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 2009-08-06 10:52 PM |
Extreme Veteran  570  |  Subject: Crashing a CenturyThere is a 111 mile bike ride this weekend that I didn't get registered for but am thinking about riding anyway. I WOULD like to have registered but can't at this point (in the past they had day of registrations). With 2500 riders and it not being a race . . . should I have any qualms about 'crashing' the party?
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| 2009-08-06 11:02 PM in reply to: #2333423 |
Champion 7595   Columbia, South Carolina | Subject: RE: Crashing a Century IMO, yes, you should (have qualms). I assume that the registration fee goes towards support for the race. Even if not, they will have based their logistical needs and any requests to the local authorities on the expected number of riders. |
| 2009-08-06 11:10 PM in reply to: #2333432 |
| Subject: RE: Crashing a Century Experior - 2009-08-06 9:02 PM IMO, yes, you should (have qualms). I assume that the registration fee goes towards support for the race. Even if not, they will have based their logistical needs and any requests to the local authorities on the expected number of riders. x2. It's called banditing |
| 2009-08-06 11:15 PM in reply to: #2333423 |
Extreme Veteran 570 | Subject: RE: Crashing a Century hmmm . . . even if I don't use any of the support and am just riding for the course? |
| 2009-08-06 11:15 PM in reply to: #2333423 |
Veteran 281 | Subject: RE: Crashing a Century I did my first century a few weeks ago and the only problem I would see is that they did give us numbers to wear...there were other riders not in the race on the road but they were not allowed to ride with us...I think they just happened to probably live in the area...just and FYI...I would be mad if I drove a long way or went out of my way to realize I was really going to booted by SAG or others.... |
| 2009-08-06 11:23 PM in reply to: #2333423 |
Master 1472 | Subject: RE: Crashing a Century yojimbo - 2009-08-06 8:52 PM There is a 111 mile bike ride this weekend that I didn't get registered for but am thinking about riding anyway. I WOULD like to have registered but can't at this point (in the past they had day of registrations). With 2500 riders and it not being a race . . . should I have any qualms about 'crashing' the party?
Very simple answer.... Yes. You should have qualms. |
| 2009-08-06 11:26 PM in reply to: #2333444 |
Champion 7595 Columbia, South Carolina | Subject: RE: Crashing a Century yojimbo - 2009-08-07 12:15 AM hmmm . . . even if I don't use any of the support and am just riding for the course? Yes. A very likely scenario is that local authorities said to the organizers "How many riders will there be?" Stuff like permits, off duty police officers helping with traffic, etc., were based on the response. Sure, you're "just one more rider", but surely we can agree that that argument is no good. But quite apart from those considerations, this is an event for which, apparently, the organizers requested registration in advance, and you are suggesting that somehow this request does not apply to you. Why? (I don't mean to be rude; but think about it from their point of view.) |
| 2009-08-06 11:26 PM in reply to: #2333445 |
Extreme Veteran 570 | Subject: RE: Crashing a Century ahh! there is in person registration tomorrow night! . . . dilemma solved! i think this ride uses bracelets for logistical and food support entry. but i was curious if they could keep you off the roads. i will feel much more comfortable registering regardless. trouble is now i'll feel i have to stop and take advantage of the support stops instead of riding it like an IM. |
| 2009-08-06 11:39 PM in reply to: #2333450 |
Extreme Veteran 570 | Subject: RE: Crashing a Century Experior - 2009-08-06 10:26 PM yojimbo - 2009-08-07 12:15 AM hmmm . . . even if I don't use any of the support and am just riding for the course? Yes. A very likely scenario is that local authorities said to the organizers "How many riders will there be?" Stuff like permits, off duty police officers helping with traffic, etc., were based on the response. Sure, you're "just one more rider", but surely we can agree that that argument is no good. But quite apart from those considerations, this is an event for which, apparently, the organizers requested registration in advance, and you are suggesting that somehow this request does not apply to you. Why? (I don't mean to be rude; but think about it from their point of view.) We are in the wild west out here . . . and in all honesty . . . having ridden this in the past there is no police support, etc. The roads on this ride are wide and out of the way. I don't think think legally they could keep anyone off the roads as a rider any more than if you were a driver of a car. However, I certainly would have issues with taking in any of the provided support stops, food, etc. I think just because a race or event plans something using the roads . . . it does not give them the right to use it exclusively. If I were in Charlotte or LA where roads might be closed down and there would be that kind of support. I might feel differently. But if anyone else wanted to ride the route at the same time I wouldn't have problems with that. My registration fees are going towards support . . . not for road tolls. I think it's an interesting question and why I asked. Good feedback.
