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2006-03-16 12:27 PM

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Subject: Computer question -Windows XP Problem
Linux users, just pipe down for now...

I have a serious problem. I'm trying to get my new computer running that I talked about awhile ago. I got XP Pro installed, have a HD partitioned for system/apps, then one for data, I got the new computer conneted to the network, and last night started transferring photos/music, etc from 2 old computers to the new one and went to bed.

This morning, i went to resume and I'm having a problem with the new folder being read only and I can't seem to fix it. I've searched the net and this seems to be a common problem with new XP intalls! Any ideas?

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2006-03-16 12:50 PM
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I'm not 100% sure, but if you right click on the folder, select properties, select security you can change the rights to the folder....

2006-03-16 12:53 PM
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AdventureBear - 2006-03-16 1:27 PM Any ideas? Thanks

Yeah...get a Mac. 

2006-03-16 12:55 PM
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run4yrlif - 2006-03-16 1:53 PM

Yeah...get a Mac. 

I thought we decided in the other thread that those were too greasy? 

 

2006-03-16 12:59 PM
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Are the files read only, or just the directory? What about sub-directories?
2006-03-16 5:57 PM
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Sigh...I'm checking the directory, and the green square is lit. But I've read that the green square just means that there are read only files IN the directory somewhere, and that the directory itself can't be read only. (I read this in a windows XP 1000 page non-helpful book today). Unchecking it, as I have done zillions of times on the drive, the folder, and the subfolders doesn't work.

I was copying from one networked drive to another, and am wondering if because the files were shared, are they automatically read only? So if I copied read only files to my new harddrive they would inherit those properties?

I'm trying to consolidate my music files onto one drive. So say I've got two Bob Dylan directories on each of two computers with different albums in each, mabye the same one duplicated...I just want Windows to dump right into the folders...so even though bob dylan folder already exists from teh first tranfer from computer #1, I want computer #2 to also dump it's bob dylan files into the same folder.

It is really a simple windows task, and last night before I went to bed it all worked fine. This morning, I tried to continue the partially completed task and that's when I started getting all the errors. I have tried setting the read-only attribute on the drive, the music folder, the artist folders...I havn't checked the individual files, but they are supposed ot inherit the properties of the parent folder, and there is no way I have time to check thousands and thousands of song files.

I have yet to do my actual documents, but anticipate a similar problem since my orgnaization on each of two old computers is similar (with folders named personal, professional, finance, etc,etc...but different files on each computer).

Any other ideas?

Oh yeah...mac people be quiet too.

Edited by AdventureBear 2006-03-16 5:58 PM


2006-03-16 6:22 PM
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OK I'm no computer or network wiz-bang, but here's my situation and you can take it for what it is or ignore it all.  I was strictly a one computer guy, running an old machine (which I still use as the host) and Windows ME.  I recently bought a laptop with WinXP and set up a wireless network.  Before I could access any of the files on the WinME computer from the laptop, I had to go in and right-click on anything I wanted to share and enable file sharing.  Did this to all my photo files, MP3's, word docs, etc.  Now I don't know if you have to do the same before you copy from one machine to another on a network.  Like I said, I'm no genius here, and I'm running some pretty old machinery on my computer downstairs which basically serves as my computrainer / BT machine.

 

2006-03-16 6:40 PM
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Subject: RE: Computer question -Windows XP Problem
If the the comptuer you're coping to has the folders with the same name it should ask if you want to overwrite the current folder or cancel.

Sometimes you have to set the permissions for shared docs, which can be done for entire drives.
2006-03-16 8:22 PM
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Yes, thank you Max and NBO. I have done both of those things, and like I said, it worked just fine yesterday. In fact, it works just fine on my ORIGINAL desktop running Windows 98 and my Laptop, running Win XP Home.

Now I have a new desktop, Win XP Pro, that I am trying to make my server, and trying to consolidate all the files onto it.

Both the things you suggested worked just fine yesterday, but now my network seems to be screwed up.

I need to go for LOOONNNNGGGG run or bike ride and let things settle. I've spent WAY too much time on this already. So frustrating. Maybe I need to just resort everything, make my new desktop the big boss, then get the others to network to it.

