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2013-03-28 6:15 AM

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Norway proposes a fat tax on obese airline passengers. Personally I am strongly in favor of, having sat through more than enough overseas flights with someone spilling over into my already cramped seating area. Weigh in please (haha).


2013-03-28 6:21 AM
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The lawsuits if the US tried such things would offset any money the airlines collected for greater fuel use and would end up costing more than they could possibly charge over and beyond a standard ticket.

2013-03-28 6:27 AM
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Yes I could see how this would never fly in the US....
2013-03-28 6:31 AM
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Don't they require that some people purchase two seats anyway? 
2013-03-28 6:37 AM
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I see kind of a double standard here anyhow. If wealthy people can be forced to pay more taxes, bigger trucks can be forced to pay higher tolls or road taxes, why should obese people paying higher air fares be out of scope on a discriminatory basis ?
2013-03-28 6:40 AM
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This is from 2008, so it may or may not hold today:


http://www.smartertravel.com/travel-advice/some-airlines-may-make-o...
Here's a look at how a few different airlines deal with the "customer of size:"


Southwest: Passengers should plan on purchasing an extra seat or risk being asked to do so at the airport by staff. If the flight is not sold out, the passenger may claim a refund.


American: Passengers over 250 pounds should recognize that there may be limitations to the service that the airline can provide. However, it does not require that you purchase an extra seat automatically.


United: No policy whatsoever.


Midwest: Like Southwest, passengers are encouraged to know their needs in advance. If staff determine that two seats are required, the seat will be sold at the lowest possible fare, with a refund available if there is one or more open seats on the flight.


Air France: Passengers with "high body mass" may receive a 25 percent discount on an extra seat, knowing that if they choose to not buy the seat, they may risk not being able to fly.


JetBlue: You are required to buy a second seat, and there are no refunds.


Delta: The airline "works to accommodate" passengers with special needs. Upon request and availability, it will try to make sure the next seat is unoccupied. However, if the plane is full, you will most likely be asked to leave the flight and buy a second seat on the next available flight. (You can actually count on this being a fairly typical practice on most airlines.)



2013-03-28 6:49 AM
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Interesting. I never really looked at the policies. I would think that a tax in addition to having to buy an extra seat would be over the top.
2013-03-28 7:07 AM
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I don't know that a tax is the answer, just allow the airlines to price things so they don't lose money on large passengers.  It would suck if, as a business, I had to not only earn less because a certain customer cost me more fuel, but then that same customer also cost me the ability to sell another seat.  The amusement parks have a "practice seat" that you have to fit in to be able to ride the rides... the airlines should be able have something similar if you want to fly in a standard fare seat.  Bigger seats cost more.
2013-03-28 7:12 AM
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They have to pay for the extra seat so the airline is still selling the seat.
2013-03-28 7:35 AM
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My big thing is, and has always been, that if you are charging extra fees for baggage and specifically "overweight baggage" then why not weight people and there stuff, and charge by the pound? Airlines will claim all day long that more weight = more fuel consumption and that is why they charge for overweight baggage.  

At ~135 pounds I should be allowed to take 100+ pounds of luggage for free if the typical 250 pound American male can take 50 pounds for the same ticket price.

2013-03-28 7:43 AM
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In reality I think many airlines go by the if your rear fits between the two arm rests you're okay.  As a big guy I think they have already crossed the line of cramming too many people into too small of space.  I accept that flying is uncomfortable and compact myself into as small of footprint as possible, usually including rolling my shoulders forward with crossed arms for the duration of the flight.

What happens when the airlines shrink the seats another 2 inches so they can get one extra seat in across a big plane and more people fall into this category?  What is an appropriate limit?  

The same thing applies to long legs on many airlines, with extra charges for extra leg room.  Maybe they should have some extra space seats that are sold at a premium, but less than two tickets or a first class seat.     



2013-03-28 8:09 AM
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Sous - 2013-03-28 8:35 AM

My big thing is, and has always been, that if you are charging extra fees for baggage and specifically "overweight baggage" then why not weight people and there stuff, and charge by the pound? Airlines will claim all day long that more weight = more fuel consumption and that is why they charge for overweight baggage.  

At ~135 pounds I should be allowed to take 100+ pounds of luggage for free if the typical 250 pound American male can take 50 pounds for the same ticket price.

