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 2010-01-30 8:19 PM |
Champion  6503    NOVA - Ironic for an Endurance Athlete |  Subject: I am getting a wild set up for my aero barsI am thinking about keeping the elbow pads low and raising up the handles about eye-high. Talk me out of it! |
| 2010-01-30 8:31 PM in reply to: #2645041 |
Champion 7595  Columbia, South Carolina | Subject: RE: I am getting a wild set up for my aero bars pga_mike - 2010-01-30 9:19 PM I am thinking about keeping the elbow pads low and raising up the handles about eye-high. Talk me out of it! Go for it. I recall hearing an episode of tri-talk (the podcast) where he reported a wind tunnel study. I can't remember the details (so beware...) but the short version is that they did wind tunnel tests in three positions -- flat, 'medium', and 'angled up considerably' (maybe 'eye-high'?) The best position was the last. But medium was worst. There was a catch somewhere but I can't remember what it was. Anybody recall? |
| 2010-01-30 8:35 PM in reply to: #2645041 |
Champion 7136 Knoxville area | Subject: RE: I am getting a wild set up for my aero bars are we talking about "praying mantis" here? Some of the elder guys can say more on it. As I remember it caused some precarious handling issues though. |
| 2010-01-30 8:37 PM in reply to: #2645078 |
Champion 6503 NOVA - Ironic for an Endurance Athlete | Subject: RE: I am getting a wild set up for my aero bars There is a well known, highly regarded, world ranked triathlete who does this. (With 4 beers in me, I cannot remember his name). It just hurts my shoulders to go forward with the aeros. |
| 2010-01-30 8:40 PM in reply to: #2645041 |
| over a barrier | Subject: RE: I am getting a wild set up for my aero bars You can set up like TJ and use nut cups for your elbows http://forum.slowtwitch.com/Slowtwitch_Forums_C1/Triathlon_Forum_F1... |
| 2010-01-30 8:43 PM in reply to: #2645083 |
Expert 721 Chenequa WI | Subject: RE: I am getting a wild set up for my aero bars pga_mike - 2010-01-30 8:37 PM It just hurts my shoulders to go forward with the aeros. Where does it hurt in your shoulders and how long into a ride in aero does it take before it hurts? Edited by Gritty 2010-01-30 8:45 PM |
| 2010-01-30 8:48 PM in reply to: #2645092 |
Champion 6503 NOVA - Ironic for an Endurance Athlete | Subject: RE: I am getting a wild set up for my aero bars Gritty - 2010-01-30 8:43 PM pga_mike - 2010-01-30 8:37 PM It just hurts my shoulders to go forward with the aeros. Where does it hurt in your shoulders and how long into a ride in aero does it take before it hurts? Outside of my shoulders & subscap...about 30 to 60 seconds |
| 2010-01-30 8:48 PM in reply to: #2645089 |
Champion 6503 NOVA - Ironic for an Endurance Athlete | Subject: RE: I am getting a wild set up for my aero bars running2far - 2010-01-30 8:40 PM You can set up like TJ and use nut cups for your elbows http://forum.slowtwitch.com/Slowtwitch_Forums_C1/Triathlon_Forum_F1... /> That's the guy! |
| 2010-01-30 8:56 PM in reply to: #2645041 |
Champion 7136 Knoxville area | Subject: RE: I am getting a wild set up for my aero bars I'd want to master the aerobars before I tackled TJ's position. That looks like a wreck waiting to happen. |
| 2010-01-30 9:01 PM in reply to: #2645105 |
Champion 6503 NOVA - Ironic for an Endurance Athlete | Subject: RE: I am getting a wild set up for my aero bars Leegoocrap - 2010-01-30 8:56 PM I'd want to master the aerobars before I tackled TJ's position. That looks like a wreck waiting to happen. WTF, I already wreck a couple of times a month. I might as well be comfortable before I wreck. |
| 2010-01-30 9:25 PM in reply to: #2645096 |
Expert 721 Chenequa WI | Subject: RE: I am getting a wild set up for my aero bars pga_mike - 2010-01-30 8:48 PM Gritty - 2010-01-30 8:43 PM pga_mike - 2010-01-30 8:37 PM It just hurts my shoulders to go forward with the aeros. Where does it hurt in your shoulders and how long into a ride in aero does it take before it hurts? Outside of my shoulders & subscap...about 30 to 60 seconds Wow. That's fast. The reason I asked is the shoulder pain I was getting this summer turned out to be aero bar pads that were too narrow. It was more musculature and would occur after about 45 minutes to an hour in aero. The only scapular pain that I had in the past was from too great of a reach. Not sure if tilting your bars to eye-level would help. What does the fit guy at your LBS say? |
| 2010-01-30 9:28 PM in reply to: #2645041 |
| Subject: RE: I am getting a wild set up for my aero bars Also Floyd Landis' setup |
| 2010-01-30 9:40 PM in reply to: #2645041 |
| Veteran 142 | Subject: RE: I am getting a wild set up for my aero bars I am pretty new to the game but to me TJ's set up looks like death, as in I would probably die cause of it,,,,but give it a go ya only live once. |
| 2010-01-30 9:47 PM in reply to: #2645109 |
Champion 7136 Knoxville area | Subject: RE: I am getting a wild set up for my aero bars pga_mike - 2010-01-30 10:01 PM Leegoocrap - 2010-01-30 8:56 PM I'd want to master the aerobars before I tackled TJ's position. That looks like a wreck waiting to happen. WTF, I already wreck a couple of times a month. I might as well be comfortable before I wreck. Aero or Die position... bring it back Mike... DO IT! |
| 2010-01-30 9:49 PM in reply to: #2645146 |
Pro 4313 McKinney, TX | Subject: RE: I am getting a wild set up for my aero bars ChrisM - 2010-01-30 9:28 PM Also Floyd Landis' setup Would that be a "needle in the butt" set-up? |
