Presidential Election Poll (Who would you vote for NOW?)
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() This poll is intended to complement the other poll thread, in which we're trying to predict who America will vote for in November. The question here is simply: If YOU were voting today, who would you vote for? I don't want this to be a debate (because it's too general a topic to serve any useful purpose), so I'm not asking you to state why-- just WHO. It may be interesting to run a similar poll in a few weeks to see if anything changes significantly, just in our little CoJ world. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Sweet I'm 2nd so Gary Johnson has a chance! |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Where is none of the above? |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() powerman - 2012-08-15 10:08 AM Where is none of the above? Just as in a real election, voting "none of the above" doesn't in any way impact who wins so it's not a choice that's included. I know some people think voting that "none of the above" makes some grand statement, but in reality it only makes the same statement as those who are too lazy to vote at all. And you simply hand your voting power over in greater measure to those who DO vote. |
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Melon Presser ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Ummm ... the Green Party currently has ballot access to more electoral votes than the Libertarian Party does ... Gary Johnson's up there but where is Jill Stein? |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() TriAya - 2012-08-15 10:16 AM Ummm ... the Green Party currently has ballot access to more electoral votes than the Libertarian Party does ... Gary Johnson's up there but where is Jill Stein? Fair enough. Those who plan to vote for Jill Stein are welcome to post their preference as a "write-in". Sorry for the oversight. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() After reviewing candidates for early voting on the Republican Party ballot in my county, I've been inspired to leave the Republican party for the Libertarian party. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() scoobysdad - 2012-08-15 9:15 AM powerman - 2012-08-15 10:08 AM Where is none of the above? Just as in a real election, voting "none of the above" doesn't in any way impact who wins so it's not a choice that's included. I know some people think voting that "none of the above" makes some grand statement, but in reality it only makes the same statement as those who are too lazy to vote at all. And you simply hand your voting power over in greater measure to those who DO vote. Riiiight... because voting for two puppets put up by two parties that are running this country into the ground makes a much better "statement". Thanks for the gasoline... just put it with the rest of it. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() powerman - 2012-08-15 10:41 AM scoobysdad - 2012-08-15 9:15 AM powerman - 2012-08-15 10:08 AM Where is none of the above? Just as in a real election, voting "none of the above" doesn't in any way impact who wins so it's not a choice that's included. I know some people think voting that "none of the above" makes some grand statement, but in reality it only makes the same statement as those who are too lazy to vote at all. And you simply hand your voting power over in greater measure to those who DO vote. Riiiight... because voting for two puppets put up by two parties that are running this country into the ground makes a much better "statement". Thanks for the gasoline... just put it with the rest of it. If you want to work for and vote for the rise of a legitimate third party, fine, more power to you. Eventually I may even support you. But really? You think abstaining from voting makes any difference? And before you argue that voting for any presidential candidate makes no difference in the present system, I'll simply ask you to consider all the ways the specific person America chooses to put in the Oval Office wields considerable influence, from foreign relations to our military actions/inactions in places like Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Egypt, Somalia, Syria, Central Africa and various other places, the Cabinet heads he/she chooses to head up the various departments of government, the justices he/she chooses to interpret law on the Supreme Court and Federal courts, EPA policy and much, much more. All of these individual choices by that one person we call "The President" can have a very real, meaningful impact on our lives even if you believe, in the end, we're all just pawns in a system that provides "The Illusion of Choice". |
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![]() According to this the CPUSA is supporting the DNC in the 2012 Election, so I guess a vote for one is really a vote for the other it appears. