's really simple to do!! Now, don't whimp out on me at this point... keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!! I am sending this note to about thirty people. If each of you send it to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300) ... and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000)...and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers. If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes one level further, you guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!! Again, all You have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all. How long would all that take? If each of us sends this e-mail out to ten more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!! I'll bet you didn't think you and I had that much potential, did you! Acting together we can make a difference. If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on. PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $1.30 RANGE AND KEEP THEM DOWN. THIS CAN REALLY WORK. Kerry Lyle, Director, Research Coordinator Interventional Cardiology Research Laboratories Division of Cardiovascular Diseases932 Ziegler Research Bldg703 South 19th Street University of Alabama @ B'ham


2005-08-30 10:25 AM
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NO, what the compaines are going to do is raise prices to off set the loss of customers. Then the other companies are going to raise there prices, why because they can and people will still buy the gas.

Oil isn't like any other commodity. You don't buy gas you don't live, your power to make money goes to zero. Try to make the 20 mile commute to work with out gas.

********Caution rant on energy********
Whats going to happen in 20 years when there is no oil left? Don't laugh, it's a serious question. There is only a finite volume of oil available. Everything we do to today requires oil, EVERYTHING, cars, heating, pick up anything on your desk and that product required oil for productions.

How are you going to retire when the basic cost of living has increased by a factor of 10, on top of inflation because of lack oil. How are you going to travel to visit your grandchildren when you can't find a gasoline station that has gas?

Some will say we'll always find new oil fields. True, but oil is still a fintie resource and it will run out. Who's to say we're going to be able to drill for the oil? We have a large reserve of oil in Anwr but we cann't drill because of a bunch of tree-huggers, who by the way complain about the price of gas.

And in the end, it all comes down to the exponential increased demand for energy. Today's technology and supply will not be able to keep up with demand. We are in an energy crisis right now. We need to break ground on new nuclear power plant every 3 months to keep up with demand in 20 years. If we wait 20 years it's too late.

But hey what do I know?

There could be a plague that takes out half the world population???
2005-08-30 10:44 AM
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I agree with you 100% John. We've been harping about the limited supply of world oil for years, but the oil industry is the leader in the fight to stymie the use of alternative fuels. And the nuclear power industry took a lot of hits after the 3-Mile Island debacle. Nuclear energy in this country COULD be a lot cheaper, but there are no standards from plant to plant on reactor design, fuel rod bundle size, and a host of other issues. And due to over-zealous watchdog agencies, the safety factors have nearly crippled the industry. It's not enough to have a backup relief valve for a cooling pump...you also need a back up cooling pump and associated valves, PLUS back-ups for the back ups, ad nauseum.

I work for a company that manufactures nuclear spent fuel rod storage containers, and the government throttling on what can be done with spent fuel is a separate issue. Blame good old Jimmy Carter here. He was the one who signed legislation forbidding the USA from selling spent fuel rod material to other countries who have the processing capabilities to recycle it. Unwarranted paranoia about power plant fuel being used to make nuclear weapons (it's not even the same stuff!) deludes the public into thinking that the junk will be floating around in the street for someone to manufacture bombs. There are easier ways...Timothy McVeigh showed how to do that, and I don't see anyone out there prohibiting the sale of fertilizer!

2005-08-30 10:56 AM
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Hey,

Can't we all just ride our bikes and get along?

I don't know much about the oil industry or gas so I'm totally out of the loop on this. But I do know we have a finite amount of resources in oil but we do have alternatives for fuel. What about all that surplus corn those Indiana farmers keep growing? Can't we turn that into ethanol?

2005-08-30 10:59 AM
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I agree with you both, I'm just throwing this out for opinions. I don't however, understand why the oil and gas companies are showing RECORD profits at our expense.
2005-08-30 11:00 AM
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YESSSS, some one here knows what Jimmy Crater did to the nuclear field!!!!! I get all worked up in conversations with nuclear waste and Yucca mountain and the such and I can never get to the point that Jimmie Crater started the entire problem.


2005-08-30 11:03 AM
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ethanol is the biggest scam in the freaking world!!!!!!!! It takes more gasoline to produce the ethanol than the amount of ethanol you get out of the process.
2005-08-30 11:08 AM
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infosteward - 2005-08-30 10:56 AM

Can't we all just ride our bikes and get along?

September 22 is World Car Free Day. Just sayin'...

www.worldcarfree.net

2005-08-30 2:57 PM
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PLEASE don't buy into this - the same thing circulates at least once a year, and I don't think it ever does much good.

Just FYI - I used to work for ExxonMobil and the amount of profit they make off each gallon of gas is approximately a whopping 4 CENTS.  They aren't going to decrease gas station prices by a dollar just because of some dippy email floating around - they'd shut down the refineries before they'd lose that much money on an operation that big. They have to raise gas prices with oil prices because when oil prices go up, refining costs increase likewise.  They have to regain the money they put into the process somehow - they therefore charge more at the pump.