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| 2009-08-06 11:48 PM in reply to: #2333451 |
| Subject: RE: Crashing a Century yojimbo - 2009-08-06 9:26 PM Good work. If a race has a closed course, yes they have a right to keep people off the road. Centuries are too long to close all the roads, of course, but I'd be willing to bet that there are a few controlled intersections where law enforcement are controlling traffic. Anyway, glad it's a non issue now.ahh! there is in person registration tomorrow night! . . . dilemma solved! i think this ride uses bracelets for logistical and food support entry. but i was curious if they could keep you off the roads. i will feel much more comfortable registering regardless. trouble is now i'll feel i have to stop and take advantage of the support stops instead of riding it like an IM. |
| 2009-08-06 11:54 PM in reply to: #2333423 |
Master 2665 The Whites, New Hampshire | Subject: RE: Crashing a Century Understanding your situation is now solved (yay!), still wanted to respond. Can they legally keep you off an open course? No, of course not. And as long as you aren't using any of the disposable resources, you aren't really stealing all that much. But, as other said, they have planned to have x number of people on the roads. Also, it is just wrong - even your word choice, "crashing" shows it isn't quite right. Yeah, crashing someone's party can be fun, but it can also annoy the living daylights out of the host. Crashing a rather large event? Nah, don't do it. Besides, I would bet that at least some of the area clubs keep their eyes nominally out for people banditing and wouldn't be quite as welcoming should you ask to ride with them in the future. Anywho, have an awesome ride! |
| 2009-08-07 2:31 AM in reply to: #2333423 |
Pro 5892 , New Hampshire | Subject: RE: Crashing a Century First off, good that things worked out so you could register. Most of the time, organizing a ride does cost quite a bit of money (permits, stops, etc. etc. etc.), and most organizers do it just because they enjoy the sport, not for money (certain some of the bigger ones are very different). Just breaking even is tough and that is of course not counting the endless hours being put in for free. Crashing a race understanding this, is in my book, pretty low. |
| 2009-08-07 8:45 AM in reply to: #2333423 |
Champion 7558 Albuquerque, New Mexico | Subject: RE: Crashing a Century If you want to ride the route, register. You're taking advantage of the road markings, logistics, road closures, and other participants even if you're not stopping at the aid stations or using ride sag support. You're also in that quasi in/out as far as their insurance goes. What happens if you and a registered participant crash into each other? The ride organizer's insurance should have some coverage for the participant, but now they'll be asking why the other rider wasn't registered and they therefore they shouldn't be responsible. If you want to take advantage of the markings on another weekend, no problem. |
| 2009-08-07 9:35 AM in reply to: #2333432 |
Extreme Veteran 385 shenandoah valley | Subject: RE: Crashing a Century Experior - 2009-08-07 12:02 AM IMO, yes, you should (have qualms). I assume that the registration fee goes towards support for the race. Even if not, they will have based their logistical needs and any requests to the local authorities on the expected number of riders. And insurance. As someone who promotes a century and other events, I see this as 'stealing'. Sign up or go ride somewhere else, but don't steal from them. edit: Glad to see you are going legit. Enjoy the ride!!  Edited by mrussell 2009-08-07 9:38 AM |
| 2009-08-07 10:38 AM in reply to: #2333927 |
Master 1651 Breckenridge, CO | Subject: RE: Crashing a Century mrussell - 2009-08-07 8:35 AM As someone who promotes a century and other events, I see this as 'stealing'. Sign up or go ride somewhere else, but don't steal from them. As someone who lives in an area where at least four major rides clog our routes each summer, I see it a little differently. Not only do my tax dollars pay for the roads, I've personally helped fund construction/maintenance of bike paths that are used during the rides. I pirated the Triple Bypass this year because: 1) I would have been happy to pay but it sold out in four days in January. They got all the revenue for which they budgeted. Me, riding my home routes didn't cost them a cent. I carry my own insurance and everything else. 2) I couldn't sign-up in January because I had another race scheduled that day which I ended up not doing because of injury. 3) I intentionally started 1.5 hours after the end of the starting period. Not only did I not use their aid stations, I didn't even stop at one. 4) They take extreme efforts to keep pirates off the course which I (and my personal attorney who was awaiting my call during the ride) believe are illegal and insulting to local riders as in, "You can clog up my routes but I can't ride them, yeah right...". Being in the mountains, we don't have many roads and there's no way I'm going to drive "somewhere else" to ride on one of my precious summer weekend days. |