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() scoobysdad - 2012-08-15 10:07 AM powerman - 2012-08-15 10:41 AM If you want to work for and vote for the rise of a legitimate third party, fine, more power to you. Eventually I may even support you. But really? You think abstaining from voting makes any difference? And before you argue that voting for any presidential candidate makes no difference in the present system, I'll simply ask you to consider all the ways the specific person America chooses to put in the Oval Office wields considerable influence, from foreign relations to our military actions/inactions in places like Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Egypt, Somalia, Syria, Central Africa and various other places, the Cabinet heads he/she chooses to head up the various departments of government, the justices he/she chooses to interpret law on the Supreme Court and Federal courts, EPA policy and much, much more. All of these individual choices by that one person we call "The President" can have a very real, meaningful impact on our lives even if you believe, in the end, we're all just pawns in a system that provides "The Illusion of Choice". scoobysdad - 2012-08-15 9:15 AM powerman - 2012-08-15 10:08 AM Where is none of the above? Just as in a real election, voting "none of the above" doesn't in any way impact who wins so it's not a choice that's included. I know some people think voting that "none of the above" makes some grand statement, but in reality it only makes the same statement as those who are too lazy to vote at all. And you simply hand your voting power over in greater measure to those who DO vote. Riiiight... because voting for two puppets put up by two parties that are running this country into the ground makes a much better "statement". Thanks for the gasoline... just put it with the rest of it. It's really not that hard to understand, I'm not trying to make any "statement". I refuse to vote for a candidate that I feel is running this country into the ground. It's pretty simple. I refuse to be a party to that. The Rebublican and Democratic parties are about nothing but the party. As bad as it was after Bush, they still refused to do anything to help this country. Now, as bad as it is after 4 years a of Obama, they refuse to do anything different. I refuse to give my consent to them to continue doing the same damn thing they have been doing. Third party is not an option. The Rs and Ds have rigged the money rules of the game. The American people have no say compared to the ones that have the money. The ones that have the money will continue to pour it into the Rs and Ds to buy what they want. The Rs and Ds will continue to do what ever is necessary to keep the money flowing. A third party has absolutely no chance what so ever. Because the only thing a third party can run on is to put an end to that game, and it will never happen without the flow of money they would be trying to stop. Oh, and you want to talk about influence.... you think as an informed voter you have any control over putting a guy in office that will actually do what you think they will??? Bush never ran on any of the things he did in office. Fiscal conservative my a$$. Bet you didn't see that coming. Obama has done nothing he actually said he was going to do... hell, he was going to end BOTH wars. Bush ended Iraq before he left office, and Obama INCREASED troop levels in Afganistan. Obama has done NOTHING to increase transperancy, or stop interpreting the Consitution how ever he sees fit just like the guy before him did that he railed against for two years. And you expect me to believe you as an educated voter can put a guy in office and tell me how he is going to act on forgein affairs, environment, the Constitution or anything else??? Feel free to continue to do how ever your heart guides you. I will do the same. The last ecconomic melt down did nothing to change the game. The only thing I know for sure is the only thing that will change things is another meltdown of some sort much worse. I'm sure it will be a real hoot. Edited by powerman 2012-08-15 9:11 PM |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() powerman - 2012-08-15 10:08 PM scoobysdad - 2012-08-15 10:07 AM powerman - 2012-08-15 10:41 AM If you want to work for and vote for the rise of a legitimate third party, fine, more power to you. Eventually I may even support you. But really? You think abstaining from voting makes any difference? And before you argue that voting for any presidential candidate makes no difference in the present system, I'll simply ask you to consider all the ways the specific person America chooses to put in the Oval Office wields considerable influence, from foreign relations to our military actions/inactions in places like Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Egypt, Somalia, Syria, Central Africa and various other places, the Cabinet heads he/she chooses to head up the various departments of government, the justices he/she chooses to interpret law on the Supreme Court and Federal courts, EPA policy and much, much more. All of these individual choices by that one person we call "The President" can have a very real, meaningful impact on our lives even if you believe, in the end, we're all just pawns in a system that provides "The Illusion of Choice". scoobysdad - 2012-08-15 9:15 AM powerman - 2012-08-15 10:08 AM Where is none of the above? Just as in a real election, voting "none of the above" doesn't in any way impact who wins so it's not a choice that's included. I know some people think voting that "none of the above" makes some grand statement, but in reality it only makes the same statement as those who are too lazy to vote at all. And you simply hand your voting power over in greater measure to those who DO vote. Riiiight... because voting for two puppets put up by two parties that are running this country into the ground makes a much better "statement". Thanks for the gasoline... just put it with the rest of it. It's really not that hard to understand, I'm not trying to make any "statement". I refuse to vote for a candidate that I feel is running this country into the ground. It's pretty simple. I refuse to be a party to that. The Rebublican and Democratic parties are about nothing but the party. As bad as it was after Bush, they still refused to do anything to help this country. Now, as bad as it is after 4 years a of