I'm not pro oil company or anything (there's a reason I don't work there anymore!!), but everytime I see this thing I cringe at it - it's BS. Seriously.

2005-08-30 3:15 PM
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Blackbud - 2005-08-30 8:59 AM I agree with you both, I'm just throwing this out for opinions. I don't however, understand why the oil and gas companies are showing RECORD profits at our expense.

They show record profits because while the price of oil increases, the cost to the oil company to produce a barrel of oil remains the same for a given oil field.  For instance, if a company in the US produces a barrel of crude in the Gulf of Mexico for $19/bbl, they're thrilled when the price of oil skyrockets to $71/bbl.  They can sell it in a global market at the price because there is sufficient demand at that price.  However, a refinery in Houston also has to buy crude at that price, which increases their production cost of gasoline, hence the high gas prices.

These companies make their big bucks selling crude oil.  Gasoline is not the main source of those record profits.  Take a look at EM's profits for a given year - the majority of earnings are usually in the exploration/production side of the business.  In 2004, 65% of EM's earnings came from the upstream business (production of crude oil), while only 20% of earnings came from the downstream business (gasoline, motor oil, etc.).  Earnings from the upstream business increased ~40% from 2002 due to increased oil prices - hence the "record" earnings.

Hope I don't sound too cranky here -  I just want people to understand why a big oil company could never sell gas for $1.50/gallon with crude selling at $71/bbl.  They would simply lose too much money.



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2005-08-30 3:25 PM
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Yeah sorry, it's not going to work. Check out
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/petition/gasout.asp
for more info.

Jen


2005-08-31 11:58 AM
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jeng - 2005-08-30 3:25 PM

Yeah sorry, it's not going to work. Check out
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/petition/gasout.asp
for more info.

Jen


Thank you.
2005-08-31 1:10 PM
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Well for one thing i think that the gas companies are jerks for blaming the hurricane for the increase in gas prices. Yes i know that it did have an impact but the papers were saying a week before the hurrican hit that gas prices were going to jump this week and be on the rise to 5 bux a gallon by the end of winter.
Was I the only one that saw the article (Newsweek i think it was) were the saudis were saying they have no idea why are gas prices are so high over here and that they aren't at a shortage. Also why is it were paying so much when over there it's only 5 cents a gallon. You can blame it on shipping costs but there gas prices sure haven't seemed to have risen as opposed our's.
Lets face the facts though, energy is at a shortage and even if we can find other energy supplies (my vote is for hydrogen manufactured via nuclearenergy. Very cost efficent) it doesn't matter because all resources are finite. The Sun is basically the supplier of 99.99999% of the world's energy and we depend on photosynthesis to convert it to energy we can use. The problem is, forests are getting cut down, and plants can only photosynthesie at a certain pace. sooner or later were going to come to a point were the amount of organisms (humans mainly) just are in to great of numbers to have enough energy. This therefore defines an ecosystem's carrying capacity. Right now most scientists predict that the US is at if not over it's carrying capacity. If we continuee at our population growth as it is right now we'll end up in a downward spiral unitll some type of equilibrium is accomplished. Look at other energy sources now but no matter what you do, with the human population at the numbers that they are right now the amount of available energy will be to small to provide the us. Sure this might not happen for a few decades, or centuries but eventually an equilibrium will have to be reached and the longer we prolong our lag time by consuming the other finite resources that have been stored in this great earth the bigger we'll fall when there just isn't enough. And yes I have been studying for an ecology test.
2005-08-31 6:59 PM
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This country uses 22 million barrels of oil per day. Our own refineries have the capability to produce 7 million barrels per day. We import the rest. The advice is simple. Supply and demand covers it. You want prices to go down? Stop using so much. Think globally, act locally. Everything uses oil, either directly or in manufacture or transportation.

My biggest beef is "over packaging" of products. Ever go to a store, buy 1 item and then have the clerk put the item into a plastic bag? What for? Can't you carry it in your hand? The bag costs oil to manufacture, then it's probably going to wind up in a landfill. Why does a compact disc have to come in this bizarre plastic case? What's the matter with a simple cardboard sleeve? At least the cardboard came from a tree which is renewable. I buy a package of English muffins. They come in a cardboard tray, inserted into a plastic bag. Why can't they eliminate the cardboard? Mulitplied by millions of packages all over the country.

OK, my blood pressure is going up.....Rant off...

2005-08-31 7:16 PM
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max - 2005-08-31 6:59 PM

This country uses 22 million barrels of oil per day. Our own refineries have the capability to produce 7 million barrels per day. We import the rest. The advice is simple. Supply and demand covers it. You want prices to go down? Stop using so much. Think globally, act locally. Everything uses oil, either directly or in manufacture or transportation.

