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2013-09-26 8:18 PM

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Subject: Filibuster. Really?
I don't get it. Isn't it political equivalent to a seven year old clapping his hands over his ears and yelling "Nanana. I can't hear you!" ?

Regardless of the issue, does a filibuster ever make anything BETTER?


2013-09-26 8:27 PM
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Originally posted by pga_mike I don't get it. Isn't it political equivalent to a seven year old clapping his hands over his ears and yelling "Nanana. I can't hear you!" ? Regardless of the issue, does a filibuster ever make anything BETTER?

I agree they seem a little silly, but they do get people talking about something that wouldn't even get a mention on the news cycle otherwise.
It's also not hard to be shocked when one party jams a law as big as the ACA down the oppositions throat, that the other guys are going to try and throw wrenches into it at every possible chance.

It sucks that our lawmakers on both sides cannot come together for anything in the form of a compromise, so it's all about procedural this or procedural that to jam laws through.  It just turns it into a nightmare for us in the long run.

 

2013-09-26 9:29 PM
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Don't you think it is funny that Cruz was reading "Green Eggs and Ham" which is essentially the story of someone who claims they don't like something even though they have never tried it.  And after they have tried it, they loved it.  I think he missed the meaning. 
2013-09-26 11:11 PM
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What I think is Hysterical is that Ted Cruz in one day spent more time talking about the ACA than all the Democrats in the House and Senate prior to it getting voted on when they shoved this job killing POS down the American peoples throats.

2013-09-27 6:01 AM
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What I think is Hysterical is that Ted Cruz in one day spent more time talking about the ACA than all the Democrats in the House and Senate prior to it getting voted on when they shoved this job killing POS down the American peoples throats.




I find it interesting that those same people voted themselves exempt from something they say everyone should be happy to be part of.

2013-09-27 7:44 AM
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I agree they should be apart of the aca but then again aren't they basically? They have medical for being in government. A Really good one apparently.

I also think its funny that Cruz "Filibustered" it. He did not delay the vote and in the end he voted for what he was Filibustering.


2013-09-27 7:45 AM
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What I think is Hysterical is that Ted Cruz in one day spent more time talking about the ACA than all the Democrats in the House and Senate prior to it getting voted on when they shoved this job killing POS down the American peoples throats.

I find it interesting that those same people voted themselves exempt from something they say everyone should be happy to be part of.

The rubber is really starting to hit the road on this law.  My facebook was lighting up last night because a couple people received their new insurance coverage and rates for next year.  Lets just say they weren't too pleased and it was no where near what they were "promised".

2013-09-27 7:51 AM
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Originally posted by chirunner134 I agree they should be apart of the aca but then again aren't they basically? They have medical for being in government. A Really good one apparently. I also think its funny that Cruz "Filibustered" it. He did not delay the vote and in the end he voted for what he was Filibustering.

Congress has access to the same healthcare plans that Federal Employees have access to.  They basically get a choice to which plan they use and have a certain amount subsidized by the government.  So essentially they have the same thing anyone working at a larger corporation would have.  So, it throws a little more weight behind them not wanting to go to the exchanges, because they recognize the plans won't be as good.

I honestly think this Filibuster and what the Republicans are doing is nothing more than political gamesmanship.  The ACA in all appearances is going to be a 10 ton anchor tied to the Democrats the next election.  I don't care how much hopey changey stuff they throw out there, if they force every uninformed voter to have to pay hundreds of dollars out of pocket per month for something they don't even want, they're not getting that vote.  Then top it off with their hours being cut to under 30 for good measure.

2013-09-27 9:16 AM
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Tony if it goes as bad as that you are right it will cost them votes. On the other hand I am sure it will gain them vote by people who finally got what they wanted. If the doom and gloom is as bad as you sad I think it will definitely hurt them.

making all employee going to 29 hours is hurt those working but also going to hurt the companies unless they have that many people waiting in the wings for jobs. Even then it will mean more people will be working not less. Those who been trying to work at those places may actually get working which is good. Plus maybe it will get all these people who work there to leave because they should not be working there anyways right?
2013-09-27 9:23 AM
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I think the only time a filibuster can be effective is when there is a deadline looming and the filibuster causes it to be missed. Similar to Wendy Davis in Texas causingthem to hold the vote too late in the night so it wasn't valid and then them having to call a special session to pass the law later. Otherwise it seems they just sit there and wait for you to finish.

I give Cruz more credit for that than the pathetic members who merely state their intention to filibuster.
2013-09-27 9:30 AM
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Originally posted by chirunner134


I also think its funny that Cruz "Filibustered" it. He did not delay the vote and in the end he voted for what he was Filibustering.