Obama, they refuse to do anything different. I refuse to give my consent to them to continue doing the same damn thing they have been doing. Third party is not an option. The Rs and Ds have rigged the money rules of the game. The American people have no say compared to the ones that have the money. The ones that have the money will continue to pour it into the Rs and Ds to buy what they want. The Rs and Ds will continue to do what ever is necessary to keep the money flowing. A third party has absolutely no chance what so ever. Because the only thing a third party can run on is to put an end to that game, and it will never happen without the flow of money they would be trying to stop. Oh, and you want to talk about influence.... you think as an informed voter you have any control over putting a guy in office that will actually do what you think they will??? Bush never ran on any of the things he did in office. Fiscal conservative my a$$. Bet you didn't see that coming. Obama has done nothing he actually said he was going to do... hell, he was going to end BOTH wars. Bush ended Iraq before he left office, and Obama INCREASED troop levels in Afganistan. Obama has done NOTHING to increase transperancy, or stop interpreting the Consitution how ever he sees fit just like the guy before him did that he railed against for two years. And you expect me to believe you as an educated voter can put a guy in office and tell me how he is going to act on forgein affairs, environment, the Constitution or anything else??? Feel free to continue to do how ever your heart guides you. I will do the same. The last ecconomic melt down did nothing to change the game. The only thing I know for sure is the only thing that will change things is another meltdown of some sort much worse. I'm sure it will be a real hoot. Not trying to start trouble but don't you think it's this attitude that has contributed to the country ending up in the situation we're in now? Agree with their politics or not, "The Tea Party" originated as a grass roots movement with a platform and has been slowly creeping into the Republican party. The Republican establishment have been resistent to their ideas but with the selection of Paul Ryan as the VP candidate they've finally been embraced by the party. If that group sat back and said "we can't make a difference" the party would be completely different today. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() SCamp07 - 2012-08-16 6:05 AM powerman - 2012-08-15 10:08 PM scoobysdad - 2012-08-15 10:07 AM powerman - 2012-08-15 10:41 AM If you want to work for and vote for the rise of a legitimate third party, fine, more power to you. Eventually I may even support you. But really? You think abstaining from voting makes any difference? And before you argue that voting for any presidential candidate makes no difference in the present system, I'll simply ask you to consider all the ways the specific person America chooses to put in the Oval Office wields considerable influence, from foreign relations to our military actions/inactions in places like Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Egypt, Somalia, Syria, Central Africa and various other places, the Cabinet heads he/she chooses to head up the various departments of government, the justices he/she chooses to interpret law on the Supreme Court and Federal courts, EPA policy and much, much more. All of these individual choices by that one person we call "The President" can have a very real, meaningful impact on our lives even if you believe, in the end, we're all just pawns in a system that provides "The Illusion of Choice". scoobysdad - 2012-08-15 9:15 AM powerman - 2012-08-15 10:08 AM Where is none of the above? Just as in a real election, voting "none of the above" doesn't in any way impact who wins so it's not a choice that's included. I know some people think voting that "none of the above" makes some grand statement, but in reality it only makes the same statement as those who are too lazy to vote at all. And you simply hand your voting power over in greater measure to those who DO vote. Riiiight... because voting for two puppets put up by two parties that are running this country into the ground makes a much better "statement". Thanks for the gasoline... just put it with the rest of it. It's really not that hard to understand, I'm not trying to make any "statement". I refuse to vote for a candidate that I feel is running this country into the ground. It's pretty simple. I refuse to be a party to that. The Rebublican and Democratic parties are about nothing but the party. As bad as it was after Bush, they still refused to do anything to help this country. Now, as bad as it is after 4 years a of Obama, they refuse to do anything different. I refuse to give my consent to them to continue doing the same damn thing they have been doing. Third party is not an option. The Rs and Ds have rigged the money rules of the game. The American people have no say compared to the ones that have the money. The ones that have the money will continue to pour it into the Rs and Ds to buy what they want. The Rs and Ds will continue to do what ever is necessary to keep the money flowing. A third party has absolutely no chance what so ever. Because the only thing a third party can run on is to put an end to that game, and it will never happen without the flow of money they would be trying to stop. Oh, and you want to talk about influence.... you think as an informed voter you have any control over putting a guy in office that will actually do what you think they will??? Bush never ran on any of the things he did in office. Fiscal conservative my a$$. Bet