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2005-02-17 5:36 PM

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Subject: A little gripe
I had lunch with a long-time friend yesterday. I was telling him about my triathlon training and how much I was enjoying it. He said something about running a marathon and I said "Oh no, I'm not running that far. I'm starting with Sprint Tri's. Swim around half mile, run 3 miles, cycle 6-10 miles." He says "Oh! I thought you were doing much more!" I explained I wasn't training for Ironman, that this was my first triathlon. His reaction was such that it suggested he thought a sprint tri was easy-peasy, no big deal.

When's the last time he swam half a mile? In the ocean. Against the tide.

Grrrrrrrrr...

Ok, now I got if off my chest and it's beer thirty. I'm outtie.


2005-02-17 6:32 PM
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Agreed..... first person I told I was doing a triathlon (besides my wife), "but it's so far, it's got a marathon, and a long swim and a .....

"Oh, not that one.  Hmm, that's nice too"

Or my sister in law when I said I trained probably an hour a day.  "Is that all?"

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

2005-02-17 6:55 PM
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Oh it doesn't matter if you are doing an IM. I came home from a 6 hour bike ride and my mom was over at my house. She said "oh great your back. Will you stain my deck (or something like that)?" I said "Mom, I'm tired I'll do that tomorrow" She said "Why, you were just out playing on your bike"

Oh, moms
2005-02-17 7:04 PM
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LOL! Playing on your bike.....

On the opposite end of the spectrum, I have a friend who runs 10 milers all the time and she still thinks I'm the ULTIMATE STUD (think Monster Truck commercial voice) for doing a tri. She thinks even a sprint is on a par with a marathon. It's really embarrassing when she has to point out to people that I do triathlons and wow, isn't that amazing. I have to do the "it's only a sprint" think because she makes it sound like IMs....

2005-02-17 7:34 PM
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I have a friend who's a diehard triathlete tell me I was nuts when training for my first marathon and that they can't fathom running 26.2 miles. Of course now they are training for their first Ironman.

Now that I'm training for my first tri, I think a tri is more challenging but that's just me, but I love the challenge. Regardless, some of my friends who are non-athletic think I'm still off my rocker whether I'm doing a tri or a marathon so I hear it all the time. It is nice to come to work and have people ask me how far I went whether it is my bike or on a run. I love to see the expressions on their face.
2005-02-18 10:27 AM
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Subject: RE: A little gripe
You know, I've actually run into "triathlon snobs"! I know someone, not an elite mind you, that turns up her nose at sprint distances. If its not at least half IM its nothing, a waste of time. THat really surprised me!


2005-02-18 12:21 PM
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I do this a lot to myself lately where I think well...I am only training for Sprint...it is only 2 hours...but then I think of that Lance quote - The what are you on...my bike six hours a day...

I may only be on my bike, running, in the pool or at the gym for an hour but that is a heck of a lot more than most people do on a daily basis. I have something I am working and acheiving for so whenever I get down on myself or someone else does...I remind myself that my training isn't about them...it is about me and acheiving my goals and making my dreams come true...and knowing while they sit at home on the couch...I am outside enjoying myself!
2005-02-18 12:31 PM
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I have generally positive reactions - mostly comes I'm a big gal and when I tell people I do triathlons they are so AMAZED that someone my size is doing this. One time I was in a run race and I'm a BOPer and people kept running past me telling me good job, etc., and I know they were trying to be nice but after a while I think I got an idea of how developmentally disabled people feel when people are trying to be nice to them but keep incessentantly talking down to them like they're an idiot. It's like hey, I know I'm slow and all and I really don't need your pity!

But then I have to calm my evil twin down and realize it's just my own baggage. But I tell you when I cross the finish line of my 1/2 IM I don't care what people are saying to me or doing or if they look at me like I'm the biggest idiot in the world, I'll have a t-shirt that says 1/2IM on it and I won't take it off for a week!

2005-02-18 1:02 PM
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infosteward - 2005-02-18 12:31 PM

One time I was in a run race and I'm a BOPer and people kept running past me telling me good job, etc., and I know they were trying to be nice but after a while I think I got an idea of how developmentally disabled people feel when people are trying to be nice to them but keep incessentantly talking down to them like they're an idiot.



You know, it's so funny how everybody interprets things differently. My first 5k was a Marine Corps sponsored one, and talk about intimidating to have a group of Marines starting behind you. And I run slowly now...then I couldn't even run the whole way. When they ran past me they were all saying "good job, keep it up, looking good" and I was floating on air. At the end of the race they were all standing around cheering on the stragglers, and took turns running back to pace the last folks (like myself) to the finish line. I even got my own personal cadence called. Sure they were having some fun with the slow people, but it was entirely good natured and very encouraging.

In my past life, I would've gotten so angry I probably would've been an a$$ to the guy pacing me, because I was so hung up on how other people saw me and I would've totally taken it as condescending.

