Taping the vents on your helmet
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2009-08-27 1:33 PM |
Expert 1116 Thornton, CO | Subject: Taping the vents on your helmet Ok, so this might sound odd. But I just finished reading the "Speed for Sale" article mentioned in another thread: http://www.biketechreview.com/reviews/speed_for_sale.htm It got me thinking. Combined with a little NASCAR knowledge being half-originally from "Race City USA" and having a lot of friends on race teams and such I was wondering if anyone has considered taping the vents on their helmets closed to cheaply improve the aerodynamics. I know a TT helmet would be superior and isn't THAT expensive. NASCAR cars tape their front vents closed with duct tape. They adjust how much ventilation to allow through to the radiator by removing pieces depending on track temperature, air temperature, etc. Could this same philosophy be used on standard bike helmets for some? You probably would want all the ventilation you can get if it's 100 degrees out, but what about the days when it's cloudy and cool out? Would tape on the helmet present some kind of safety concern with how it would crack in the event of a wreck? An even more outrageous idea is the thought of those old helmet covers, like a really cheap BELL from Walmart, but using an old swim cap if it could stretch that big. Just a though... I'm sure it would get some looks... but could it be "free speed" if it's not a safety concern? |
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2009-08-27 1:38 PM in reply to: #2374511 |
Elite 4048 Gilbert, Az. | Subject: RE: Taping the vents on your helmet zionvier - 2009-08-27 11:33 AM Ok, so this might sound odd. But I just finished reading the "Speed for Sale" article mentioned in another thread: http://www.biketechreview.com/reviews/speed_for_sale.htm It got me thinking. Combined with a little NASCAR knowledge being half-originally from "Race City USA" and having a lot of friends on race teams and such I was wondering if anyone has considered taping the vents on their helmets closed to cheaply improve the aerodynamics. I know a TT helmet would be superior and isn't THAT expensive. NASCAR cars tape their front vents closed with duct tape. They adjust how much ventilation to allow through to the radiator by removing pieces depending on track temperature, air temperature, etc. Could this same philosophy be used on standard bike helmets for some? You probably would want all the ventilation you can get if it's 100 degrees out, but what about the days when it's cloudy and cool out? Would tape on the helmet present some kind of safety concern with how it would crack in the event of a wreck? An even more outrageous idea is the thought of those old helmet covers, like a really cheap BELL from Walmart, but using an old swim cap if it could stretch that big. Just a though... I'm sure it would get some looks... but could it be "free speed" if it's not a safety concern? Not odd, a lot of people do that. As far as the safety concern, I would think it would help. If your helmet splits that much, anything holding it together for nth of a second longer is a help in my book. :D John |
2009-08-27 1:44 PM in reply to: #2374511 |
Veteran 284 | Subject: RE: Taping the vents on your helmet But if you use metallic based duct tape, it prevents the mother ship from contacting you. JC (sorry, couldn't resist) |
2009-08-27 1:53 PM in reply to: #2374511 |
Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: Taping the vents on your helmet Unless I am mistaken, it is illegal ........... not that people don't do it, just that they shouldn't be doing it ........ |
2009-08-27 1:56 PM in reply to: #2374577 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back | Subject: RE: Taping the vents on your helmet Daremo - 2009-08-27 1:53 PM Unless I am mistaken, it is illegal ........... not that people don't do it, just that they shouldn't be doing it ........ That's a new one on me. Do you have a specific rule that they're alledgedly breaking? |
2009-08-27 1:58 PM in reply to: #2374590 |
New user 476 | Subject: RE: Taping the vents on your helmet the bear - 2009-08-27 2:56 PM Daremo - 2009-08-27 1:53 PM Unless I am mistaken, it is illegal ........... not that people don't do it, just that they shouldn't be doing it ........ That's a new one on me. Do you have a specific rule that they're alledgedly breaking? I imagine by modifying the helmet is no long certified. By not being a certified helmet, would it not be illegal? |
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2009-08-27 1:59 PM in reply to: #2374577 |
Elite 4048 Gilbert, Az. | Subject: RE: Taping the vents on your helmet Daremo - 2009-08-27 11:53 AM Unless I am mistaken, it is illegal ........... not that people don't do it, just that they shouldn't be doing it ........ The "undamaged and unaltered" verbiage in 5.9A(a)? Type of Helmet. All participants shall wear a protective head cover, undamaged and unaltered, which meets or exceeds the safety standards of the Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC). Helmets manufactured prior to March 10, 1999 must meet or exceed the safety standards of the American National Standard Institute (ANSI Z-90.4) or the Snell Memorial Foundation (Protective Headgear for Bicycle Users) and which is clearly labeled by the manufacturer as satisfying such standards. Removal of a helmet cover, if required for that helmet to meet such safety standards, or the addition of elastic to the helmet strap shall constitute an impermissible alteration in violation of this Section. Any violation of this Section 5.9A(a) shall result in disqualification. John Edited by tkd.teacher 2009-08-27 1:59 PM |
