Proper way to signal "get the F out of the way"?
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() At my last Dash N Splash, the swim was in a pool and it was a surpintine (sp?) swim where you had to go under the lane dividers and continue swimming. When I got in the pool, a guy in front of me was a slower swimmer. I caught him at the wall and made my turn, which he got a little lead, but i would always catch him. I tapped him on the foot several times, but he would not get over and out of the way. I know this is a race, and we are all trying our best, but is there some unwritten sportmanship law that says let the faster guy go and get out of the way?? |
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Elite![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Proper etiquette calls for an underwater wedgie. Or else you could do what Aaron said. Either way....
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Next time you grab his ankle and pull him under the water and swim OVER him. That's what the boys did to me on the swim team. ![]() Yeah, most people are CLUELESS to what tapping on their foot means. They don't have a clue. Either you stay behind them or you take the risk and pass them. |
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Extreme Veteran![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() swimming is the hardest to pass without really pushing it ....but id say go right up against the ropes and wedge...not wedgie....him outta the way. He will get the idea once your side by side. |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I have never done a tri with a pool swim and, until this thread, wouldn't know that someone tapping on my foot meant they wanted to pass me (good thing I read this so if I do a pool swim tri I won't be "that person.) Tris with pool swims probably have a lot of first timers so JeepFleeb's suggestion, to let people around you know what the foot tapping means, is great and will also help newer athletes learn the sport's etiquette. |
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Pro![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() One thing to add is this guy had a team racing jersey on, so I feel like he should have known I was wanting to pass. So I know (not really, but I know) he was being stubborn and would not move no matter what.
Also a pool swim Dash N Splash was diffucult, especially running first, then jumping in the pool. |
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Expert![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() First off, I didn't know there was such a thing as a Splash N Dash where you actually run and dive into the pool ... that would be so much fun!! Second, my very first tri (a sprint tri a few weeks ago) was only 300m and in a pool. Anyone who bothered to attend any of the pre-race meetings would have known what being tapped on the feet meant - it was repeated several times. At the Saturday packet pickup and pre-race meeting, at another pre-race meeting put on my one of the major sponsors (who also put on a little Tri Transition 101 type of clinic), it was repeated again at the pre-race meeting that Sunday morning right before the race, and if I'm not mistaken the race volunteers that were lining up everyone at the pool start were reminding people of the rules - to include the foot-tapping business. Apparently I either haven't learned to lie yet about my 100m swim times, or else I had an extremely good day, or everyone else in front of me was extremely slow - cause I ended up passing 4 or 5 people. The first person I tapped, they waited at the wall, no problem. The second person would not - I tapped him in 2 different straight-ways ... so I ended up passing right down the middle of the lane. In order to be as courteous and thoughtful as possible to those behind me (who happened to be coming up the lefthand side of the lane as I and the slow guy in front of me were going down the righthand side )... I wedged over as close as possible to the slow guy and even rolled over onto my side and somehow managed to keep stroking a modified freestyle while on my side .. .until I passed him. The next person would not wait at the wall either and actually practically stopped ... looked like the were basically doing a doggie paddle but not moving their legs ... their feet were dragging the bottom of the pool ... and there was a log-jam .. both her and the person in front were back to back and neither seemed in any hurry to move along or to wait at the next wall. Solution, too much traffic coming down the other side of the lane, so I stopped, stood up, dived like crazy and swam UNDERNEATH both of these people ... I surfaced just barely ahead of this 2nd person ... was still kinda in the middle of the lane about 1/2 a body length ahead ... so I did the old rollover to the side manuever that I had just learned and perfected ... kicked and pulled like crazy and went on past .... ...it was pretty smooth sailing from there on out ... and I finished my 300m in 7:19 ... probably would have been under 7:00 mintues without the troubles .... ...but in all reality ... if you look at the 10, 15, or even 20-25 seconds earned in time ... was it really worth it ??? Did the extra energy slow me down by 20 seconds on the bike or run ... or cause me an extra 20 seconds in transition to catch my breath and be steady enough to slip on my socks and shoes ??/ I dunno ... I told myself I would relax and take it easy on the swim and not sweat it if I needed to pass ... but something happened to me that morning and I was unable to control it ... that old competitive spirit reared it's ugly head and I was unable to tame it ... ... as soon as the Starter yelled "Go!" and I took off ... all I could feel were my arms pulling as hard as they would go ... and all I could see was the next person in front of me that I needed to get around ....!!!