On the other hand he brought more press to expose the health care bit than possibly has ever been brought to it previously and has made many more people aware of it than ever has been before.

Not all chess moves are for the here/now. Some are just setting up, appear silly at the time, but are part of a larger picture that won't take place for a while.



2013-09-27 9:36 AM
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I wonder if you need a photo ID to participate.

2013-09-27 9:38 AM
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I do agree I like having to actually do it rather than just saying I want too do it and not having to do the work. I think filibuster should be special and not just hey we want it all the time.

If ACA fails and he wants to run for president he can say "See what I did. I talked 21 hours against it. I tried to stop it. One man alone against them all." Even though he really did not do anything other than try to get people's attention. not sure how much that happened beyond people who pay attention a lot too it anyways.
2013-09-27 10:47 AM
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Originally posted by chirunner134 Tony if it goes as bad as that you are right it will cost them votes. On the other hand I am sure it will gain them vote by people who finally got what they wanted. If the doom and gloom is as bad as you sad I think it will definitely hurt them. making all employee going to 29 hours is hurt those working but also going to hurt the companies unless they have that many people waiting in the wings for jobs. Even then it will mean more people will be working not less. Those who been trying to work at those places may actually get working which is good. Plus maybe it will get all these people who work there to leave because they should not be working there anyways right?

I'm curious how it will all pan out.  Obviously there is a lot of "doom and gloom" out there, but there's no question it will help some people and it will hurt others.  It just depends a lot on how those ratios pan out.  The group I'm watching is the young people because it's a key demographic for the Dems and ACA is mandating they buy insurance or pay a fine.  I would speculate that most of them are just expecting free healthcare, and very few of them want it forced down their throat.

2013-09-27 10:49 AM
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As a young person I currently love Obamacare because i get to stay on my parents for a while.
2013-09-27 10:55 AM
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Originally posted by dmiller5 As a young person I currently love Obamacare because i get to stay on my parents for a while.

I'm a huge opponent of the ACA, but I absolutely agree there are some very good things in it.  My oldest is in college and I love that he can stay on our insurance.  I think the standalone coverage would be ~$300/mo. for him from the college, but as an additional dependent, I think he's about $50/mo. on ours.

I think even if it implodes and the Repubs take everything back there will be several pieces of the legislation like this that stay in effect because they just make sense and don't add a lot to the cost.



2013-09-27 10:59 AM
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As a young person I currently love Obamacare because i get to stay on my parents for a while.


My son joined the Army at 18 and was fully covered by his own insurance.
I was not allowed to take him off mine, and had to continue to pay for him, until he was 26.

2013-09-27 11:03 AM
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Originally posted by DanielG
Originally posted by dmiller5 As a young person I currently love Obamacare because i get to stay on my parents for a while.
My son joined the Army at 18 and was fully covered by his own insurance. I was not allowed to take him off mine, and had to continue to pay for him, until he was 26.

Well I'm not sure why you're saying that because it is not mandated in the law.

ETA: The law hasn't been in effect for 8 years so clearly your statement cannot be true.



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2013-09-27 11:13 AM
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Originally posted by DanielG
Originally posted by dmiller5 As a young person I currently love Obamacare because i get to stay on my parents for a while.
My son joined the Army at 18 and was fully covered by his own insurance. I was not allowed to take him off mine, and had to continue to pay for him, until he was 26.

Well I'm not sure why you're saying that because it is not mandated in the law.

ETA: The law hasn't been in effect for 8 years so clearly your statement cannot be true.




It's really a shame when a person feel the need to jump into topics and fall flat.

I do not see where I said the law mandated anything nor do I see where I said my son was 26. Perhaps reading closer and not making assumptions is in order.

(edit) I said nothing about the law mandating and my son turns 25 this year.



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2013-09-27 11:16 AM
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Originally posted by DanielG
Originally posted by dmiller5

Originally posted by DanielG
Originally posted by dmiller5 As a young person I currently love Obamacare because i get to stay on my parents for a while.
My son joined the Army at 18 and was fully covered by his own insurance. I was not allowed to take him off mine, and had to continue to pay for him, until he was 26.

Well I'm not sure why you're saying that because it is not mandated in the law.

ETA: The law hasn't been in effect for 8 years so clearly your statement cannot be true.

It's really a shame when a person feel the need to jump into topics and fall flat. I do not see where I said the law mandated anything nor do I see where I said my son was 26. Perhaps reading closer and not making assumptions is in order. (edit) I said nothing about the law mandating and my son turns 25 this year.

how about right there in the bolded part.

