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2006-08-02 9:07 PM

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Subject: opinion: men vs. women

Watching the Lifetime Fitness triathlon this past weekend, I started to wonder about their men vs. women format. 

If you dont know how they do it, the elite women start the swim- after a certain amount of time, the men take to the water.  The time the men have to wait is called the "Equilizer".  This time changes every year based on past tris, the compeditors, and other factors decided on by a comittee.  The Equilizer time this year was, i believe 9:52 or something.

The goal of this 'equilization' is to have a photo finish between the top woman and top man. Last year a man won.  The year before it was a woman.  This year Hunter Kemper won.  (Cool thing is that last year's winner's wife just had a baby, this year Hunter's wife is prego).  The big draw of this race is the new car, big glass trophy I guess they can bathe their baby in, and a $200,000 paycheck.

So I'll get to my point- Just wanted to know people's opinion on this format.  I think its interesting-                     have a danish and talk amongst yourselves 



2006-08-02 9:20 PM
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I think it's a good idea. If I remember correctly, the first three years they used this format, women won. Then these last two years, the men took it. It appears that the "equalizer" is doing it's job.

p.s. Emma's MINE Jorge!!!! Tongue out

2006-08-02 9:20 PM
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Eh. I don't really care for it. Its just a big word for 'headstart' and didn't think it was that great.

I see the point, but in my mind the guys always kick the womens' butts so it just doesn't matter. It wasn't a photo finish was it? I think having the top women compete against a top age grouper, starting at the same time, would be much more interesting. Thats an equal race.

2006-08-03 7:45 AM
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I liked the race, and liked even more that it was on broadcast, but I found the equalizer format a little arbitrary and silly, to be honest. I don't see any point in racing men against women if it needs to be handicapped. Elite men are faster than elite women. We know this. We accept it. The whole "headstart" thing was just odd.

There could be other interesting ways to do this - maybe a relay of one man and two women (or vice versa). Or a team format with mixed-gender pairs.
2006-08-03 7:52 AM
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Comet - 2006-08-02 9:20 PM

Eh. I don't really care for it. Its just a big word for 'headstart' and didn't think it was that great.

I see the point, but in my mind the guys always kick the womens' butts so it just doesn't matter. It wasn't a photo finish was it? I think having the top women compete against a top age grouper, starting at the same time, would be much more interesting. Thats an equal race.

In that case the women would never had a chance to get the big $$$ price so what's the incentive for them?
2006-08-03 7:57 AM
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summer_2005 - 2006-08-03 7:45 AM I liked the race, and liked even more that it was on broadcast, but I found the equalizer format a little arbitrary and silly, to be honest. I don't see any point in racing men against women if it needs to be handicapped. Elite men are faster than elite women. We know this. We accept it. The whole "headstart" thing was just odd. There could be other interesting ways to do this - maybe a relay of one man and two women (or vice versa). Or a team format with mixed-gender pairs.
The Pro men know it as well as the Pro women. The equalizer is not really a handicap to prove that the girls can beat the guys. It is just a way to level the ground so both can have the relative same chance to WIN the big purse of $$$ in that specific race. By doing so that race almost always guarantees to attract the BEST short (and some long course) athletes and deliver a good event for spectators (if you understand the idea behind it)


2006-08-03 8:16 AM
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I guess that does make sense - it allows them to offer one very large top prize, which increases the interest and the quality of the field.
2006-08-03 10:02 AM
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I like it, but the women are still at a disadvantage because it's always easier to chase.
2006-08-03 10:04 AM
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run4yrlif - 2006-08-03 10:02 AM I like it, but the women are still at a disadvantage because it's always easier to chase.
Easy? how come?
2006-08-03 10:05 AM
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Its just another way to try to hold someone back so that it is 'even' or 'fair'.  I get beat by women in every race, and knowing that men are generally stonger etc, I have to deal with that.

In our society we dont like losers.  In kids soccer they dont keep score, the tax code has earners pay more tax and at a higher rate the more you make (holds you back), at work tasks are given out not on an even basis but difficult ones to those that can handle it...

We do this in our own lives as well.  Think about a moving party; men carry the heavy loads, women tend to unpack.  I even do it with my kids.  I give the oldest the most responsibility and hardest tasks.

2006-08-03 10:08 AM
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I'll just add that I keep missing this tri, lately, but watched the first one or 2.  I can't quote the years, but in those cases, the same female won both times, with no men even on the radar screen.  It sounds like they've been closer recently.  That's sorta restored my faith in the concept. 

I wouldn't want the entire sport to do something like this on a regular basis.  But as a unique way to offer one top prize and get top athletes on board, I think it's fine.



2006-08-03 10:09 AM
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bikingbruise - 2006-08-03 10:05 AM

Its just another way to try to hold someone back so that it is 'even' or 'fair'.  I get beat by women in every race, and knowing that men are generally stonger etc, I have to deal with that.

in this specific race I don't think that's the case at ALL...

