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2005-10-18 12:53 PM

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I just found out today that my company will most likely be moving my office's operations from its current location(Dallas, TX) to Nashville, TN and I can't figure out how I feel about it so I am just kind of thinking out loud on paper.  I don't know all the details and am drawing a few of my own conclusions based on my knowledge of the company and business, but my boss did tell me things will not be pleasant around here for the next couple of days.  I could be laid off tomorrow or offered a transfer to Nashville.  So I am looking at this a couple of ways:

 

1)       The safe, secure thing for me would be, if offered, moving with the office to Nashville thus keeping my job, my salary, and my lifestyle.  My current job allows my wife to stay home with our soon to be 2 children(the 2nd is due in 3 weeks) and live fairly comfortably.  However, I don't really like my job and have been contemplating getting out of it for years now.  It has become a paycheck and nothing more.

2)       Look at this as a blessing and opportunity to start a new career.  I have wanted to do this for years but have not had the guts.  There are not a lot of entry level jobs I am qualified for that would keep me at my current salary level.  The other problem is, I am 35 years old and still don't know what I want to do when I grow up.  I have a bachelors degree in business administration(major of marketing HA!) but have found I really don't like the corporate world.  It is absolutely stifling.

 

Just rambling here but any input or experiences are certainly welcome.



2005-10-18 12:54 PM
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You could join golfinggods in Nashville!  I hear he's looking for some people to train with!
2005-10-18 12:56 PM
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Don't leave Freebirds!! Don't do it! I'm telling you, you'll regret it. Find another job in TX...
2005-10-18 12:56 PM
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I forgot to mention, tomorrow is my 11 year anniversary with the company.  Isn't that nice!
2005-10-18 12:58 PM
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That isn't good...

ghart2 - 2005-10-18 1:56 PM I forgot to mention, tomorrow is my 11 year anniversary with the company.  Isn't that nice!

2005-10-18 1:03 PM
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So despite what Comet says, Nashville's a great city.

I got laid off in '95, and while at first I thought it was the end of the world, it turned out to be the best thing that ever happened to me. I won't go into why, because it's immaterial. Take this opportunity to make something new for yourself, whether it's a new city, job or career.

And with 11 years, you'll probably...maybe...get a nice severance package that would afford you the chance to do some soul searching (and if nothing else, lots of training).


2005-10-18 1:14 PM
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I say come to Nashville!!!!!

It is a awesome town, I have lived here for 9 years now and wouldnt go anywhere else (except maybe if I won this 340M powerball). We have 1.2 mil people here is the city now (more people live inside the city limits than in Atlanta). There is a lot to do plus you have all of the southern hospitality.

Plus no hurricanes, earthquakes, floods, forest fires, sunami's, sharks, blizzards, tornado alley, and the state is republican.

2005-10-18 1:16 PM
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run4yrlif - 2005-10-18 12:03 PM  And with 11 years, you'll probably...maybe...get a nice severance package that would afford you the chance to do some soul searching (and if nothing else, lots of training).

I would love a nice healthy severance.  I think that would make my decisions.  Unfortunately, I'm afraid there won't be much in the way of severance.  My guess is that they will set a date 6 months or so in the future for my office's operations to start being performed out of Nashville and they will tell you you have a job until the office closes.  At that point you can either move to Nashville and continue your employment or your employment effectively ends.  But I am doing alot of speculating at this point.

2005-10-18 1:18 PM
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Ghart,

My home office is in Dallas, ironic huh.

2005-10-18 1:23 PM
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QUOTE]golfinggods - 2005-10-18 12:14 PM

I say come to Nashville!!!!!

It is a awesome town, I have lived here for 9 years now and wouldnt go anywhere else (except maybe if I won this 340M powerball). We have 1.2 mil people here is the city now (more people live inside the city limits than in Atlanta). There is a lot to do plus you have all of the southern hospitality.

Plus no hurricanes, earthquakes, floods, forest fires, sunami's, sharks, blizzards, tornado alley, and the state is republican.

