Why are Elite's slower than age groups in the swim section

I see what you are saying.......for whatever reason, it looks like the AG Olympic distance race swim was cut to 750M.... nobody swam a 1500M in 9:XX.......NOBODY.

AG swim was cut to 750m due to temperature of water 55F

Stick around and you will.......lots of the younger triathletes are coming out of large and well coached swim programs....not something that happened just a few years ago.  A 17:XX swim is not that difficult for these kids.  A sub 30:00 10K off the bike is another story.

Sure.....but don't think the kids won't get faster....they will.

Right now you can say 1:10 per 100 in open water is what it takes to make the first pack and actually be in the race.  Not that hard for kids who have been swimming since they were in kindergarten.  In a few years that will be 1:05....doesn't seem like much, but that minute in an Olympic distance swim will cause you to be out of the race when you miss the first pack in a draft legal race.

It's not about crushing everyone else.....it's about making the first bike pack.  I don't know what the Brownlee's CAN swim, only what they DO swim.  I don't see any 16:XX swims in those results.....but that's coming.  If you get a half dozen of them you'll see the race change a bit.

Look, even Brownlee and Gomez can't win if they don't get the first pack.  I'm not saying they can't swim a 16:XX......maybe you are right and they can..... time will tell.  I know 16:XX is coming.

Challenge...  "wait for it".....  ACCEPTED!!

Sorry for the lame HIMYM reference.  Carry on.

Sure it has....but it hasn't been common for people who can run 30:00 10K's and hold 25 mph on the bike for 40K.  My point is that you WILL see it in Tris in the next few years.  It's REALLY hard for a good swimmer to overcook his race with the swim.  Mediocre swimmers, yeah.....good swimmers, no....not for Oly distance. 

Originally posted by Leegoocrap

Originally posted by Left BrainSure it has....but it hasn't been common for people who can run 30:00 10K's and hold 25 mph on the bike for 40K.  My point is that you WILL see it in Tris in the next few years.  It's REALLY hard for a good swimmer to overcook his race with the swim.  Mediocre swimmers, yeah.....good swimmers, no....not for Oly distance. 

right, but that only matters if those swimmers avg 25mph and 30' 10k's

Of course they will.......you guys act like triathlon has been around for 100 years.  This sport will get ALOT faster in the next 5-10 years....or a bit longer.  Watch and see.

Originally posted by Leegoocrap

Originally posted by Left Brain

Originally posted by Leegoocrap

Originally posted by Left BrainSure it has....but it hasn't been common for people who can run 30:00 10K's and hold 25 mph on the bike for 40K.  My point is that you WILL see it in Tris in the next few years.  It's REALLY hard for a good swimmer to overcook his race with the swim.  Mediocre swimmers, yeah.....good swimmers, no....not for Oly distance. 

right, but that only matters if those swimmers avg 25mph and 30' 10k's

Of course they will.......you guys act like triathlon has been around for 100 years.  This sport will get ALOT faster in the next 5-10 years....or a bit longer.  Watch and see.

by that reasoning... the finishing times for Kona should be DRASTICALLY faster than they were in the late 80s, especially since then you get to add that in the 80's / 90's most guys were riding modified road bikes with box wheels and not SUPERbikes with deep front/rears... yet that isn't the trend at all.

It'll be years before it trickles into long course.....but of course it will.  Look, 15 and 16 year old kids run sub 2:00:00 Oly's now.  About 5 or 10 years ago they started running sub 1 hour sprints......and the really fast kids are just now finding triathlon.  Wait until you see what happens with women's triathlon when in becomes an NCAA Championship sport. 

It takes time......but this sport WILL get faster.....at every distance. 

To use your own words.....we are talking about triathlon.  Top swimmers are getting involved in droves these days.....never the case in triathlon until recently.  Swim times in traithlon will drop, as will overall times.  I know you don't see it....because you aren't watching it.

Yep.  ITU studs like the Brownlee boys and Gomez swim as fast as they need to and not as fast as they can.  All those three have to do is come out of the water with the front pack, stay with the lead group on the bike and then have a 10K foot race between the three of them.