| 2009-08-07 10:46 AM in reply to: #2334144 |
Champion 8766 Evergreen, Colorado | Subject: RE: Crashing a Century breckview - 2009-08-07 10:38 AM mrussell - 2009-08-07 8:35 AM As someone who promotes a century and other events, I see this as 'stealing'. Sign up or go ride somewhere else, but don't steal from them. As someone who lives in an area where at least four major rides clog our routes each summer, I see it a little differently. Not only do my tax dollars pay for the roads, I've personally helped fund construction/maintenance of bike paths that are used during the rides. I pirated the Triple Bypass this year because: 1) I would have been happy to pay but it sold out in four days in January. They got all the revenue for which they budgeted. Me, riding my home routes didn't cost them a cent. I carry my own insurance and everything else. 2) I couldn't sign-up in January because I had another race scheduled that day which I ended up not doing because of injury. 3) I intentionally started 1.5 hours after the end of the starting period. Not only did I not use their aid stations, I didn't even stop at one. 4) They take extreme efforts to keep pirates off the course which I (and my personal attorney who was awaiting my call during the ride) believe are illegal and insulting to local riders as in, "You can clog up my routes but I can't ride them, yeah right...". Being in the mountains, we don't have many roads and there's no way I'm going to drive "somewhere else" to ride on one of my precious summer weekend days.^^^^What he said! They can't expect local riders NOT to go out and ride that weekend. As long as you don't use any of their aid stations and you're really just doing your own thing, as a vehicle you have every right to the same roads...as long as it isn't a closed course. As for the insurance question...it's plain and simple...if a non-participating bike hits one of the participating bikes it should be treated exactly like any bike/bike or car/bike accident....who pays for what will be mostly determined by fault. |
| 2009-08-07 10:54 AM in reply to: #2333423 |
Champion 19812 MA | Subject: RE: Crashing a Century On a note like Breckview mentioned above^^ Last weekend there was a big charity fund raiser ride here in MA, happens part of the route is where I always ride but I didn't know it. My daughter, husband and I were out riding and there were spectators along the route and they ended up cheering for us. It was weird as no way I could say anything to them like we're just riding as they wouldn't hear us, but after a few miles I'd just wave. My routes and their route overlapped that day. We didn't see or take any aid or any police or volunteers so I had no issues with it other than feeling odd folks were cheering us on. |
| 2009-08-07 12:38 PM in reply to: #2334144 |
Champion 7595 Columbia, South Carolina | Subject: RE: Crashing a Century breckview - 2009-08-07 11:38 AM mrussell - 2009-08-07 8:35 AM As someone who promotes a century and other events, I see this as 'stealing'. Sign up or go ride somewhere else, but don't steal from them. As someone who lives in an area where at least four major rides clog our routes each summer, I see it a little differently. Not only do my tax dollars pay for the roads, I've personally helped fund construction/maintenance of bike paths that are used during the rides. I pirated the Triple Bypass this year because: 1) I would have been happy to pay but it sold out in four days in January. They got all the revenue for which they budgeted. Me, riding my home routes didn't cost them a cent. I carry my own insurance and everything else. 2) I couldn't sign-up in January because I had another race scheduled that day which I ended up not doing because of injury. 3) I intentionally started 1.5 hours after the end of the starting period. Not only did I not use their aid stations, I didn't even stop at one. 4) They take extreme efforts to keep pirates off the course which I (and my personal attorney who was awaiting my call during the ride) believe are illegal and insulting to local riders as in, "You can clog up my routes but I can't ride them, yeah right...". Being in the mountains, we don't have many roads and there's no way I'm going to drive "somewhere else" to ride on one of my precious summer weekend days.Sounds like basically you did not do 'their' ride, then. I think OP had more in mind to behave as if he were a registered participant (apart from not using aid stations), without registering, not to ride the same route completely independently of the group ride. I think there's an important difference, even if it is subtle, between those two things. To continue the 'crashing' analogy -- you (quite legally, at least around these parts) walked through somebody's block party on open sidewalks. That's different from 'crashing' the party. |