You know, I honestly think I would like Nashville.  But I am not sure I want to uproot my family for a job I don't really care for.  Plus, Dallas doesn't have hurricanes, floods, forest fires, sunami's, sharks, blizzards, an occasional tornado, and it too is republican.

golfinggods - 2005-10-18 12:18 PM

Ghart,

My home office is in Dallas, ironic huh.

Are they hiring?<img align='middle' src='https://beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/images/emoticons/smile.gif'>

2005-10-18 3:39 PM
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ghart2 - 2005-10-18 11:16 AM

I would love a nice healthy severance.  I think that would make my decisions.  Unfortunately, I'm afraid there won't be much in the way of severance.  My guess is that they will set a date 6 months or so in the future for my office's operations to start being performed out of Nashville and they will tell you you have a job until the office closes.  At that point you can either move to Nashville and continue your employment or your employment effectively ends.  But I am doing alot of speculating at this point.



One month ago, I was in this position exactly. My company is closing its doors in the city that I work in and instead of offering us severance they decided to offer us working notice. They're closing up in September 2006.

There are definitely going to be some hard choices for you to make in the near future, but if you are really feeling like you need a change and you are not enjoying your job then I say look for work elsewhere. Still having a job for a few more months takes some of the pressure off.

Good luck,
Jen


2005-10-18 4:02 PM
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If you've been wanting to change careers DO IT. You aren't getting any younger and the longer you wait the harder it will be.

My husband used to work in hospitality management...which meant he worked when everyone else didn't.  He hated it and it was affecting him in ways he didn't realize. He wasn't getting quality sleep, he had poor eating habits, he often had a upset stomach and was constantly taking pain meds for headaches. He also didn't really know what he wanted to do.  He met with a career counselor (recommended by a local university) to talk about passions, strengths, etc.  He used that to help him think about what is a logical next step. Then, a very small window of opportunity opened up for him and he went for it. That opportunity paid him all of $9 an hour (a 55% pay cut), but we made some adjustments and made it work because it got him in the door to something he was passionate about.  Two years later, he's happy as a lark.  No more upset tummies all the time, dramatically fewer headaches, lower stress level and overall improved health (oh, and a promotion to a "real adult" salary!)

Take 1 day at at time and just see what happens. Talk to your wife (calmly) and let her know your feelings about possibly using this opportunity to jump ship.  It might catch her off guard at first (it did me) and I am sure she will be worried about taking care of the kids but you can do this. You just need to have your family on your team, because it can be nerve wracking at times.

Good luck to you!
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2005-10-18 7:45 PM
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Gary,

Sorry to hear it...but take a few days to really do some thinking, and spend some time visiting with your wife about how she would feel about Nashville, etc.  Wierd enough, I am also 35, with a B.B.A. in Marketing fromt he exact same school as you, and I hate what I do.  I've been pondering a career change too, but because of law school loans, I am kinda stuck...and I also don't know what I want to be when I grow up...so if you figure it out, PLEASE share...maybe whatever it is, we can do it together!  And I've also been looking at moving to the metroplex. 

Hmmmmmmmm.....we could use these marketing degrees to form "Texas Tri Sports" an all-in-one tri superstore store in the DFW area.  We'd go broke, but it sure would be fun!

2005-10-18 8:23 PM
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2005-10-19 8:17 AM
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You'd get my business too!  Those RBM kids don't appreciate what Aaron's done for them anyway.  I say let 'em move to Nashville, start thinking about what you WANT to be doing here instead of how you'd get there and continue doing something you don't want to do.  Just my .02.
2005-10-19 10:51 AM
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JeepFleeb - 2005-10-18 7:23 PM

Sorry to hear about your situation Gary.  I'd say that you should try to look at it as a blessing to find a job that's more satisfying.  Besides, you can't go to Nashville!  Who would I have to race against if you left?

OldAg92 - 2005-10-18 7:45 PM
....And I've also been looking at moving to the metroplex. 

Hmmmmmmmm.....we could use these marketing degrees to form "Texas Tri Sports" an all-in-one tri superstore store in the DFW area.  We'd go broke, but it sure would be fun!

I'm not sure I could use that marketing degree for much more than wiping my ass.  I can't remember a thing I learned about marketing.  Given our ages and majors we were probably in a class together along the way some time.  Small world.