I wonder does it make a difference if the 250 lbs is on a 5'8' obese guy or a 6'4" Well muscled guy?

 

 

2013-03-28 8:23 AM
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k1200rsvt - 2013-03-28 7:43 AM

In reality I think many airlines go by the if your rear fits between the two arm rests you're okay.  As a big guy I think they have already crossed the line of cramming too many people into too small of space.  I accept that flying is uncomfortable and compact myself into as small of footprint as possible, usually including rolling my shoulders forward with crossed arms for the duration of the flight.

What happens when the airlines shrink the seats another 2 inches so they can get one extra seat in across a big plane and more people fall into this category?  What is an appropriate limit?  

The same thing applies to long legs on many airlines, with extra charges for extra leg room.  Maybe they should have some extra space seats that are sold at a premium, but less than two tickets or a first class seat.     

I usually book the escape doors rows over the wings, because they have a little more leg space.  Otherwise my legs are hitting the seat in front of me.  It is not a fun thing to fly for me after I hit 6'  tall and at 6'3" it really sucks.  Tuck my arms in and just feel uncomfortable for the entire flight.  I have flown since for over 40 years now, when Braniff Airlines was still in existance.  Pretty much since I was in junior high (middle school for you younger folk), I was too tall to fit in planes and it got worse as the seats got narrower and leg room went away.

Ok, for a lot of people, not so much for taller people.



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2013-03-28 8:35 AM
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Sous - 2013-03-28 7:35 AM

My big thing is, and has always been, that if you are charging extra fees for baggage and specifically "overweight baggage" then why not weight people and there stuff, and charge by the pound? Airlines will claim all day long that more weight = more fuel consumption and that is why they charge for overweight baggage.  

At ~135 pounds I should be allowed to take 100+ pounds of luggage for free if the typical 250 pound American male can take 50 pounds for the same ticket price.



Because SPACE is as much an issue for airlines as weight. Seats are limited. If a person takes up the space of two seats but only pays for one on a sold out flight, the airline is missing out on revenue.

Larger people can also present a nuisance to passengers around them, but whether the problem lies with people who are too big or seats that are too small is an open debate.


2013-03-28 9:05 AM
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trinnas - 2013-03-28 9:09 AM
Sous - 2013-03-28 8:35 AM

My big thing is, and has always been, that if you are charging extra fees for baggage and specifically "overweight baggage" then why not weight people and there stuff, and charge by the pound? Airlines will claim all day long that more weight = more fuel consumption and that is why they charge for overweight baggage.  

At ~135 pounds I should be allowed to take 100+ pounds of luggage for free if the typical 250 pound American male can take 50 pounds for the same ticket price.

I wonder does it make a difference if the 250 lbs is on a 5'8' obese guy or a 6'4" Well muscled guy?

 

 

I was just wondering the same thing. If the argument is the extra fuel to carry the weight, the airplane doesn't care if it is fat or muscle. And if it is the room taken up in the seat, then a person who weighs 200 pounds at 5'0" is taking up more room than the same weight on a person 5'8"

2013-03-28 9:55 AM
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Have a box for people just like they do for carry ons.  If you can shove all your fat or muscle in there, you're good to go.  Otherwise, that'll be an extra $100.



2013-03-28 12:47 PM
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When I checked in the other day with my daughter and our combined 165 pounds with 2 paid seats I was warned that they were going to charge more for our jogging stroller since it was more than 20 pounds.  It seemed a little unfair.

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2013-03-28 12:59 PM
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I have noticed that when people fly they always want to get on the plane as soon as possible so they can get a seat as close to the exit as they can. I guess so they can get off 2 minutes faster. I use to do this too until I was lucky enough to be chosen by an extremely large woman to be her seat buddy. It was the most uncomfortable flight I have ever been on. I told myself never again. I now wait to be one of the last people on board that way I get to pick who I sit by.