| 2010-01-31 2:43 AM in reply to: #2645041 |
Pro 5892 , New Hampshire | Subject: RE: I am getting a wild set up for my aero bars There's two problems the way I see it... first, the line between aerodynamic excellence and disaster is extremely fine with this set up... we're talking hand position up/down within 1/4"... too low and you will not shield you body from the wind, and too high, you'll create a perfect windtunnel for the airflow to hit your chest... This position pretty much has to be set up in a windtunnel to be efficient... Second problem is the instability... unless you're an amazing bike handler (and by your own admission, you have crashed a few times already this month...), this is downright dangerous... All in all, my recommendation would be to stay away from this, but as everything else, you choice. |
| 2010-01-31 7:25 AM in reply to: #2645184 |
Champion 6503 NOVA - Ironic for an Endurance Athlete | Subject: RE: I am getting a wild set up for my aero bars bradleyd3 - 2010-01-30 9:49 PM ChrisM - 2010-01-30 9:28 PM Also Floyd Landis' setup Would that be a "needle in the butt" set-up? I am looking for any advantage I can get to move up from FOMOP to BOFOP. A huge difference! |
| 2010-01-31 8:23 AM in reply to: #2645041 |
Elite 2768 Raleigh | Subject: RE: I am getting a wild set up for my aero bars Why not spend a few hundred bucks and get someone to fit you? Getting fit is not a one and done thing, sometimes you have to play with it and have several fits to get it right and then as you get more aggressive due to fitness, you have your bike fit checked again.
I have been fit and had several changes to my position, I also get tune ups every once in a while to make sure I am dailed in. I changed aero bars one time and started getting pains in the bone part of my fore arm, I went back to my guy and we tried everything, changed stems, pads, raised pads, narrower pad placement etc. We finally got it dailed in after 2 hours on the trainer in the bike store. I then went back a few times for little changes to get it dailed in. I feel like I am laying on the couch with I am in aero and prefer to ride that way over sitting up; that is comfortable. It will make all the difference in the world. |
| 2010-01-31 8:28 AM in reply to: #2645386 |
Champion 6503 NOVA - Ironic for an Endurance Athlete | Subject: RE: I am getting a wild set up for my aero bars trigods - 2010-01-31 8:23 AM Why not spend a few hundred bucks and get someone to fit you? Getting fit is not a one and done thing, sometimes you have to play with it and have several fits to get it right and then as you get more aggressive due to fitness, you have your bike fit checked again.
I have been fit and had several changes to my position, I also get tune ups every once in a while to make sure I am dailed in. I changed aero bars one time and started getting pains in the bone part of my fore arm, I went back to my guy and we tried everything, changed stems, pads, raised pads, narrower pad placement etc. We finally got it dailed in after 2 hours on the trainer in the bike store. I then went back a few times for little changes to get it dailed in. I feel like I am laying on the couch with I am in aero and prefer to ride that way over sitting up; that is comfortable. It will make all the difference in the world. I will be doing this with a fitter. It will be my fourth fit in a year, for just my TT bike. I have also been fit for my mtn and roadie. |
| 2010-01-31 8:32 AM in reply to: #2645041 |
Pro 4828 The Land of Ice and Snow | Subject: RE: I am getting a wild set up for my aero bars |
| 2010-01-31 8:36 AM in reply to: #2645402 |
Champion 7136 Knoxville area | Subject: RE: I am getting a wild set up for my aero bars aquagirl - 2010-01-31 9:32 AM I found a pic of how this dude looks on his bike. I cannot imagine riding this way!  to his defense, he's riding with his elbows in jock straps, so the position isn't all THAT weird  But, he makes money doing tri's and I don't so... |
| 2010-01-31 8:36 AM in reply to: #2645041 |
Elite 2768 Raleigh | Subject: RE: I am getting a wild set up for my aero bars tell him all of your issues and he should be able to get it dailed in for you to make it less painfull. Sometimes that means not being as agressive in the set up... |
| 2010-01-31 8:38 AM in reply to: #2645406 |
Elite 2768 Raleigh | Subject: RE: I am getting a wild set up for my aero bars Leegoocrap - 2010-01-31 8:36 AM aquagirl - 2010-01-31 9:32 AM I found a pic of how this dude looks on his bike. I cannot imagine riding this way! to his defense, he's riding with his elbows in jock straps, so the position isn't all THAT weird But, he makes money doing tri's and I don't so...
HE is also a engineer and spent time in the wind tunnel confirming this position is best for HIM....
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| 2010-01-31 8:43 AM in reply to: #2645041 |
Pro 4828 The Land of Ice and Snow | Subject: RE: I am getting a wild set up for my aero bars Mike here is a link to the article.......might help......... http://jayprasuhn.blogspot.com/2009/04/tj-tollaksons-new-race-setup-revealed.html |
| 2010-01-31 12:44 PM in reply to: #2645078 |
Champion 7233 | Subject: RE: I am getting a wild set up for my aero bars yeah i am going to have to say i would be careful with this. dropping the pads and raising the bar ends is going to do a few things. you are adding a LOT more drop, steering is going to get a LOT harder. and it may be slower. (this position is not faster foreveryone). |
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