Who knows. At least I got rid of that old clunky CRT monitor with my cool KVM switch. Of course, that was no piece of cake either because teh old piece of CRAP, I mean the old desktop had to reboot about 6 times to load the USB driver to run teh KVM switch, until then I had to use two keybaords, two mice and only one (nice) flat screen panel.

Sigh. the sad part is, I work with computers for fun...
2006-03-16 10:45 PM
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I think it might be a security issue with Xp.  Basicly the file was made read only by another computer at which time it's security key was used.  Now you have the file on a new computer running a different security key and even though you have admin privelages, you don't have those privelages over that file.  Make sense?

try this...hope you like the command line...

Hold down the window key and hit r.  Type in cmd and hit enter.  navagate to the directory where the file is.  The 'cd' command is how you navagate.

cd dirname    will open that directory, you can also type out the entire path like this:

cd dirname/otherdir/anotherdir

cd .. will go backward one directory

you can see where you are at any time by typing 'dir'

get to the root directory (lowest common directory) where the files are and type this:

CACLS /T /G user:F

put your user name in the 'user' spot.

that will set all files in that directory as full control for whatever user you specify.

if you know unix, dir = ls, cd = cd, and CACLS = CHMOD



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2006-03-16 10:52 PM
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As a supporter of Bill, I'm always up for troubleshooting his toys...

Try creating a random folder 'A' on your new computer, open up the folder 'B' on the old computer, select all and copy and paste all files from folder 'B' on the old computer, into the random folder 'A' on the new computer. 

After that, are the folders and files on new computer read only?  They should not be.  Everything should be fine at this point.  Let me know what happens if you do these things (if nothing in the previous posts worked).



Edited by auto208562 2006-03-16 10:53 PM


2006-03-16 10:53 PM
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THat sort of makes sense. I will try it. I did something that at least looked similar through windows dialogue boxes where you an set the permissions of each user. I selected each user one at a time and set the permissions to ALL. Even though there is only one user of the computer (me), there are still like seven user combinations that get created.

I would think that this is a horribly common problem for anyone upgrading computers. I tried to ask a kid at Best Buy about this problem, and his answer was...well, you can bring your old hard drive in and we can put it on CDs for you. Look kid, I just built my own computer, installed all the applications and software, connected it to my already existing network and you think I'm going to bring you a harddrive? If it comes to that, I'll just put my old harddrive in the new computer...that's what I ended up doing the last go round about 5 years ago.

Sigh.

OK, thanks for the suggestions everyone!
2006-03-16 10:54 PM
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auto208562 - 2006-03-16 11:52 PM

As a supporter of Bill, I'm always up for troubleshooting his toys...

Try creating a random folder 'A' on your new computer, open up the folder 'B' on the old computer, select all and copy and paste all files from folder 'B' on the old computer, into the random folder 'A' on the new computer.

After that, are the folders and files on new computer read only? They should not be. Everything should be fine at this point. Let me know what happens if you do these things (if nothing in the previous posts worked).



This is a little too simple that I never would have thought of it. I'll try this too!
2006-03-16 11:00 PM
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Windows sucks... but it has me hooked. Its a love hate relationship.
They are coming out with a new version of windows fall 2006. Should be available to computer distributors in the summer. Its supposed to be a huge leap for microsoft. As big as when they came out with Windows '95. So im quite excited to see what it is like. Oh and the new OS coming out is called Windows Vista
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/default.aspx

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2006-03-16 11:06 PM
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jonow6 - 2006-03-17 12:00 AM

Windows sucks... but it has me hooked. Its a love hate relationship.
They are coming out with a new version of windows fall 2006. Should be available to computer distributors in the summer. Its supposed to be a huge leap for microsoft. As big as when they came out with Windows '95. So im quite excited to see what it is like. Oh and the new OS coming out is called Windows Vista
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/default.aspx


I call it a Hate/hate relationship. I think this is my last incarnation of windows. I had the XP Pro installation disk for 4 years, I got it in school, "free" (for my mega tuition bill) and never installed it. I was saving it for the "big day" which was yesterday.

Thanks for all the ideas, everyone!
2006-03-17 8:18 AM
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I think Vortmax is correct. It is a security/permission issue. It sounds like he has successfully used the solution he has provided.