2009-08-27 1:59 PM in reply to: #2374596 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back | Subject: RE: Taping the vents on your helmet JC5066 - 2009-08-27 1:58 PM the bear - 2009-08-27 2:56 PM Daremo - 2009-08-27 1:53 PM Unless I am mistaken, it is illegal ........... not that people don't do it, just that they shouldn't be doing it ........ That's a new one on me. Do you have a specific rule that they're alledgedly breaking? I imagine by modifying the helmet is no long certified. By not being a certified helmet, would it not be illegal? I don't agree with either of those statements, especially when you're talking about a mere piece of tape. |
2009-08-27 2:02 PM in reply to: #2374600 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back | Subject: RE: Taping the vents on your helmet tkd.teacher - 2009-08-27 1:59 PM Daremo - 2009-08-27 11:53 AM Unless I am mistaken, it is illegal ........... not that people don't do it, just that they shouldn't be doing it ........ The "undamaged and unaltered" verbiage in 5.9A(a)? Type of Helmet. All participants shall wear a protective head cover, undamaged and unaltered, which meets or exceeds the safety standards of the Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC). Helmets manufactured prior to March 10, 1999 must meet or exceed the safety standards of the American National Standard Institute (ANSI Z-90.4) or the Snell Memorial Foundation (Protective Headgear for Bicycle Users) and which is clearly labeled by the manufacturer as satisfying such standards. Removal of a helmet cover, if required for that helmet to meet such safety standards, or the addition of elastic to the helmet strap shall constitute an impermissible alteration in violation of this Section. Any violation of this Section 5.9A(a) shall result in disqualification. John Itwould be one hard-a$$ed official who would consider a piece of tape to be an altering of a helmet. What about helmet number stickers? The rules are there to promote safety and fairness. That piece of tape compromises neither. Edited by the bear 2009-08-27 2:03 PM |
2009-08-27 2:02 PM in reply to: #2374602 |
Expert 1116 Thornton, CO | Subject: RE: Taping the vents on your helmet the bear - 2009-08-27 12:59 PM JC5066 - 2009-08-27 1:58 PM the bear - 2009-08-27 2:56 PM Daremo - 2009-08-27 1:53 PM Unless I am mistaken, it is illegal ........... not that people don't do it, just that they shouldn't be doing it ........ That's a new one on me. Do you have a specific rule that they're alledgedly breaking? I imagine by modifying the helmet is no long certified. By not being a certified helmet, would it not be illegal? I don't agree with either of those statements, especially when you're talking about a mere piece of tape. Technically the numbers you tape on would be "altering" the helmet as well then. |
2009-08-27 2:02 PM in reply to: #2374602 |
Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: Taping the vents on your helmet Aren't you the one that pointed out that my cutting of the bike number to make it fit on the bike better is illegal? Just as arbitrary of a modification. (Who says rules have to make sense?) |
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2009-08-27 2:03 PM in reply to: #2374511 |
over a barrier | Subject: RE: Taping the vents on your helmet Technically, putting a helmet bike sticker/number would be altering the helmet. I'm attending an officials clinic this weekend. I'll ask. |
2009-08-27 2:03 PM in reply to: #2374602 |
Expert 1060 Weymouth, MA | Subject: RE: Taping the vents on your helmet the bear - 2009-08-27 2:59 PM I agree, pulling off the built in visor would then be "altering". Further, if you can put sticker on the vents for the photogs then duct tape isn't any different.JC5066 - 2009-08-27 1:58 PM the bear - 2009-08-27 2:56 PM Daremo - 2009-08-27 1:53 PM Unless I am mistaken, it is illegal ........... not that people don't do it, just that they shouldn't be doing it ........ That's a new one on me. Do you have a specific rule that they're alledgedly breaking? I imagine by modifying the helmet is no long certified. By not being a certified helmet, would it not be illegal? I don't agree with either of those statements, especially when you're talking about a mere piece of tape. |
2009-08-27 2:04 PM in reply to: #2374615 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back | Subject: RE: Taping the vents on your helmet Daremo - 2009-08-27 2:02 PM Aren't you the one that pointed out that my cutting of the bike number to make it fit on the bike better is illegal? Just as arbitrary of a modification. (Who says rules have to make sense?) That is specifically addressed in the rules. A piece of tape on the helmet isn't. |
2009-08-27 2:05 PM in reply to: #2374615 |