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Edited by klowman 2008-10-13 3:30 PM |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() FUNNY STORE Klowman! That is the very reason why I try to avoid pool swim tri's at all costs. That kind of stuff makes me very aggressive in the pool! Good job on making it out alive man! |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Just pass them on a striaght away.. No big deal. Just check for people coming the other way. ![]() |
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Pro![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() KSH - 2008-10-13 2:14 PM Next time you grab his ankle and pull him under the water and swim OVER him. That's what the boys did to me on the swim team. ![]() Are you sure they were trying to swim over you? How long were they "swimming" over you? I'm just saying, there shouldn't be any pepperoni pizza in a swim... |
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Extreme Veteran![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I would think that tapping on the feet only applies to swim workouts but not actual races. Like in an open water race, the swimmer getting passed doesn't have to yield to the faster swimmer but in the pool the pass should be made if there is safe passing room. This is the weird thing about race rules and etiquette. On the bike there is no drafting and the person getting passed has to fall back after the pass is made. But in the swim and run drafting is perfectly legal and encouraged. If you are getting passed, you can fight to keep your position. It seems like the same rules should apply for all three. Edited by joker70 2008-10-13 4:52 PM |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() gearboy - 2008-10-13 4:34 PM KSH - 2008-10-13 2:14 PM Next time you grab his ankle and pull him under the water and swim OVER him. That's what the boys did to me on the swim team. ![]() Are you sure they were trying to swim over you? How long were they "swimming" over you? I'm just saying, there shouldn't be any pepperoni pizza in a swim... Hey! Don't go messing up my innocent stories with talk of pizza. Plus, I'm vegetarian. I would never eat pepperoni! |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() My first tri was open water so no probs there. My second tri was pool. There was no pre-race meeting that explained anything about tapping the foot and letting the other person pass. I had no idea until after the fact. |
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Expert![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I'm going to revive this dead thread since my question revolves around this in a way. I just did an OWS and remember someone grabbing my ankle, a noticeable difference between a tap from a stroke and a quick easy squeeze. I knew that it means they want to pass, but this was an OWS, not in a pool so I was a little confused. I assumed it meant the same thing though, but what did they expect me to do? I'm trying to swim the straightest path I can just like they are and we were still 200+ meters from the turn around buoy. Did they expect me to change my path slightly to allow them to continue to swim straight? I don't remember being sandwiched between other swimmers at the time (although perhaps I was for a moment?). Was this a "I want to pass" or was it a "just letting you know I'm here"? Is there etiquette I missed on this one as a n00b? If it was a pool I'd simply let them by at the wall, but I didn't think I'd be expected to stop during a 750m OWS or somehow get out of the way. |
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Science Nerd![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() joker70 - 2008-10-13 5:45 PM I would think that tapping on the feet only applies to swim workouts but not actual races. Like in an open water race, the swimmer getting passed doesn't have to yield to the faster swimmer but in the pool the pass should be made if there is safe passing room. This is the weird thing about race rules and etiquette. On the bike there is no drafting and the person getting passed has to fall back after the pass is made. But in the swim and run drafting is perfectly legal and encouraged. If you are getting passed, you can fight to keep your position. It seems like the same rules should apply for all three. Nope. In the pre-race briefings for most pool swims, they will stress this. If you get tapped on the foot, pause at the wall and let the other person pass you. It's a lot harder to pass in the pool with traffic going in both directions in a single lane. I've seen head-on collisions in the pool caused by this. Not a pretty sight. |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() ...but in all reality ... if you look at the 10, 15, or even 20-25 seconds earned in time ... was it really worth it ??? Did the extra energy slow me down by 20 seconds on the bike or run ... or cause me an extra 20 seconds in transition to catch my breath and be steady enough to slip on my socks and shoes ??