Thank you all for the advice/encouragement.  My wife and I talked for hours last night and she is completely supportive of whatever happens.  She really thinks I should jump ship and figure out what I want to do when I grow up(then grow up really fast).  She knows I have been unhappy for a long time.  She is willing to downsize our lifestyle or pack up and move to Nashville.  I couldn't ask for greater support.

I have no news as of yet but the office is kind of eery this morning.  If any of you have been in a tornado, it is like when the sky turns that weird color, there is absolutely no breeze blowing, and you can't hear a single bird.  The management team(which would include me) is supposed to meet with some VP sometime this afternoon and then apparently we are expected to put on smiling faces when the bomb is dropped on the rest of the employees tomorrow, which was originally billed as a rah rah  meeting to tell everyone what kind of track we are on for 4th quarter bonuses.  This is why I hate the corporate environment. 



2005-10-19 6:25 PM
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If there's one thing that I've learned in my 13 years with my company is that I owe them no loyalty just as they owe me none.  They've got one interest  in mind and that is those who receive the profit/losses.  I've seen consultants who don't know how our business runs come in and hack and slash good people and double the workload of others.  I've been though a "Baine Study", and a "Carpedia Experience", and I've seen the gradual decrease in benefits for employees, the loss of pensions, the reduction in vacations....

Look out for #1.  Tell em you'll go to keep the money flowing and look like hell for a job.  Sign nothing.  LOL!  If you're picking up and going, make sure they're willing to spend the cash to allow you, the wife, and kids to look at the area for a week, house purchase, etc.

Sorry to hear about the move and the potential for lay offs.  Keep the morale up where you can, and hang in there.

2005-10-19 6:38 PM
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I am in the middle of the process you are going through. I had the option of moving or a sweet severence. I took the sweet severence, but have to stick around to close things up. The Hurricane has extended the date my job ends and I guess I am okay with that. I have 17 years with the company and have been through downsizings in 5 of the last 6 years. I don't know what I will do when the job ends but I can tell you I have slept better since I took the out than I have in the last 3 years. I have always been a high acheiver at work but the last couple years its become just a paycheck and I vote for looking for a career choice that you can be passionate about. Good luck.
2005-10-19 8:28 PM
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jkbostic - 2005-10-19 7:25 PM

If there's one thing that I've learned in my 13 years with my company is that I owe them no loyalty just as they owe me none.  They've got one interest  in mind and that is those who receive the profit/losses.  I've seen consultants who don't know how our business runs come in and hack and slash good people and double the workload of others.  I've been though a "Baine Study", and a "Carpedia Experience", and I've seen the gradual decrease in benefits for employees, the loss of pensions, the reduction in vacations....

Look out for #1.  Tell em you'll go to keep the money flowing and look like hell for a job.  Sign nothing.  LOL!  If you're picking up and going, make sure they're willing to spend the cash to allow you, the wife, and kids to look at the area for a week, house purchase, etc.

Sorry to hear about the move and the potential for lay offs.  Keep the morale up where you can, and hang in there.

Jeff's got this one pegged...for me, it would be a financial decision, and a way of life decision.  And keeping your current cash flowing buys time, and in your case, time is money...it gives you the flexibility to choose what you want without the pressure of not being able to put food on the table or having to take a short-term job or the wife going back to work.  And it gives you leverage in any job negotiation (always better to negotiate while employed, no?!).

Jeff's advice is right on...tell them you're going, then search like there's no tomorrow for something you want to do, starting to-day.  Hope it works out...

2005-10-20 4:52 PM
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Well the bomb officially dropped.  Unfortunately I don't know much more than I already expected.  The only real news I got was a date.  My office will close May 2006.  I will most likely be offered a position in Nashville.  There is also the possibility of being offered a position in here in the D/FW area but I don't think it is something I would be interested in.  It is still unclear how a severence package, if any, will be administered.  Won't get more details on that until Nov. 7th.  From what I can tell I should get 9 months salary and benefits from the day my job ends.  The only problem is, I feel like I know enough about this company that they will try and screw me by offering me a position in Irving.  Supposedly if they offer me a position at 80% or more of my current salary and I decline, then they do not have to give me a seperation package.  But we shall see.  I have at least 6 months.
2005-10-20 7:20 PM
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Stick it out and get the severence package. It's free money to you. ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS take the severence package. No matter what they offer you, whether or not you like your job, take the severence package. It's bad business not too. Take that money, invest it, apply for unemployment, find a comparable job.