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2013-03-28 1:16 PM
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iruptacopula - 2013-03-28 12:59 PM

I have noticed that when people fly they always want to get on the plane as soon as possible so they can get a seat as close to the exit as they can. I guess so they can get off 2 minutes faster. I use to do this too until I was lucky enough to be chosen by an extremely large woman to be her seat buddy. It was the most uncomfortable flight I have ever been on. I told myself never again. I now wait to be one of the last people on board that way I get to pick who I sit by.

most airlines are assigned seating so the primary reason i see that so many hurry to get on the plane is to ensure the have room in the over-head compartment for their carry-on baggage.  the last people on the plane always have to get their bags checked if there is no more room.  that's just one more reason people who travel a lot like me value their priority satus.

i think if they could find a way to discreetly weigh people at check-in it would be easier to charge by weight.  throwing people on a scale or having them see if they can fit in a seat before boarding would be an airline's death sentence.  i'm assuming they would rather lose some money on overweight passengers than be that airline that embarrasses people at the airport.  that can't be good for business.

2013-03-28 1:24 PM
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laurentris - 2013-03-28 6:31 AM

Don't they require that some people purchase two seats anyway? 


Doesn't seem like they do anymore.

I really hate when I go to my seat and the arm rest is already raised up and the person is spilling into my seat. I paid for MY SEAT and I want it. But seriously, what do you do? Get up and embarrass the person and be THAT person? So I sit in half my seat and just wait for the flight to be over.

2013-03-28 1:28 PM
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Sous - 2013-03-28 7:35 AM

My big thing is, and has always been, that if you are charging extra fees for baggage and specifically "overweight baggage" then why not weight people and there stuff, and charge by the pound? Airlines will claim all day long that more weight = more fuel consumption and that is why they charge for overweight baggage.  

At ~135 pounds I should be allowed to take 100+ pounds of luggage for free if the typical 250 pound American male can take 50 pounds for the same ticket price.



That's how I think too! But it will never happen.

I wish we could pay per the pound. Put the person and the luggage on a the scale. You get up to X weight included in the price of the ticket. Then once you go over, you pay for each pound you are over. They do it with luggage. Just throw the people and luggage on the scale.

I would see Spirit Airlines taking a jab at this pricing structure. They already nickle and dime you to death on how many carry on's you can take (I had to hide my purse), the weight, drinks, etc.



2013-03-28 1:31 PM
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Sous - 2013-03-28 8:35 AM

My big thing is, and has always been, that if you are charging extra fees for baggage and specifically "overweight baggage" then why not weight people and there stuff, and charge by the pound? Airlines will claim all day long that more weight = more fuel consumption and that is why they charge for overweight baggage.  

At ~135 pounds I should be allowed to take 100+ pounds of luggage for free if the typical 250 pound American male can take 50 pounds for the same ticket price.

I wonder does it make a difference if the 250 lbs is on a 5'8' obese guy or a 6'4" Well muscled guy?

 

 

Honestly no, not to me.  If you're (the airlines, not you) are telling me that my 51 pound bag is going to cost $50 extra dollars because of the increased fuel usage than I should get a discount on my ticket because it will cost you less to fly me to Miami than the 250 pounder.

2013-03-28 1:57 PM
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laurentris - 2013-03-28 6:31 AM Don't they require that some people purchase two seats anyway? 
Doesn't seem like they do anymore. I really hate when I go to my seat and the arm rest is already raised up and the person is spilling into my seat. I paid for MY SEAT and I want it. But seriously, what do you do? Get up and embarrass the person and be THAT person? So I sit in half my seat and just wait for the flight to be over.

The time or two I've been in this situation, I gently ask the seatmate to help me put the armrest down.  When I'm the first one on (I flew a lot last year, so I get priority boarding now), I lower the armrest so it's down when the seatmate arrives.  I'll also say that one or two airlines require that the armrests be lowered along with the seatbacks raised and tray tables stowed, so in those situations, the onus is on the other passenger to squeeze into the allotted space. 

2013-03-28 2:06 PM
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KSH - 2013-03-28 2:24 PM
laurentris - 2013-03-28 6:31 AM Don't they require that some people purchase two seats anyway? 
Doesn't seem like they do anymore. I really hate when I go to my seat and the arm rest is already raised up and the person is spilling into my seat. I paid for MY SEAT and I want it. But seriously, what do you do? Get up and embarrass the person and be THAT person? So I sit in half my seat and just wait for the flight to be over.

In addition to not wanting to embarrass the person, you'll be the one holding up the flight and who wants the flight to take off late?

I fortunately haven't had it so bad where the arm rest is up but I would be pretty frustrated, especially on a long flight.

2013-03-28 2:11 PM
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If you can't fit into a half seat to accommodate your neighbor, you need to lose a few.

 

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