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2012-11-07 10:58 PM

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Subject: Arguments against enhanced interrogation make no sense

Leaving aside moral objections, the arguments dealing with the efficacy of enhanced interrogation by the left seem to make no sense to me, and I'm a democrat.  

No dedicated terrorist like Abu Zubaydah is going to give you the information you want just by asking him.  To say you can trick you into giving you what you want or just be nice to them and they will give you what you want is absurd.  That is the equivalent of saying that if terrorists were looking for your child or your parents so they could kill them they could just be nice to you and promise you good prison conditions and eventually you will tell them. 

Then the left makes nonsensical objections like: "people will just say whatever you want them to say if you torture them".  Well of course they might try to lie, but eventually you will get to the truth.  If they lie to you keep going until you get to the truth.  If they say you can find them by looking in X location go check and if they aren't there try again.

The next objection is well this process is a waste of time.  Of course this is time consuming but the other option is to get no information out of the individual ever.    

The moral arguments are a different story.  I personally think if waterboarding an individual who you are 99.9% sure is a terrorist is necessary to save lives it should be done but I could see how a reasonable person would disagree.  One could argue that if we torture them they are more likely to torture us etc.  



2012-11-07 11:06 PM
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1/10. Wrong election.
2012-11-07 11:13 PM
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spudone - 2012-11-07 11:06 PM 1/10. Wrong election.

Because enhanced interrogation isn't currently an issue?  Did we win the war on terror already?  

2012-11-07 11:20 PM
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And to bring something of relevance to light, the world fastest snail can move 0.00615 MPH
2012-11-07 11:21 PM
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powerman - 2012-11-07 11:20 PM And to bring something of relevance to light, the world fastest snail can move 0.00615 MPH

Not with water being poured on it while it's strapped to a board. Laughing

2012-11-07 11:33 PM
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2012-11-07 11:34 PM
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powerman - 2012-11-07 11:20 PM And to bring something of relevance to light, the world fastest snail can move 0.00615 MPH

 

And how is this not relevant?  There are many high level sources that contend the enhanced interrogation of terrorists led to the capture of Khalid Sheik Mohammed who is often described as the mastermind of 9/11.  According to Rumseld, the former direct of the FBI, and others the enhanced interrogation of Mohammed and Zubaydah directly led to preventing future attacks and saving American lives.  

How is this not relevant?  We are still fighting the war on terror and how we treat the suspects we capture has major national security implications.  I know people on the left like to mislead the public about the nature of the war on terror but one can not reasonably say these issues are not relevant.  



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2012-11-07 11:52 PM
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And what exactly does it have to do with politics of today, the election, or what shape this country is in? The only thing the left has been worrying about for the last four years is how to waterboard the rich for more money.

In case you have not noticed, GITMO is still open.



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powerman - 2012-11-07 11:52 PM

And what exactly does it have to do with politics of today, the election, or what shape this country is in? The only thing the left has been worrying about for the last four years is how to waterboard the rich for more money.

In case you have not noticed, GITMO is still open.

Dude.....you failed to answer the question.  Just HOW is the speed of the snail NOT relevant?

2012-11-08 12:27 AM
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Maybe we should declare war on actual nations. Then we might be able to win now and then.
2012-11-08 12:30 AM
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spudone - 2012-11-08 12:27 AM Maybe we should declare war on actual nations. Then we might be able to win now and then.

You have obviously overlooked the relevance of the speed of snails. We could beat them....easily.



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Left Brain - 2012-11-07 1:30 AM

spudone - 2012-11-08 12:27 AM Maybe we should declare war on actual nations. Then we might be able to win now and then.

You have obviously overlooked the relevance of the speed of snails. We could beat them....easily.

It's OK to beat them.  It's just not OK to *beat* them.

2012-11-08 1:19 AM
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Left Brain - 2012-11-07 1:30 AM

spudone - 2012-11-08 12:27 AM Maybe we should declare war on actual nations. Then we might be able to win now and then.

You have obviously overlooked the relevance of the speed of snails. We could beat them....easily.

It's OK to beat them.  It's just not OK to *beat* them.

Yeah, I agree......when did that change?  It's crazy.

2012-11-08 7:36 AM
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powerman - 2012-11-08 12:20 AM

And to bring something of relevance to light, the world fastest snail can move 0.00615 MPH


African or European snail?
2012-11-08 7:59 AM
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powerman - 2012-11-08 12:20 AM And to bring something of relevance to light, the world fastest snail can move 0.00615 MPH
African or European snail?

Oooh escargot as an appetizer before dinner tonight?

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powerman - 2012-11-08 12:20 AM And to bring something of relevance to light, the world fastest snail can move 0.00615 MPH

Speaking of snails...Why do women have legs?



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powerman - 2012-11-08 12:20 AM And to bring something of relevance to light, the world fastest snail can move 0.00615 MPH
African or European snail?

Oooh escargot as an appetizer before dinner tonight?

I love escargot! 

2012-11-08 8:18 AM
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powerman - 2012-11-08 12:20 AM And to bring something of relevance to light, the world fastest snail can move 0.00615 MPH

Speaking of snails...Why do women have legs?

You are a Bad Bad Man!!!

 

I kinda like that in a guy. 

2012-11-08 9:40 AM
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powerman - 2012-11-07 11:52 PM

And what exactly does it have to do with politics of today, the election, or what shape this country is in? The only thing the left has been worrying about for the last four years is how to waterboard the rich for more money.

In case you have not noticed, GITMO is still open.

I guess you thought the Benghazi attacks were inspired by a video and were not an act of terror.  I thought Americans dying because of terrorism is kinda relevant.  Obviously the economy is issue number one today but I didn't know the standard for being able to talk about something is "is this the most important political issue today".

 Because people are not talking about an issue means it is not relevant?  So if I tried to talk about the threat Osama Bin Laden posed in July of 2001 that wouldn't be important right?  What about if I talked about the trading of derivatives and CDOs a few months before Lehman brothers crashed in 2008? All of those are not relevant by your standards.  

GITMO is still open which I don't really understand.  To my knowledge we no longer use enhanced interrogation there so I'm not sure why your comment is relevant.  Besides and holding people without trial in  this case while legal it is in my opinion is inhumane.  If they are guilty, convict them in closed court where the sensitive information can not get released publicly. 

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crowny2 - 2012-11-08 9:41 AM DNFTT

Issues important to the capture and interrogation of people killing Americans is clearly a troll topic.  I guess when it is not your children, your neighbors,  and your friends dying in terrorist attacks it is easy to ignore.  



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powerman - 2012-11-08 12:20 AM And to bring something of relevance to light, the world fastest snail can move 0.00615 MPH

Speaking of snails...Why do women have legs?

I love legs 

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mrbbrad - 2012-11-08 10:21 AM
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powerman - 2012-11-08 12:20 AM And to bring something of relevance to light, the world fastest snail can move 0.00615 MPH

Speaking of snails...Why do women have legs?

I love legs 

I'm a hamstring man, myself.  NOMNOMNOMNOM.

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Hotshotnidaleegg - 2012-11-08 9:14 AM

crowny2 - 2012-11-08 9:41 AM DNFTT

Issues important to the capture and interrogation of people killing Americans is clearly a troll topic.  I guess when it is not your children, your neighbors,  and your friends dying in terrorist attacks it is easy to ignore.  

Or when someone creates a new thread like this as their first post and has no other posts outside of this thread the trolldar goes off.

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Did you join just to talk about interrogation? Are you looking for people who have completed full IM's as test subjects to try new techniques on? People here love torture so I suppose we are a good group to test the toughest techniques on. 

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