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2008-08-09 11:11 AM

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Subject: Should i consider aero bars for my road bike?

Here's my story.....

bought my first road bike in May, a Specialized Allez.   i had it professionally fitted and added clipless pedals and i love it.   i have my first Tri (a Sprint) coming up next Sunday.   i also have a Oly scheduled for the end of September.

i don't want to sound like i'm jumping the gun, but i'm eager to get more out of the bike.   i realize putting aero bars on a road bike and adjusting it to more of a Tri position is not the same as a Tri bike, but i'm wondering how much it would benefit me? 

right now i'm comfortable with the setup i have and feel i'm making decent progress after only riding for a couple months.  however, the Oly in September is what i'm looking ahead to and wonder if i get it adjusted to more of a Tri position would it make that much of a difference?   should i stick with what i have now and work on progressing with the fit i have or should i even be considering aero bars?

 



2008-08-09 11:18 AM
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If you can get jammers on the bike and not be stretched out you'll benefit probably in the .5mph to 1mph area by simply lowering your profile.

However, if your fit and bike size will not allow the jammers/shorties and you're all stretched out you may be doing yourself a disfavor.

You may neet to get a forward setpost and slide the seat all the way forward, depends on your current bike and fit.



2008-08-09 11:27 AM
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Subject: RE: Should i consider aero bars for my road bike?
There is usually a 1-2 mph advantage when riding in aerobars, depending on how long you remain on the bars and how well you still fit when using them. I had to adjust my fit by moving the seat forward and up, but it still doesn't fit the same as my tri bike. However, I can ride the road bike much faster by staying on the bars - almost as fast as the tri bike. Keep in mind it takes a fair amount of riding to get comfortable while using aerobars so your use of them for a race next month may not provide as much benefit as you're hoping for.
2008-08-09 1:17 PM
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Subject: RE: Should i consider aero bars for my road bike?
I would DEFINITELY consider adding them. I added mine this spring and I've found that I can increase my pace by 1-2 mph with the same effort. I had to tweak my fit a bit to make it comfortable, but it has been well worth the investment. I'm still looking to buy a tri-bike in the future, but being able to go aero has made that purchase less urgent.
2008-08-09 2:37 PM
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Subject: RE: Should i consider aero bars for my road bike?
Add 'em after your Sprint, so you have time to get used to them before the longer Tri.  They do take a little while to get used to, at least, they did for me, but I like having them a lot.
2008-08-09 3:52 PM
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I'd add 'em. I bought some last year and finally was able to put them on this week [cyclocross levers were in the way before] and I love them! Yesterday I was trying to compare being in the drops vs. being in on the aero bars and it was a 19.6mph to 21.1mph difference on a flat section. I didn't change anything in my bike fit except adding the bars so my overall position doesn't get lower, however having my arms tucked in rather than out on the drops cuts down on my overall frontal area, allowing me to cut through the air a little easier.


2008-08-09 4:30 PM
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Subject: RE: Should i consider aero bars for my road bike?
I added some to my road bike a few months ago and immediately noticed a difference of about 1mph on my rides. Either I got fit in a weekend or the aerobars made a difference. Also, there is something about being aero that really motivates me to push harder - dunno what it is but I feel like I can ride harder when I tuck in and push. I didn't make any adjustments to my bike and worry a little about whether I have the optimal fit, but despite all that my times improved. Good luck!
2008-08-09 4:46 PM
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I'll take the other point of view and say you don't need the aero bars.  I don't think you have time to get the bars and get used to riding in them before the race.  It took me almost a year before I felt totally comfortable and could hold the proper aero position for 24 miles.  Here's an excerpt of an interview with Brett Sutton, Chrissie Wellington's coach and coach of a lot of other top ranked triathletes:

"But when it comes to gear. Chrissie is riding the gear I believe she rides fastest on. I think she'd be closer on a P2. I've told (Cervelo's) Gerard Vroomen she's on the right bike when they wanted to change her out. I've sent the aerobars back when everybody's sending me aerobars to make her go faster. The only place you use aerobars is Hawaii. Hawaii suit someone who's got no great bike skill. Chrissie doesn't get downhills really well, and we're re-aligned her with drop bars for Germany so she can go down a hill, around a corner, and do it with confidence. But in Hawaii, she'll be on time trial bars.