| 2009-08-07 12:59 PM in reply to: #2334447 |
Extreme Veteran 385 shenandoah valley | Subject: RE: Crashing a Century Experior - 2009-08-07 1:38 PM breckview - 2009-08-07 11:38 AM mrussell - 2009-08-07 8:35 AM As someone who promotes a century and other events, I see this as 'stealing'. Sign up or go ride somewhere else, but don't steal from them. As someone who lives in an area where at least four major rides clog our routes each summer, I see it a little differently. Not only do my tax dollars pay for the roads, I've personally helped fund construction/maintenance of bike paths that are used during the rides. I pirated the Triple Bypass this year because: 1) I would have been happy to pay but it sold out in four days in January. They got all the revenue for which they budgeted. Me, riding my home routes didn't cost them a cent. I carry my own insurance and everything else. 2) I couldn't sign-up in January because I had another race scheduled that day which I ended up not doing because of injury. 3) I intentionally started 1.5 hours after the end of the starting period. Not only did I not use their aid stations, I didn't even stop at one. 4) They take extreme efforts to keep pirates off the course which I (and my personal attorney who was awaiting my call during the ride) believe are illegal and insulting to local riders as in, "You can clog up my routes but I can't ride them, yeah right...". Being in the mountains, we don't have many roads and there's no way I'm going to drive "somewhere else" to ride on one of my precious summer weekend days.Sounds like basically you did not do 'their' ride, then. I think OP had more in mind to behave as if he were a registered participant (apart from not using aid stations), without registering, not to ride the same route completely independently of the group ride. I think there's an important difference, even if it is subtle, between those two things. To continue the 'crashing' analogy -- you (quite legally, at least around these parts) walked through somebody's block party on open sidewalks. That's different from 'crashing' the party. EXACTLY, thanks. Riding the same roads that the ORGANIZED century use is completely different from being a bandit/pirate/etc and using a ride's escort, aid stations etc. Enjoy your ride. |
| 2009-08-07 1:10 PM in reply to: #2333423 |
Champion 6503 NOVA - Ironic for an Endurance Athlete | Subject: RE: Crashing a Century Why not call the race organizer and ask if you can register on site? |
| 2009-08-07 2:12 PM in reply to: #2333423 |
Pro 6767 the Alabama part of Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: Crashing a Century The whole idea makes me think of this video. |
| 2009-08-07 2:34 PM in reply to: #2334144 |
Extreme Veteran 417 Davidson | Subject: RE: Crashing a Century X2 to Breckview's comments. I agree, in general, with supporting organized rides that I intend to participate in, but I don't worry for one second about being on the same roads as an organized ride during one of my regular training rides. It happens pretty often where I live because the country roads in my area make for the most convenient place to do an organized ride. Since I am on a training ride, I have my own nutrition and hydration and I don't need the rest stops. Recently, I exited my neighborhood in the middle of a huge crowd of riders doing a charity ride that I knew nothing about. My training route overlapped their ride route about 90% and I was riding with them most of the three hours. Didn't think twice about it. Just enjoyed the company. Greg |
| 2009-08-07 4:13 PM in reply to: #2334163 |
Champion 7558 Albuquerque, New Mexico | Subject: RE: Crashing a Century jldicarlo - 2009-08-07 10:46 AM breckview - 2009-08-07 10:38 AM mrussell - 2009-08-07 8:35 AM As someone who promotes a century and other events, I see this as 'stealing'. Sign up or go ride somewhere else, but don't steal from them. As someone who lives in an area where at least four major rides clog our routes each summer, I see it a little differently. Not only do my tax dollars pay for the roads, I've personally helped fund construction/maintenance of bike paths that are used during the rides. I pirated the Triple Bypass this year because: 1) I would have been happy to pay but it sold out in four days in January. They got all the revenue for which they budgeted. Me, riding my home routes didn't cost them a cent. I carry my own insurance and everything else. 2) I couldn't sign-up in January because I had another race scheduled that day which I ended up not doing because of injury. 