you didn't see that coming. Obama has done nothing he actually said he was going to do... hell, he was going to end BOTH wars. Bush ended Iraq before he left office, and Obama INCREASED troop levels in Afganistan. Obama has done NOTHING to increase transperancy, or stop interpreting the Consitution how ever he sees fit just like the guy before him did that he railed against for two years. And you expect me to believe you as an educated voter can put a guy in office and tell me how he is going to act on forgein affairs, environment, the Constitution or anything else??? Feel free to continue to do how ever your heart guides you. I will do the same. The last ecconomic melt down did nothing to change the game. The only thing I know for sure is the only thing that will change things is another meltdown of some sort much worse. I'm sure it will be a real hoot. Not trying to start trouble but don't you think it's this attitude that has contributed to the country ending up in the situation we're in now? Agree with their politics or not, "The Tea Party" originated as a grass roots movement with a platform and has been slowly creeping into the Republican party. The Republican establishment have been resistent to their ideas but with the selection of Paul Ryan as the VP candidate they've finally been embraced by the party. If that group sat back and said "we can't make a difference" the party would be completely different today. The Tea Party is being assimilated into the political scene just like the Republican's and Democrats. In order to get elected you have raise ten's of millions of dollars. You can't get that without trading favors. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() SCamp07 - 2012-08-16 6:05 AM Not trying to start trouble but don't you think it's this attitude that has contributed to the country ending up in the situation we're in now? Agree with their politics or not, "The Tea Party" originated as a grass roots movement with a platform and has been slowly creeping into the Republican party. The Republican establishment have been resistent to their ideas but with the selection of Paul Ryan as the VP candidate they've finally been embraced by the party. If that group sat back and said "we can't make a difference" the party would be completely different today. Ya... the TEA party has been taken over by the Republican party. It has nothing to do with what it started as. It isn't about little ole me not being able to do anything... it is about the American public not waking up to demand better. The numbers simply are not there. There should have been heads on a platter over Iraq, but it was all for the greater good. Where was the outcry when Bush handed a blank check to Congress for 8 years? There should have been a revolt over taking the reigns off Wall Street, but every one was too busy buying things they could not afford. There should have been a whole prison filled with the housing collapse, there should have been pitchforks on the WH lawn when Obama filled his cabinet with Goldman Sachs executives. A trillion dollars out the window. Partisan politics before raising the debt ceiling. A legislature that can't and won't pass a budget until after the next election. And now here we are in another election. Yet same **** different year. Attack ads, smear campaigns, personal insults while not one single issue is earnestly discussed. Meanwhile the American public joins right in with viral e-mails and debates on what a racist Biden is and how Romney has not paid taxes... Oh ya and he killed some woman. And the American public eats it up. Until the American electorate has had enough, we will continue to get the same results from doing the same thing. |
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![]() | ![]() JoshR - 2012-08-16 8:28 AM The Tea Party is being assimilated into the political scene just like the Republican's and Democrats. In order to get elected you have raise ten's of millions of dollars. You can't get that without trading favors. I don't think it was ever truly a 3rd party. They are just the far-right of the Republican party. Some Libertarians played with the idea of Tea Party-ness, but ultimately went back to their limbo. Occupy Wall Street is just the far-left of the Democrat Party. Libertarians wanted to see them break-off as well. True Libertarians are a people caught on both sides of the divide. Legal Drugs, Prostitution, Gambling, Low Taxes, No Military, Pro-Abortion. What did I miss. You don't tend to meet a Liberal Republican or a Conservative Democrat. But you meet plenty of Liberal/Conservative Libertarians. |
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I know how my state will go in the election anyway so it isn't a vote thrown away. |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() GomesBolt - 2012-08-16 8:32 AM JoshR - 2012-08-16 8:28 AM The Tea Party is being assimilated into the political scene just like the Republican's and Democrats. In order to get elected you have raise ten's of millions of dollars. You can't get that without trading favors. I don't think it was ever truly a 3rd party. They are just the far-right of the Republican party. Some Libertarians played with the idea of Tea Party-ness, but ultimately went back to their limbo. Occupy Wall Street is just the far-left of the Democrat Party. Libertarians wanted to see them break-off as well. True Libertarians are a people caught on both sides of the divide. Legal Drugs, Prostitution, Gambling, Low Taxes, No Military, Pro-Abortion. What did I miss. You don't tend to meet a Liberal Republican or a Conservative Democrat. But you meet plenty of Liberal/Conservative Libertarians.