Saying you were not allowed to take him off, while critisizing legislation implies that the reason you were not allowed to take him off was because of the legislation.

You had to pay for him until he was 26. Past tense. That sentence says that you paid for him until he turned 26. I'm not making things up, thats what it says in english.

2013-09-27 11:21 AM
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In the past you were covered to 24 and only if you were in school full time. At 24 you were considered independent student. You were free from there college responsibility but also free from there health insurance. that is why when I turned 24 I could go back to school but during the summer I had to go back to campus for healthcare since I could not afford paying out of pocket to a local doctor.


2013-09-27 11:25 AM
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Originally posted by dmiller5

Originally posted by DanielG
Originally posted by dmiller5

Originally posted by DanielG
Originally posted by dmiller5 As a young person I currently love Obamacare because i get to stay on my parents for a while.
My son joined the Army at 18 and was fully covered by his own insurance. I was not allowed to take him off mine, and had to continue to pay for him, until he was 26.

Well I'm not sure why you're saying that because it is not mandated in the law.

ETA: The law hasn't been in effect for 8 years so clearly your statement cannot be true.

It's really a shame when a person feel the need to jump into topics and fall flat. I do not see where I said the law mandated anything nor do I see where I said my son was 26. Perhaps reading closer and not making assumptions is in order. (edit) I said nothing about the law mandating and my son turns 25 this year.

how about right there in the bolded part.

Saying you were not allowed to take him off, while critisizing legislation implies that the reason you were not allowed to take him off was because of the legislation.

You had to pay for him until he was 26. Past tense. That sentence says that you paid for him until he turned 26. I'm not making things up, thats what it says in english.




Really is a shame.
Perhaps taking a debate class would help.

2013-09-27 11:27 AM
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Originally posted by dmiller5
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Originally posted by dmiller5

Originally posted by DanielG
Originally posted by dmiller5 As a young person I currently love Obamacare because i get to stay on my parents for a while.
My son joined the Army at 18 and was fully covered by his own insurance. I was not allowed to take him off mine, and had to continue to pay for him, until he was 26.

Well I'm not sure why you're saying that because it is not mandated in the law.

ETA: The law hasn't been in effect for 8 years so clearly your statement cannot be true.

It's really a shame when a person feel the need to jump into topics and fall flat. I do not see where I said the law mandated anything nor do I see where I said my son was 26. Perhaps reading closer and not making assumptions is in order. (edit) I said nothing about the law mandating and my son turns 25 this year.

how about right there in the bolded part.

Saying you were not allowed to take him off, while critisizing legislation implies that the reason you were not allowed to take him off was because of the legislation.

You had to pay for him until he was 26. Past tense. That sentence says that you paid for him until he turned 26. I'm not making things up, thats what it says in english.

Really is a shame. Perhaps taking a debate class would help.

perhaps learning english would help. sorry if I called you out on your BS. Don't argue against a law by making up hardships that it has "inflicted" upon you.

2013-09-27 11:34 AM
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Originally posted by dmiller5

Originally posted by DanielG
Originally posted by dmiller5
Originally posted by DanielG
Originally posted by dmiller5

Originally posted by DanielG
Originally posted by dmiller5 As a young person I currently love Obamacare because i get to stay on my parents for a while.
My son joined the Army at 18 and was fully covered by his own insurance. I was not allowed to take him off mine, and had to continue to pay for him, until he was 26.

Well I'm not sure why you're saying that because it is not mandated in the law.

ETA: The law hasn't been in effect for 8 years so clearly your statement cannot be true.

It's really a shame when a person feel the need to jump into topics and fall flat. I do not see where I said the law mandated anything nor do I see where I said my son was 26. Perhaps reading closer and not making assumptions is in order. (edit) I said nothing about the law mandating and my son turns 25 this year.

how about right there in the bolded part.

Saying you were not allowed to take him off, while critisizing legislation implies that the reason you were not allowed to take him off was because of the legislation.

You had to pay for him until he was 26. Past tense. That sentence says that you paid for him until he turned 26. I'm not making things up, thats what it says in english.

Really is a shame. Perhaps taking a debate class would help.

perhaps learning english would help. sorry if I called you out on your BS. Don't argue against a law by making up hardships that it has "inflicted" upon you.




WTF?

If you call your insurance company and they say

We cannot take your son off your policy until he was 26...

Never mind, it's not worth the effort. How completely and utterly sad.

Now, back to the actual thread topic. The filibuster.

2013-09-27 11:36 AM
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if it isn't mandated in the law, wouldn't that make the problem with your insurance company and not the law.

 

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