I don't care what they want to tell me about what happens in a wind tunnel. I think there are maybe three girls that are faster with aerobars, full stop, in the pro ranks. And the rest are wasting three or four seconds every turn, every gear change. "

Here's a link to the whole interview: http://www.slowtwitch.com/Interview/Brett_Sutton_Interview_Part_2_459.html

I agree with him.  I don't think aerobars give most people the boost they think they do.  If you can't hold the aero position, they won't do much good.  However, the do look cool.

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2008-08-09 5:45 PM
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Subject: RE: Should i consider aero bars for my road bike?
2 years ago, I added clip-on aerobars to my Specialized Allez just before a race. I got two rides in with them, felt very comfortable, and have never looked back. Some people do have adjustment issues, but some do not. You'll likely go faster right away, and you'll begin getting used to them before the Oly. Do it. Get the fit right with your bike. If you have the LBS where you buy them also install them, you may be able to get them to make a few adjustments for you. Go for it. You won't regret it.
2008-08-09 7:33 PM
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Subject: RE: Should i consider aero bars for my road bike?

here is my other question....more to do with an aero position and not the aero bars.

will getting me in a more aero position help me with my runs?   i realize the geometry isn't the same for aero position for a road as it is with a tri bike.   but does adjusting a road bike to a more aero position help the legs for running as it does a tri bike?

2008-08-09 7:36 PM
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Subject: RE: Should i consider aero bars for my road bike?
I'm just throwing this out there but if your logs are correct shouldn't you be more concerned with putting in miles and building a good solid base?  I instantly wanted to get aero bars but was politly discouraged from getting them until I had a good solid base and really learned good handling skills.  Also I would wait until after your sprint before making any changes.  That's just me.


2008-08-09 7:51 PM
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well my logs aren't really up to date and real accurate.    but ya i'm a beginner, should that really be a reason to not change?

what if i had bought a tri bike from the start and not a road bike?

2008-08-09 8:13 PM
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Subject: RE: Should i consider aero bars for my road bike?

I'm a beginner too but just added aero bars to my older model road bike.

Right or wrong, one of the main reasons I added them was for comfort. My palms would get numb on longer rides (as I liked to ride in the 'low bar position') and the aero bars helped very much. I'm glad I did.

I'd also wait until after your Sprint to make a change.  

2008-08-09 8:19 PM
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I put aero bars on my road bike shortly after getting the bike.  I'm still getting used to them, but I definitely get an overall benefit from them, and expect more as I'm able to stay in the aero position for longer and longer.

One surprising benefit to me was that except for the steepest hills, I climb faster in that position.

Yeah, you'll get more out of just putting more miles in, but why can't you do both?  I don't see any reason why.  On my longer rides, I can't stay aero the whole time, but I'm able to stay aero more and more as I work on it.  And I'm still getting time in the saddle...

2008-08-09 8:23 PM
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xmann1102 - 2008-08-09 8:51 PM

well my logs aren't really up to date and real accurate.    but ya i'm a beginner, should that really be a reason to not change?

what if i had bought a tri bike from the start and not a road bike?

I think adding aero bars 1 week before your first race is a mistake.  After the race if you feel compelled to get aero bars why not but I would focus more on building a good base and figuring out what type of riding you intend on doing the most.  If you already know that you will not do much group riding then go for it.  I found that I enjoy group riding more than I ever thought I would so aero bars don't give me much in that area.  That's not to say that you couldn't do group rides with aero bars on.

 

2008-08-09 8:26 PM
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Subject: RE: Should i consider aero bars for my road bike?
ya, i'm definitely waiting till after the race next weekend....wouldn't be that foolish. 


2008-08-09 11:03 PM
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Honestly I don't think your bike "base" has much to do, if at all, with getting aero bars or not. It changes the handling a little, but honestly for me there wasn't much of a learning curve. Now I say that was the case for me because I know for a fact that my wife would have a very hard time getting comfortable in them. She's only recently begun staying off the brakes on this long downhill near our house because she's become more comfortable with her bike handling by doing more riding. It doesn't have anything to do with her bike fitness though.
2008-08-10 4:25 AM
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i'm gonna call my LBS and talk with the fit pro who did my fitting.   he's a triathlete himself and i trust his decision.   see what he thinks and what we can do.   if i do anything, it'll be after my sprint next Sunday.
2008-08-10 5:09 AM
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Bottom line is that putting the bars should do no harm as long  as it is not the night before a race so if you have the $ why not put them on.  Can't quanitify a gain in speed and they probably won't help your run since you aren't changing geometry but your bike will be faster.