I'm not picking on you, infosteward, just saying that it's funny how we can see the exact same situation in such drastically different ways. My evil twin needs a lot of hitting over the head. :P

To join in the griping -- my SO's workout partner keeps saying "How far is a 5k again?" and "Aw, I could run 5 miles, easy" (my current long run is 5.2). I just want to hit him it makes me so mad...he can barely do 20 minutes on the elliptical without turning red and wanting to die. I don't keep saying "How heavy is that barbell again? Aw...that's nothin, I could lift that." If you're not gonna support me, at least don't belittle me. Accept that what I do is different and don't make it into a "that's easy" or "that's nothing" type thing when we both know you're full of...it. From anybody else I think it's funny. From a fellow gym rat, I find it infuriating.

Rant done. Back to work.
2005-02-18 1:11 PM
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Well, I guess it gripes me out because of my perception of it. I'm a highly competitive person, I'm smart, intelligent and very independent. And I know people are saying Good Job because they think I NEED it. They don't say "Good Job," to the person that's winning the race! I mean they're not giving the high five of inspiration a skinny chic in tight pants! I'm not an idiot. I know why they're doing it. When I first started it was really great. But I'm racing now and not just to finish anymore. So I find it a bit irritating. You interpret your way and that's great and I'll interpret it my way and it's all good.

2005-02-18 1:31 PM
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I'm really, really not trying to pick a fight with you. I totally see where you're coming from. Really. It was just an observation how different we are even in our own minds, what you wrote made me think about how I would've seen it before and how I see it now, and how wierd it is that one person can be so diametrically opposed in their own head.

Peace.


2005-02-18 1:34 PM
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infosteward - 2005-02-18 11:11 AM

Well, I guess it gripes me out because of my perception of it. I'm a highly competitive person, I'm smart, intelligent and very independent. And I know people are saying Good Job because they think I NEED it. They don't say "Good Job," to the person that's winning the race! I mean they're not giving the high five of inspiration a skinny chic in tight pants! I'm not an idiot. I know why they're doing it. When I first started it was really great. But I'm racing now and not just to finish anymore. So I find it a bit irritating. You interpret your way and that's great and I'll interpret it my way and it's all good.

LOL! At Fall Chill, I said 'good job' to a couple of the elite/college athletes who looked really strong, because they really were doing a good job. I got some looks like "WTF?!?!" I decided that was probably not a common practice.

Honestly, I think what you're saying is true. I think that though we're the probably the same pace, a significantly overweight person might get more props than me, because I don't look as different from the other athletes there (I'm probably making myself sound more svelte than I am... LOL!). I think the Marines were probably being so encouraging because it was "their" race, so it's different. It's probably a tradition in that race to do that.

2005-02-18 1:47 PM
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i've heard the same thing...but strangely, the same people will freak out if i ask them if they want to go run a couple miles with me.

the one comment that has stuck with me though, was one i overheard after setting up transition at my first race. the event is a very laid back one. there are some riding tri bikes for the longer course, but most folks are casually racing. anyway, this guy was commenting to someone else that 'the only serious athletes are doing the long course.' while he was right in some ways, it also pissed me off. i still don't consider myself serious or an athlete, and certainly not a 'serious athlete', but i guess that's all relative - and his comment still made me angry. i had worked hard to get to even the casual short course, starting my tri training just 6 months after giving birth. i really wanted to tell this guy that, even though most of us don't win the race, we still deserve respect for being there.
2005-02-18 3:07 PM
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Subject: but from a person who MATTERS...

When I told my Ma I was training she said "Good for you. That's great!" That's all I need to hear.

Is it beer thirty yet?

2005-02-18 9:20 PM
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I raced a 10km run last weekend and as the winners ran past me going the other direction (ie towards the finish line) I was shouting at them as they passed "Well done!" "Unreal!" "Go go go!" I got the strangest looks - but you know what I am really inspired by those people - probably becuase I know what it takes to be that good - A LOT OF HARD WORK! It's funny I find the triathlon community more supportive than the straight running community.
Not sure what that is all about - anyway...
I think everyone here is amazing - every single one of you.
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2005-02-18 9:29 PM
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La Rakusillian - 2005-02-18 6:20 PM

I raced a 10km run last weekend and as the winners ran past me going the other direction (ie towards the finish line) I was shouting at them as they passed "Well done!" "Unreal!" "Go go go!" I got the strangest looks - but you know what I am really inspired by those people - probably becuase I know what it takes to be that good - A LOT OF HARD WORK! It's funny I find the triathlon community more supportive than the straight running community.
Not sure what that is all about - anyway...
I think everyone here is amazing - every single one of you.
M


I find that to be true of the cycling community as well. I guess triathletes are just cooler people