/ I lost 3rd place in my tri last weekend by 4 SECONDS! ![]() So sometimes it matters. Edited by KSH 2009-07-30 5:22 PM |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() zionvier - 2009-07-30 4:06 PM I'm going to revive this dead thread since my question revolves around this in a way. I just did an OWS and remember someone grabbing my ankle, a noticeable difference between a tap from a stroke and a quick easy squeeze. I knew that it means they want to pass, but this was an OWS, not in a pool so I was a little confused. I assumed it meant the same thing though, but what did they expect me to do? I'm trying to swim the straightest path I can just like they are and we were still 200+ meters from the turn around buoy. Did they expect me to change my path slightly to allow them to continue to swim straight? I don't remember being sandwiched between other swimmers at the time (although perhaps I was for a moment?). Was this a "I want to pass" or was it a "just letting you know I'm here"? Is there etiquette I missed on this one as a n00b? If it was a pool I'd simply let them by at the wall, but I didn't think I'd be expected to stop during a 750m OWS or somehow get out of the way. To my mind, grabbing someone's ankle during a race is just a dirty, aggressive move if it's intentional. There's no call for it. |
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Veteran![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I would just keep swimming and hold my line. Let them worry about how to get around you. Not making excuses for them but, occasionally a faster swimmer in a later wave or start time will come up pretty fast on a slower swimmer and end up on their feet before they know it. It gets even more difficult when the swimmer in front has trouble holding thier line very well. You try to pass and next thing you know you have feet or arms in your face. About all you can do is grab or push them away. It's not malicious, you're just trying to keep your teeth in you mouth |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() My 1st tri was 400M serpentine pool swim (50M olympic pool) & it was MUCH worse than getting around 1 swimmer at a time. I seeded myself by honest swim time & I was held up a lot. By 150M there were some people hanging on side of pool obstructing the turn of other swimmers. This type of obstruction was specifically & repeatedly dealt with at pre-race briefing, although toe tapping was never mentioned. It would have been futile anyway. Ave was 125+ swimmers in pool at once. Many times we had 4-5 swimmers trying to pass in lanes at same time. As I was passing one big guy he suddenly decided to start sidestroking & kicked me square in the chest. After that mess my 1st OWS was a piece of cake!!!! |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() zionvier - 2009-07-30 4:06 PM I'm going to revive this dead thread since my question revolves around this in a way. I just did an OWS and remember someone grabbing my ankle, a noticeable difference between a tap from a stroke and a quick easy squeeze. I knew that it means they want to pass, but this was an OWS, not in a pool so I was a little confused. I assumed it meant the same thing though, but what did they expect me to do? I'm trying to swim the straightest path I can just like they are and we were still 200+ meters from the turn around buoy. Did they expect me to change my path slightly to allow them to continue to swim straight? I don't remember being sandwiched between other swimmers at the time (although perhaps I was for a moment?). Was this a "I want to pass" or was it a "just letting you know I'm here"? Is there etiquette I missed on this one as a n00b? If it was a pool I'd simply let them by at the wall, but I didn't think I'd be expected to stop during a 750m OWS or somehow get out of the way. Is it possible that they came up behind you, almost caught a foot in the face, and temporarily grabbed in self-defense? Obviously I don't know -- it just seems a bit hard to figure out why someone would grab (unless he or she was intending to grab and pull, but it doesn't sound like that's what happened here. Purposeful grabbing and yanking -- I agree that's not cool.) |
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Expert![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() If you're in a USAT AG race and feel the urge to tell someone to "get the F out of the way," I follow these steps: Edited by DrPete 2009-07-31 10:10 AM |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() DrPete - 2009-07-31 11:10 AM If you're in a USAT AG race and feel the urge to tell someone to "get the F out of the way," I follow these steps: Wise words indeed. |
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Expert![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Oldteen - 2009-07-31 12:39 PM DrPete - 2009-07-31 11:10 AM If you're in a USAT AG race and feel the urge to tell someone to "get the F out of the way," I follow these steps: Wise words indeed. They come from a couple seasons of road bike racing in a region where people are willing to risk their safety and the safety of others in the name of winning a T-shirt and a $10 LBS gift certificate. Hell, I had a $2700 frameset destroyed in a race where the big prize was 10 car wash tokens because the guy in front of me tried to pass someone while taking a turn in a 50-rider pack at 25mph. Edited by DrPete 2009-07-31 11:44 AM |