My biggest beef is "over packaging" of products. Ever go to a store, buy 1 item and then have the clerk put the item into a plastic bag? What for? Can't you carry it in your hand? The bag costs oil to manufacture, then it's probably going to wind up in a landfill. Why does a compact disc have to come in this bizarre plastic case? What's the matter with a simple cardboard sleeve? At least the cardboard came from a tree which is renewable. I buy a package of English muffins. They come in a cardboard tray, inserted into a plastic bag. Why can't they eliminate the cardboard? Mulitplied by millions of packages all over the country.

OK, my blood pressure is going up.....Rant off...



Great point max. I remember buying a 2 cartridge packet of Hewlett Packard Ink. Each cartridge was in a white cardboard box. That cardboard box was surrrounded by a printed box (as if it was intended for individual sale), and the 2 printed boxes were held in another cardboard holder, all surround by that clear plastic packaging that is impossible to open, and could NEVER be reused.

Look - the hurricane interrupted the supply of oil. Oil companies still need to meet the demands of consumers, so they pay higher prices for less oil. THey pass those prices onto the consumer. To blame the oil companies for this is simply stupid. When half of the cars on the road are gas guzzling SUV's, we have noone to blame but ourselves. If we were paying $6 gallon like the Europeans do, we'd be driving much smarter cars.
2005-08-31 7:17 PM
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Jimmy Carter left Washington 25 years ago. Was this ban he signed deemed sacrosanct and thus untouchable for 1000 years or has his successors just not gave a rats ass about this issue.
I've heard that gasoline is selling for unbelieveably low prices in places like Venezuela and IRAQ!!!!! Can anyone verify these rumors about these folks paying cents per gallon.
If we're a nation at war and everyone needs to make sacrifices does that include the major oil companies or are they exempt as they were from all Superfund requirements.
Bottom line... why are they charging $3.00 a gallon? Because they can!!
OK now I feel better. LOL, I have a stress test scheduled for tomorrow morning.
btw Max there's probably not a lot of us on this site who were of voting age when Carter was Prez. Must be careful to only offer sage advice.(tic)

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2005-08-31 7:49 PM
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By the time Reagan got into office and reversed the law it wasn't economical to refine the waste.
2005-08-31 7:53 PM
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max - 2005-08-31 6:59 PM


You want prices to go down? Stop using so much. Think globally, act locally. Everything uses oil, either directly or in manufacture or transportation.

My biggest beef is "over packaging" of products. Ever go to a store, buy 1 item and then have the clerk put the item into a plastic bag? What for? Can't you carry it in your hand? The bag costs oil to manufacture, then it's probably going to wind up in a landfill. Why does a compact disc have to come in this bizarre plastic case? What's the matter with a simple cardboard sleeve? At least the cardboard came from a tree which is renewable. I buy a package of English muffins. They come in a cardboard tray, inserted into a plastic bag. Why can't they eliminate the cardboard? Mulitplied by millions of packages all over the country.

OK, my blood pressure is going up.....Rant off...



This is a huge problem in Japan as well. It seems that the Japanese are huge fans of packages within packages. For example- If I go to the supermarket to get three packs of tofu (already in a plastic container), the clerk will put each pack in to it own seperate plastic bag, then put it into the large plastic bag to take home. I have gotten some strange looks when I ask them not to put them in bags! What?! you don`t want to seperate your tofu from the other tofu? What if tofu juice gets on your tofu?
2005-08-31 8:03 PM
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Some things to think about. I have no answers though.

Retail fuel prices are currently increasing at a rate unheard of in U.S. history. Now it is true that as a nation we are huge consumers of this fuel, but as a nation we are also huge extracters, transporters and refiners of it. If you look at the price of fuel in producing/refining vs. non-producing/refining nations what do you see? That's quite a difference. Now limit this to include only politically stable nations. Hmmm.

How much did fuel prices increase last quarter? Did demand increase by that much?  Did the supply decrease by that much? Did the cost of refining it and delivering it increase that much? Did our ability to deliver decrease?  Supply and demand were relatively stable and were in line with what had been predicted months earlier.

So why did prices increase so much? I know that oil company profits were at record highs. Where did the profits go? Who got all that additional money that was paid by consumers? Did that translate to record dividends? Record investment in R&D and exploration? Record executive compensation? Record tax breaks and giveaways in the latest energy bill?

I would think that any market with spiralling prices but stable supply and demand would have something seriously wrong with it.

And I know supply took a big hit this week, but I'm talking about the past 6 months.

2005-08-31 8:55 PM
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gullahcracker - 2005-08-31 8:17 PM

btw Max there's probably not a lot of us on this site who were of voting age when Carter was Prez. Must be careful to only offer sage advice.(tic)


LOL Russ...I sheepishly admit that I voted for Jimmy Carter!

2005-08-31 9:00 PM
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max - 2005-08-31 8:55 PM

gullahcracker - 2005-08-31 8:17 PM

btw Max there's probably not a lot of us on this site who were of voting age when Carter was Prez. Must be careful to only offer sage advice.(tic)


LOL Russ...I sheepishly admit that I voted for Jimmy Carter!
I feel your pain brother. LMAO



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