2005-02-18 10:10 PM
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I like it when people give me a good job or something to that affect. It gives me that little boost, like okay you can kick it up a notch. One time on a 10K though about 100 yards from the finish this guy and his girl come running up on my tail and the guy is like, "come on we can pass this guy". I had a full tank of gas, I had just been cruising, it pissed me off though so I had to give him the eye and take off in a final sprint. I think he was just trying to motivate his girl but you dont talk about someone like they are not there when you are about to pass them.
2005-02-18 10:32 PM
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I'm sorry Ovetta,
I am one of those "Good job" people. I say it to everybody I pass (all 3 of them).
2 years ago, in the first race of the season, I was about 100 yards from the finsh. There was this young girl who was just strolling along. She looked like she was happy to be finished. I started my kick and as I passed her I said "you are almost done, good job". The next thing you know we are neck and neck for the finish. When my wife saw the race photos she asked "who is the girl you are running with?" I was so mad because they framed us in the shot so it looked like we were together. I really wanted those pictures too
2005-02-21 1:31 AM
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From what I have heard less than 3% of the population of north america can run 3miles without stopping (sprint distance)
A good portion 'could' ride 12miles without stopping but about the same 3%could do it faster than a cruising pace of 12miles an hour.
As far as swimming a half mile..fahgedaboutit. About 1%. Maybe.
Add it all up. When people look down on the fact that all I do is sprints (and shorter) I tell them to get on the line with me. Talk is cheap show me what you got. More often than not am IM or even a half IMer gets left in the dust. Obviously the longer the event the better their chances..but still. Some people are suited to certain distances. Mine just happens to be sprints. I added up all the racing I did last summer and all told it was longer than an IM..and certainly a lot faster in total time than most IMers can go. I totally admire them for doing what they do but I hate that they look down upon anything less than what they do.
Stick with your program Renee..we'll see who gets the last laugh.
2005-02-21 9:12 AM
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Hmm, judging by the reactions that some of you see, I'm wondering if those people think that the Olympic Triathlon isn't a big deal.  After all, it's ONLY a 1.5k swim, 40k bike and 10k run.  It's not like the olympians are running a whole MARATHON.

Of course, I'd like to see some of those naysayers line up against someone like Susan Williams or Loretta Harrop.  I imagine some of the guys making those comments would be mighty humbled...

2005-02-21 10:11 AM
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autumn - 2005-02-18 1:47 PM
the one comment that has stuck with me though, was one i overheard after setting up transition at my first race. the event is a very laid back one. there are some riding tri bikes for the longer course, but most folks are casually racing. anyway, this guy was commenting to someone else that 'the only serious athletes are doing the long course.' while he was right in some ways, it also pissed me off. i still don't consider myself serious or an athlete, and certainly not a 'serious athlete', but i guess that's all relative - and his comment still made me angry. i had worked hard to get to even the casual short course, starting my tri training just 6 months after giving birth. i really wanted to tell this guy that, even though most of us don't win the race, we still deserve respect for being there.


I never want to be a "serious athlete." I do this for fun. I don't do this because I have to; I do it because I want to. I play with it. I play with myself (not like that) in the way that I motivate myself and get myself to go faster and farther. But, it's gotta be fun. I'm serious at work (mostly); I try to have fun everywhere else. I run because it reminds me of being a kid and helps me to forget my worries, cope with my stresses, and gives me the little daily victories that counter many of the failures that seem to plague me.

The comments above would have ticked me off, too. But, I also feel sorry for the guy who made it because it sounds like he's forgotten what it's like to play. Someone once asked: "Do we stop playing because we get old or do we get old because we stop playing?" I vote for the latter, therefore, I try to play each day.


2005-02-21 10:22 AM
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I read or heard that adults call playing "sport(s)" because they feel guilty about playing; we're socialized to believe we have to give up play when we become adults.

Hawkeye, I can relate to your comment about running because it makes you feel like a kid. During my cycling yesterday, as I was zooming down the hill, I stretched up (rather than hunkered down) and let out a "WWWOOOOOOOOO" because it reminded me of when I was a kid. I'm in this for the play; the rewards are a fit, strong body.

2005-02-21 2:15 PM
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PLAY! That is totally it. The only reason I'm still in this sport after all these years is because, to me, it is still playing. And if in our uptight lives we can't find time to sit up and let out a Wooooo every now and then...I figure our lives are pretty much over. Had a long time tri friend give up the sport when his bike got stolen a few years ago and man I miss him. Workouots were never so much about getting in the miles or doing something specific as they were about getting out and goofing off. I was in the best shape of my life back then because training was fun. Not something I had to do but wanted to do. I guess in the eyes of most I will never again be a serious triathlete. And for me that's just fine...I'll still be here when they've long since moved on to other verntures and I'm toeing the line with their kids. In sprints;-)
2005-02-22 4:03 AM
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"Do we stop playing because we get old or do we get old because we stop playing?" I vote for the latter, therefore, I try to play each day.


Hawkeye - that has got to be the coolest comment I have read in AGES AND AGES - thanks for reminding me!
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2005-02-22 8:17 AM
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amen to that! i totally agree. in fact, one of the reasons i picked tri was because i wanted an excuse to go swimming every week. i grew up next to lake superior and have been a fish all my life. at the end of laps, i still do a few sommersaults before i get out to shower. running is still hard work, but swimming and biking are a joy for me. thanks for the reminder. i did take what that guy said personally, and have been carrying it around with me, but i think your comment and perspective finally helped me shake it loose. thanks!
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