The libertarian party has no official stance on abortion. They believe in a standing army but not in the bloated way it is today. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() powerman - 2012-08-15 9:08 PM scoobysdad - 2012-08-15 10:07 AM powerman - 2012-08-15 10:41 AM If you want to work for and vote for the rise of a legitimate third party, fine, more power to you. Eventually I may even support you. But really? You think abstaining from voting makes any difference? And before you argue that voting for any presidential candidate makes no difference in the present system, I'll simply ask you to consider all the ways the specific person America chooses to put in the Oval Office wields considerable influence, from foreign relations to our military actions/inactions in places like Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Egypt, Somalia, Syria, Central Africa and various other places, the Cabinet heads he/she chooses to head up the various departments of government, the justices he/she chooses to interpret law on the Supreme Court and Federal courts, EPA policy and much, much more. All of these individual choices by that one person we call "The President" can have a very real, meaningful impact on our lives even if you believe, in the end, we're all just pawns in a system that provides "The Illusion of Choice". scoobysdad - 2012-08-15 9:15 AM powerman - 2012-08-15 10:08 AM Where is none of the above? Just as in a real election, voting "none of the above" doesn't in any way impact who wins so it's not a choice that's included. I know some people think voting that "none of the above" makes some grand statement, but in reality it only makes the same statement as those who are too lazy to vote at all. And you simply hand your voting power over in greater measure to those who DO vote. Riiiight... because voting for two puppets put up by two parties that are running this country into the ground makes a much better "statement". Thanks for the gasoline... just put it with the rest of it. It's really not that hard to understand, I'm not trying to make any "statement". I refuse to vote for a candidate that I feel is running this country into the ground. It's pretty simple. I refuse to be a party to that. The Rebublican and Democratic parties are about nothing but the party. As bad as it was after Bush, they still refused to do anything to help this country. Now, as bad as it is after 4 years a of Obama, they refuse to do anything different. I refuse to give my consent to them to continue doing the same damn thing they have been doing. Third party is not an option. The Rs and Ds have rigged the money rules of the game. The American people have no say compared to the ones that have the money. The ones that have the money will continue to pour it into the Rs and Ds to buy what they want. The Rs and Ds will continue to do what ever is necessary to keep the money flowing. A third party has absolutely no chance what so ever. Because the only thing a third party can run on is to put an end to that game, and it will never happen without the flow of money they would be trying to stop. Oh, and you want to talk about influence.... you think as an informed voter you have any control over putting a guy in office that will actually do what you think they will??? Bush never ran on any of the things he did in office. Fiscal conservative my a$$. Bet you didn't see that coming. Obama has done nothing he actually said he was going to do... hell, he was going to end BOTH wars. Bush ended Iraq before he left office, and Obama INCREASED troop levels in Afganistan. Obama has done NOTHING to increase transperancy, or stop interpreting the Consitution how ever he sees fit just like the guy before him did that he railed against for two years. And you expect me to believe you as an educated voter can put a guy in office and tell me how he is going to act on forgein affairs, environment, the Constitution or anything else??? Feel free to continue to do how ever your heart guides you. I will do the same. The last ecconomic melt down did nothing to change the game. The only thing I know for sure is the only thing that will change things is another meltdown of some sort much worse. I'm sure it will be a real hoot. Why not vote third party? It is only rigged because you allow it to be rigged. I feel bad for you if you don't feel empowered. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() pga_mike - 2012-08-16 12:14 PM Why not vote third party? It is only rigged because you allow it to be rigged. I feel bad for you if you don't feel empowered. Why, I don't. I personally am against capital punishment, but most other people are not. I don't loose a lot of sleep over it. Most of the American electorate are happy continuing this circus and the two parties are happy to oblige. Seems to be working just fine for the majority of Americans. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I gotta say I'm honestly shocked by the results to date. I know the BT CoJ crowd is hardly a representative sample, and that a lot of things can change between now and November, but I'm really surprised at the margin here. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() scoobysdad - 2012-08-17 1:47 PM I gotta say I'm honestly shocked by the results to date. I know the BT CoJ crowd is hardly a representative sample, and that a lot of things can change between now and November, but I'm really surprised at the margin here. I'm not. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() scoobysdad - 2012-08-17 2:47 PM I gotta say I'm honestly shocked by the results to date. I know the BT CoJ crowd is hardly a representative sample, and that a lot of things can change between now and November, but I'm really surprised at the margin here. Why? Looking at triathlon demographics, wouldn't you think the sport leans to the right? |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() ADollar79 - 2012-08-17 3:13 PM scoobysdad - 2012-08-17 2:47 PM I gotta say I'm honestly shocked by the results to date. I know the BT CoJ crowd is hardly a representative sample, and that a lot of things can change between now and November, but I'm really surprised at the margin here. Why? Looking at triathlon demographics, wouldn't you think the sport leans to the right? Yes, but my impression was that those who looked in on CoJ did not lean right. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Wow - who would have thought that Mitt would have a 2-1 lead over Barry... It's gonna be interesting! |
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