2008-08-10 5:26 AM
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Subject: RE: Should i consider aero bars for my road bike?
xmann1102 - 2008-08-09 9:33 PM

will getting me in a more aero position help me with my runs?   i realize the geometry isn't the same for aero position for a road as it is with a tri bike.   but does adjusting a road bike to a more aero position help the legs for running as it does a tri bike?

As far as the aerobars; if you have the money and take the time to ensure they are setup well on your road bike, there is no reason not to get them.  I had aerobars on my road bike from the time I decided to get into the sport.

As to running better, the research that says you run better off a tri-bike is spurious at best.  IMO the reason people think they run better off a tri-bike is because they are able put forth less effort to go the same speed (or faster) than they do on a road bike.  As a result, the run feels easier as they have paced the bike easier.

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2008-08-10 1:55 PM
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Bripod - 2008-08-10 12:03 AM Honestly I don't think your bike "base" has much to do, if at all, with getting aero bars or not. It changes the handling a little, but honestly for me there wasn't much of a learning curve. Now I say that was the case for me because I know for a fact that my wife would have a very hard time getting comfortable in them. She's only recently begun staying off the brakes on this long downhill near our house because she's become more comfortable with her bike handling by doing more riding. It doesn't have anything to do with her bike fitness though.

I think your wife's experience is why the base matters.  Being comfortable on the bike takes longer for some people.  I lent my old road bike to a coworker and took her on a short and slow 10-11 mile ride the other day.  She pretty much never took her hand off the drops to ride the hoods, and I don't think she shifted at all. She also felt nervous on the mild downhills that tried to take her mph into the 20's.  My road bikes both have aerobars, and I didn't take them off for her, but I wouldn't have put them on for her if they were not there already until she is more comfortable on the bike.  And I think that will come more with riding more, aka building a base.



2008-08-10 4:08 PM
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gearboy - 2008-08-10 1:55 PM

I think your wife's experience is why the base matters. Being comfortable on the bike takes longer for some people. I lent my old road bike to a coworker and took her on a short and slow 10-11 mile ride the other day. She pretty much never took her hand off the drops to ride the hoods, and I don't think she shifted at all. She also felt nervous on the mild downhills that tried to take her mph into the 20's. My road bikes both have aerobars, and I didn't take them off for her, but I wouldn't have put them on for her if they were not there already until she is more comfortable on the bike. And I think that will come more with riding more, aka building a base.


Then I think it's important that we can agree on our terminology here. A "base" is a reference to a fitness or aerobic base; a physiological condition. The ability to carry a certain velocity or cover a certain distance. Experience and comfort on the bike is more of a mental condition or attitude. If your co-worker was averaging 19mph but still showed the same symptoms of discomfort [never changing hand positions, shifting, etc] would you still think she needed more base? That's what I was getting at. And again, the learning/comfort curve is different for everyone which certainly applies to more than just bicycles.
2008-08-10 4:28 PM
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Subject: RE: Should i consider aero bars for my road bike?
Let me dredge up a previous post of mine concerning my 'first time', using aero bars, that is...

http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp...
2008-08-10 7:29 PM
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Bripod - 2008-08-10 5:08 PM

Then I think it's important that we can agree on our terminology here. A "base" is a reference to a fitness or aerobic base; a physiological condition. The ability to carry a certain velocity or cover a certain distance. Experience and comfort on the bike is more of a mental condition or attitude. If your co-worker was averaging 19mph but still showed the same symptoms of discomfort [never changing hand positions, shifting, etc] would you still think she needed more base? That's what I was getting at. And again, the learning/comfort curve is different for everyone which certainly applies to more than just bicycles.

Fair enough.  Although I think that the more one rides (which will of course build the fitness/aerobic base), the more comfortable one will get with their bike handing overall.  And you are right - the issue of a learning curve is absolutely going to apply to everything - I think of getting the rhythym of distance swimming, or more universally, driving a car and getting the comfort/skills set down. So I suppose it's possible to have the fitness/endurance down, but still get spooked by downhills, or aerobars, or whatever.

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