3) I intentionally started 1.5 hours after the end of the starting period. Not only did I not use their aid stations, I didn't even stop at one. 4) They take extreme efforts to keep pirates off the course which I (and my personal attorney who was awaiting my call during the ride) believe are illegal and insulting to local riders as in, "You can clog up my routes but I can't ride them, yeah right...". Being in the mountains, we don't have many roads and there's no way I'm going to drive "somewhere else" to ride on one of my precious summer weekend days.^^^^What he said! They can't expect local riders NOT to go out and ride that weekend. As long as you don't use any of their aid stations and you're really just doing your own thing, as a vehicle you have every right to the same roads...as long as it isn't a closed course. As for the insurance question...it's plain and simple...if a non-participating bike hits one of the participating bikes it should be treated exactly like any bike/bike or car/bike accident....who pays for what will be mostly determined by fault. At least until the RD tries to get insurance for the next year. ETA: I don't have a problem with someone riding on the same roads as long as they're open. Personally, I wouldn't PLAN to start MY ride using the same route as the organized ride and riding at roughly the same time as the organized ride (which was the OP). Ride it backwards, start several hours earlier/later (so you're clearly respecting the needs of the organized riders). If you inadvertently find yourself on an organized ride route, that's a little different. Edited by McFuzz 2009-08-07 4:27 PM |
| 2009-08-07 5:09 PM in reply to: #2333423 |
Master 2073 The Redlands, FL | Subject: RE: Crashing a Century I live in The Redlands South Florida...and...it's usually here where the Century Rides are hold...and...this is my back yard where I ride every single day...and....I have been in the middle of these Century Rides and no body can't tell me that I can't ride....the roads are public....LOL Edited by velorider62 2009-08-07 5:10 PM |
| 2009-08-07 6:01 PM in reply to: #2334966 |
| Subject: RE: Crashing a Century McFuzz - 2009-08-07 2:13 PM jldicarlo - 2009-08-07 10:46 AM breckview - 2009-08-07 10:38 AM mrussell - 2009-08-07 8:35 AM As someone who promotes a century and other events, I see this as 'stealing'. Sign up or go ride somewhere else, but don't steal from them. As someone who lives in an area where at least four major rides clog our routes each summer, I see it a little differently. Not only do my tax dollars pay for the roads, I've personally helped fund construction/maintenance of bike paths that are used during the rides. I pirated the Triple Bypass this year because: 1) I would have been happy to pay but it sold out in four days in January. They got all the revenue for which they budgeted. Me, riding my home routes didn't cost them a cent. I carry my own insurance and everything else. 2) I couldn't sign-up in January because I had another race scheduled that day which I ended up not doing because of injury. 3) I intentionally started 1.5 hours after the end of the starting period. Not only did I not use their aid stations, I didn't even stop at one. 4) They take extreme efforts to keep pirates off the course which I (and my personal attorney who was awaiting my call during the ride) believe are illegal and insulting to local riders as in, "You can clog up my routes but I can't ride them, yeah right...". Being in the mountains, we don't have many roads and there's no way I'm going to drive "somewhere else" to ride on one of my precious summer weekend days.^^^^What he said! They can't expect local riders NOT to go out and ride that weekend. As long as you don't use any of their aid stations and you're really just doing your own thing, as a vehicle you have every right to the same roads...as long as it isn't a closed course. As for the insurance question...it's plain and simple...if a non-participating bike hits one of the participating bikes it should be treated exactly like any bike/bike or car/bike accident....who pays for what will be mostly determined by fault. At least until the RD tries to get insurance for the next year. ETA: I don't have a problem with someone riding on the same roads as long as they're open. Personally, I wouldn't PLAN to start MY ride using the same route as the organized ride and riding at roughly the same time as the organized ride (which was the OP). Ride it backwards, start several hours earlier/later (so you're clearly respecting the needs of the organized riders). If you inadvertently find yourself on an organized ride route, that's a little different. eggsactly, i don't even have a problem if it's .. advertant (?), or you intend to ride a route you know is part of an organized ride, and you know it's going on during the same time period. that's not the OP's question as I read it. Although I will say, having your atty sit by the phone while you're out riding? seriously, msut have him on a nice retainer. where do I find clients like that???? |
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