2006-08-03 10:15 AM
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I'm asking this because I honestly don't know.  If they took the top prize and split it 50/50 and offered half to each the top male and top female finisher would the race attract less pro athletes?  I know it is MORE attractive as one solid prize, but if they did this would it attract fewer PRO triathletes?

Discuss.

 

2006-08-03 10:33 AM
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summer_2005 - 2006-08-03 7:45 AM I liked the race, and liked even more that it was on broadcast, but I found the equalizer format a little arbitrary and silly, to be honest. I don't see any point in racing men against women if it needs to be handicapped. Elite men are faster than elite women. We know this. We accept it. The whole "headstart" thing was just odd. There could be other interesting ways to do this - maybe a relay of one man and two women (or vice versa). Or a team format with mixed-gender pairs.

I totally dig the relay idea.  Teams of 2, one man and one woman- they decide who goes first.  Any RD's out there?

2006-08-03 10:36 AM
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hangloose - 2006-08-03 10:15 AM

I'm asking this because I honestly don't know.  If they took the top prize and split it 50/50 and offered half to each the top male and top female finisher would the race attract less pro athletes?  I know it is MORE attractive as one solid prize, but if they did this would it attract fewer PRO triathletes?

Discuss.

 

The top person got the 200,000$, the top other sex person got $80,000.  The top woman was beat by about 7 men or so. 

2006-08-03 11:50 AM
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TriVeggies - 2006-08-03 10:36 AM
hangloose - 2006-08-03 10:15 AM

I'm asking this because I honestly don't know.  If they took the top prize and split it 50/50 and offered half to each the top male and top female finisher would the race attract less pro athletes?  I know it is MORE attractive as one solid prize, but if they did this would it attract fewer PRO triathletes?

Discuss.

 

The top person got the 200,000$, the top other sex person got $80,000.  The top woman was beat by about 7 men or so. 

Alright, so a total of 280K to the top two finishers in each sex?  So what if they split it 140K each and did it in a traditional format?  Would less pros sign up because it is ONLY 140K? 

 



2006-08-03 11:53 AM
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amiine - 2006-08-03 11:04 AM
run4yrlif - 2006-08-03 10:02 AM I like it, but the women are still at a disadvantage because it's always easier to chase.
Easy? how come?

Psychologically, it's easier to stalk than to be stalked.

2006-08-03 1:45 PM
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run4yrlif - 2006-08-03 11:53 AM

amiine - 2006-08-03 11:04 AM
run4yrlif - 2006-08-03 10:02 AM I like it, but the women are still at a disadvantage because it's always easier to chase.
Easy? how come?

Psychologically, it's easier to stalk than to be stalked.

Only if you are faster. 

 

 

2006-08-03 2:00 PM
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hangloose - 2006-08-03 1:45 PM
run4yrlif - 2006-08-03 11:53 AM

amiine - 2006-08-03 11:04 AM
run4yrlif - 2006-08-03 10:02 AM I like it, but the women are still at a disadvantage because it's always easier to chase.
Easy? how come?

Psychologically, it's easier to stalk than to be stalked.

Only if you are faster.

 

 

Or, if you are a giver rather than a taker. 

2006-08-03 2:45 PM
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hangloose - 2006-08-03 1:45 PM
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amiine - 2006-08-03 11:04 AM
run4yrlif - 2006-08-03 10:02 AM I like it, but the women are still at a disadvantage because it's always easier to chase.
Easy? how come?

Psychologically, it's easier to stalk than to be stalked.

Only if you are faster.

Or, if you are a giver rather than a taker.



If you gave faster, would this enhance the experience of the stalking?
2006-08-03 2:53 PM
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hangloose - 2006-08-03 2:45 PM
run4yrlif - 2006-08-03 11:53 AM

amiine - 2006-08-03 11:04 AM
run4yrlif - 2006-08-03 10:02 AM I like it, but the women are still at a disadvantage because it's always easier to chase.
Easy? how come?

Psychologically, it's easier to stalk than to be stalked.

Only if you are faster.

 

Well, since the pro men are *usually* faster than the pro women...



2006-08-03 3:33 PM
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run4yrlif - 2006-08-03 2:53 PM
hangloose - 2006-08-03 2:45 PM
run4yrlif - 2006-08-03 11:53 AM

amiine - 2006-08-03 11:04 AM
run4yrlif - 2006-08-03 10:02 AM I like it, but the women are still at a disadvantage because it's always easier to chase.
Easy? how come?

Psychologically, it's easier to stalk than to be stalked.

Only if you are faster.

 

Well, since the pro men are *usually* faster than the pro women...

Right.  Point being that it doesn't suddenly become easier for the lead woman if she gets passed by the lead man and becomes the stalker.  The reason he passed her wasn't because he had an advantage as the stalker, it's because he was faster.  If he wasn't, then he's not going to catch her, stalker or not.

 

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