You may also want to make sure that you are an Administrator. I think this issue has came up after one of the security patches. Have you taken a ride into the MS KB? I'll take a look and share if I find anything.



2006-03-17 8:31 AM
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2006-03-17 8:44 AM
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good links.

and windows doesn't really suck.  I have never run into a problem with windows that cannot be fixed through the command line.  It's just that Windows is still a command line based OS that has a great GUI, and had thus lost it's connection to the command line.  If something can't be fixed with a handy little wizzard or by clicking on bright colorfull icons, then the computer is "broken."  In many ways, it's like the little Puppy who lost his way.

Learn the command line and you will never be lost.  Windows also gets a bad rap because it is so widely used and touted as "user friendly."  So you get a lot of incompetent boobs (not naming names) that don't have the technical skill to properly work a taster oven think they can master Windows.  They naturally break it and complain that "window's sucks."  Macs just don't have the client base for this to happen quite yet.



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2006-03-17 9:00 AM
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Agreed. I am not all that good at the command line, but the articles are pretty easy to follow. It is funny that we sometimes have a tendency to hate on "the man" or the winner.

I have a friend that is a Mac Addict. His Mac skills landed him a job at MS and he now loves both for what they are. He really loves the $$$$$ he is able to earn and the opportunities it has afforded him. For most of us, Mac is too expensive and the open systems are too difficult and require too much time to master. How many folks start out using a Mac or Unix OS? Sounds like there is a joke for this.

2006-03-17 10:02 AM
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Actually, in this case Windows is bad. It's marketed and sold in Circuit City, etc. as an OS for home consumers, not an engineering tool. You don't need to know how to diagnose problems with and adjust the fuel injection on your car just to get it to run, and Kim shouldn't be going through what she is just to copy some files.

The average consumer should have no reason to go to the command line just to do things like basic file management. That's like saying everyone should educate themselves on how to frame a house if they want to hang a picture on a wall.

vortmax - 2006-03-17 9:44 AM

good links.

and windows doesn't really suck.  I have never run into a problem with windows that cannot be fixed through the command line.  It's just that Windows is still a command line based OS that has a great GUI, and had thus lost it's connection to the command line.  If something can't be fixed with a handy little wizzard or by clicking on bright colorfull icons, then the computer is "broken."  In many ways, it's like the little Puppy who lost his way.

Learn the command line and you will never be lost.  Windows also gets a bad rap because it is so widely used and touted as "user friendly."  So you get a lot of incompetent boobs (not naming names) that don't have the technical skill to properly work a taster oven think they can master Windows.  They naturally break it and complain that "window's sucks."  Macs just don't have the client base for this to happen quite yet.

2006-03-17 10:59 AM
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well but she is also doing slightly more complicated stuff then the average home user would be doing.  She's setting up network shares with implied permissions. 

Part of the problem is that everybody complains about secuirty in windows, so they make it secure.  Then people want easy sharing, so they try and make it easy to share files.  High security and easy file sharing don't go together hand in hand



2006-03-17 11:22 AM
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THanks again. I'll check out those links later...I've spent way too much time the past 2 days doing this, and it's sunny out (albiet cold) today.

It's Suzanne by the way. But that's OK, I've been called Kim before.

PS I love the OS debates here!
2006-03-17 11:41 AM
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All you need to do is
chmod 777 * ......
errr wait...you aren't on Mac OS X? I'm sorry
http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore/

The easiest solution for windows problems:
format c:

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2006-03-17 12:47 PM
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bradword - 2006-03-17 12:41 PM

The easiest solution for windows problems:
format c:


Brad, this would be funny, except that I just did that 2 days ago! Now go back to your other threads.

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2006-03-17 12:53 PM
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bradword - 2006-03-17 10:41 AM All you need to do is chmod 777 * ...... errr wait...you aren't on Mac OS X? I'm sorry http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore/The easiest solution for windows problems: format c:

bad form dude.  Don't give macintosh the credit for that command.  It was a linux command LONG before apple adopted the architecture.  And the command I listed does the EXACT same thing under windows.  Just a different set of letters to type.

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