over a barrier | Subject: RE: Taping the vents on your helmet Daremo - 2009-08-27 2:02 PM Aren't you the one that pointed out that my cutting of the bike number to make it fit on the bike better is illegal? Just as arbitrary of a modification. (Who says rules have to make sense?) You can alter the Card - just not the numbers themselves....Like making a Six look like an eight, turning a one into a seven, cutting off have your number etc. |
2009-08-27 2:06 PM in reply to: #2374616 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back | Subject: RE: Taping the vents on your helmet running2far - 2009-08-27 2:03 PM Technically, putting a helmet bike sticker/number would be altering the helmet. I'm attending an officials clinic this weekend. I'll ask. If nothing else, the one thing you should learn at this clinic is how to use common sense in the interpretation of the rules. I would bet good money that no one there will tell you that this is a penalizeable (?) infraction of the rules. Edited by the bear 2009-08-27 2:07 PM |
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2009-08-27 2:08 PM in reply to: #2374511 |
Veteran 1097 Elizabethtown, KY | Subject: RE: Taping the vents on your helmet If I put a tablecloth on a table, am I altering the table? |
2009-08-27 2:08 PM in reply to: #2374616 |
Elite 4048 Gilbert, Az. | Subject: RE: Taping the vents on your helmet running2far - 2009-08-27 12:03 PM Technically, putting a helmet bike sticker/number would be altering the helmet. I'm attending an officials clinic this weekend. I'll ask. Technically, yes. But, it does not alter it in regards to function. Taping over the vents improves the performance of the helmet by increasing the aerodynamics of said helmet. I sent an email to Charlie Crawford asking, so we'll see what he says as well. John |
2009-08-27 2:10 PM in reply to: #2374630 |
Elite 4048 Gilbert, Az. | Subject: RE: Taping the vents on your helmet the bear - 2009-08-27 12:06 PM running2far - 2009-08-27 2:03 PM Technically, putting a helmet bike sticker/number would be altering the helmet. I'm attending an officials clinic this weekend. I'll ask. If nothing else, the one thing you should learn at this clinic is how to use common sense in the interpretation of the rules. I would bet good money that no one there will tell you that this is a penalizeable punishable (?) infraction of the rules. Fixed that fer ya. John |
2009-08-27 2:26 PM in reply to: #2374511 |
Member 313 Ventura County, California | Subject: RE: Taping the vents on your helmet How about just shrink wrapping your helmet? If an official asks, just say it's new and you forgot to take the wrapper off. Shrink wrap would probably offer a smoother surface than multiple pieces of tape. |
2009-08-27 2:30 PM in reply to: #2374640 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back | Subject: RE: Taping the vents on your helmet tkd.teacher - 2009-08-27 2:08 PM running2far - 2009-08-27 12:03 PM Technically, putting a helmet bike sticker/number would be altering the helmet. I'm attending an officials clinic this weekend. I'll ask. Technically, yes. But, it does not alter it in regards to function. Taping over the vents improves the performance of the helmet by increasing the aerodynamics of said helmet. I sent an email to Charlie Crawford asking, so we'll see what he says as well. John Last time I emailed Charlie Crawford with a question, he telephoned me within fifteen minutes with an answer. Incredibly responsive. |
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2009-08-27 2:39 PM in reply to: #2374511 |
Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: Taping the vents on your helmet I know for a fact at one race I did last year that the officials were checking aero helmets not only to make sure they are approved for use in the states but to also make sure people had not taped off the cavity that is in the back (which in the Tour with the new Giro helmet it was a pre-made enclosure which gets around that). |
2009-08-27 2:39 PM in reply to: #2374637 |
New user 476 | Subject: RE: Taping the vents on your helmet roch1009 - 2009-08-27 3:08 PM If I put a tablecloth on a table, am I altering the table? Yes you are. If it's cloth table, a playing card would no long slide easily across the table. It's all a matter of perspective. |
2009-08-27 2:42 PM in reply to: #2374741 |
Elite 4048 Gilbert, Az. | Subject: RE: Taping the vents on your helmet Daremo - 2009-08-27 12:39 PM I know for a fact at one race I did last year that the officials were checking aero helmets not only to make sure they are approved for use in the states but to also make sure people had not taped off the cavity that is in the back (which in the Tour with the new Giro helmet it was a pre-made enclosure which gets around that). I remember something about that last year, oddly enough. Must have been on ST. John |
2009-08-27 2:49 PM in reply to: #2374742 |
Veteran 1097 Elizabethtown, KY | Subject: RE: Taping the vents on your helmet JC5066 - 2009-08-27 3:39 PM roch1009 - 2009-08-27 3:08 PM If I put a tablecloth on a table, am I altering the table? Yes you are. If it's cloth table, a playing card would no long slide easily across the table. It's all a matter of perspective. And yours is different from mine, even if you had to say it twice. |
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