Now is not the time to hem and haw over a career change. The time to decide about a career change is when you are not emotional and can be objective about it. Get another job doing what you specialize in and will pay you accordingly. After a couple of months and stabilibilization, then decide on a career change.

Stay focused. Stay strong. Get the job done. Then have fun



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2005-10-21 11:32 AM
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ghart2 - 2005-10-20 1:52 PM

Well the bomb officially dropped.  Unfortunately I don't know much more than I already expected.  The only real news I got was a date.  My office will close May 2006.  I will most likely be offered a position in Nashville.  There is also the possibility of being offered a position in here in the D/FW area but I don't think it is something I would be interested in.  It is still unclear how a severence package, if any, will be administered.  Won't get more details on that until Nov. 7th.  From what I can tell I should get 9 months salary and benefits from the day my job ends.  The only problem is, I feel like I know enough about this company that they will try and screw me by offering me a position in Irving.  Supposedly if they offer me a position at 80% or more of my current salary and I decline, then they do not have to give me a seperation package.  But we shall see.  I have at least 6 months.


I guess I agree with some posts and completely disagree with others.

If your companyis worth its salt it will offer you *some* kind of severance along with some career counseling and placement services for those that do decide to stay. But, there is no guarantee...which sucks. I work for a companythat's done layoffs before and they take care of their people. I've heard horror stories from others where a supervisor had to lay off most of his staff, then went to see his manager and was laid off himself...with little to no package. There are no guarantees...sigh

Sounds like you have a lot going on on the home front as well.

IMHO, though, this *is* an opportunity. You've already told us you're not happy in your job. There is no *perfect* time to try for a career change so why not look into it now?

There's a book by PO Bronson called "What should I do with my life?" http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=...
To say it was life changing for me and some friends is an understatement.

One left her job as a managing editor of a tech website that had gotten beaten down, thinned out, more work, no raise....went to the Culinary Institute and is now the Food/Bev Director at a Mark Hopkins....*and* the east bay restaurant critic for a large paper out here. This week she's in Japan at another of the hotels they own for a seminar....she is living her DREAM.

Another left a high level job where I work...a good friend and colleague who I admire very, very much. She worked in online as well, but quit. She's writing full time now, finished one novel, starting her second and doing research and other part time works in a field she loves.

Another left corporate america...and very nice perks...to start her *dream* business that she's thought about doing for 20+ years. I've never seen her so happy.

The caveat with these stories is their changes were not easy. They weren't loaded down with money. they weren't able to just make the change, but they set a goal, worked toward it, saved money, researched and made it happen over the course of a year or two.

My advice, for what it's worth, inveset in the research and try to figure out what you want to be when you grow up. I can say I've been in the same position that you are, but I'm also working toward my long term goal.

Good luck and stay strong.



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2005-10-21 11:59 AM
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2005-10-23 10:07 AM
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So much great and encouraging info here.  Thanks all!  It has been quite a week.  The week started out harmless enough.  Tuesday and Wednesday were uneasy and nerve racking with nothing really but speculation.  Then something strange happened Thursday.  I think I had pretty much convinced myself I was not moving with a job that I could no longer really stomach.  I went to work in the best mood.  Got the official word and time frame and was completely ok with it(other than having to console those who were blind sided).  By Friday I was almost giddy.  My wife and I had not really discussed my feelings toward the end of the week, but oddly enough, I heard her explaining to a friend what was happening.  She said it was wierd because she said the last couple of days I seemed more at peace than she had seen me in a long time.  We talked somre more Friday night about possible directions.  I mentioned a possible career change and she is all for it.  She said I used to talk about this particular career way back when we first met(18 years ago).  I will weigh all my options but probably won't make any major decisions until I find out what if any seperation package is on the table.

Thanks again for all the words of encouragement.

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