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Calif. Judge Rules Teacher Tenure Law Unconstitutional
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 2014-06-10 4:29 PM |
 Subject: Calif. Judge Rules Teacher Tenure Law Unconstitutional |
| 2014-06-10 6:03 PM in reply to: DanielG |
| Subject: RE: Calif. Judge Rules Teacher Tenure Law Unconstitutional Interesting to see where this goes. Judge Treu is a trial court judge and his ruling would have no precedential effect. But it is a shot across the union's bow. |
| 2014-06-11 5:34 AM in reply to: DanielG |
 1159   | Subject: RE: Calif. Judge Rules Teacher Tenure Law Unconstitutional i kind of wondering if it was going to go that way - my mom is a teacher (although in Australia) and she complains quite often about teachers who just suck, that the kids hate because they can't teach, but that schools can't/don't want to get rid of because of seniority/tenure |
| 2014-06-11 6:37 PM in reply to: austhokie |
55 Orange County, California | Subject: RE: Calif. Judge Rules Teacher Tenure Law Unconstitutional I never understood tenure. Who the hell in the world is guaranteed a job for life after 2-3 years of service. |
| 2014-06-12 11:47 AM in reply to: markowma |
Champion 6993  Chicago, Illinois | Subject: RE: Calif. Judge Rules Teacher Tenure Law Unconstitutional I got this from http://teachertenure.procon.org/#Background "Prior to the introduction of teacher tenure, teachers were often fired for non-work related reasons. Teachers could be dismissed if a new political party took power or if a principal wanted to give jobs to his friends. Calls for special protections for teachers coincided with the women’s suffrage movement and labor struggles during the late 19th century. The National Education Association issued a report in 1885 advocating for public school teachers to receive tenure to protect against political favoritism and discrimination based on gender and race. In 1886, Massachusetts became the first state to pass a pre-college tenure law. [1] When nearly 10,000 teachers arrived in Chicago for the 1887 NEA conference, teacher tenure was one of the main discussion topics. In 1909, New Jersey passed the first comprehensive K-12 tenure law in the US. Proponents of the teacher tenure law in New Jersey argued that it would attract more qualified teachers and eliminate political favoritism, while opponents warned that tenure would make it more difficult to remove ineffective teachers." |
| 2014-06-12 12:12 PM in reply to: chirunner134 |
| 1159 | Subject: RE: Calif. Judge Rules Teacher Tenure Law Unconstitutional Originally posted by chirunner134 I got this from http://teachertenure.procon.org/#Background "Prior to the introduction of teacher tenure, teachers were often fired for non-work related reasons. Teachers could be dismissed if a new political party took power or if a principal wanted to give jobs to his friends. Calls for special protections for teachers coincided with the women’s suffrage movement and labor struggles during the late 19th century. The National Education Association issued a report in 1885 advocating for public school teachers to receive tenure to protect against political favoritism and discrimination based on gender and race. In 1886, Massachusetts became the first state to pass a pre-college tenure law. [1] When nearly 10,000 teachers arrived in Chicago for the 1887 NEA conference, teacher tenure was one of the main discussion topics. In 1909, New Jersey passed the first comprehensive K-12 tenure law in the US. Proponents of the teacher tenure law in New Jersey argued that it would attract more qualified teachers and eliminate political favoritism, while opponents warned that tenure would make it more difficult to remove ineffective teachers." I can understand the need for tenure, but on the other hand tenure after 2-3 years seems a bit questionable...maybe 10-15, but 2-3 just seems unrealistic for a teacher to establish a pattern of behavior/teaching ability (only 2-3 school years) etc |
| 2014-06-12 5:19 PM in reply to: chirunner134 |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: Calif. Judge Rules Teacher Tenure Law Unconstitutional Originally posted by chirunner134 I got this from http://teachertenure.procon.org/#Background"Prior to the introduction of teacher tenure, teachers were often fired for non-work related reasons. Teachers could be dismissed if a new political party took power or if a principal wanted to give jobs to his friends. Calls for special protections for teachers coincided with the women’s suffrage movement and labor struggles during the late 19th century. The National Education Association issued a report in 1885 advocating for public school teachers to receive tenure to protect against political favoritism and discrimination based on gender and race. In 1886, Massachusetts became the first state to pass a pre-college tenure law. [1] When nearly 10,000 teachers arrived in Chicago for the 1887 NEA conference, teacher tenure was one of the main discussion topics. In 1909, New Jersey passed the first comprehensive K-12 tenure law in the US. Proponents of the teacher tenure law in New Jersey argued that it would attract more qualified teachers and eliminate political favoritism, while opponents warned that tenure would make it more difficult to remove ineffective teachers." That is some interesting background. I've always done the WTF about tenure in general but admittedly didn't know any of the history. A good friend of mine is a tenured professor at the University of Nebraska and he always talks about having academic freedom and the ability to tackle controversial topics without any worries. I actually agree with that and it makes sense. Obviously we can argue about how long you must be there, but ok. Now, when it comes to K-12 education I think the "academic freedom" argument kind of falls apart. I don't think there's too many of us that want our teachers having academic freedom to go wander off the beating path because of where they may wander. Can a tenured teacher start teaching the bible? I mean, they can't be fired right? (dumb example, but I think you get what I'm saying) A lot of the origins based on what you posted chi seem to be pretty antiquated. There are so many other laws and protections for teachers being fired base on race/religion/etc.. that tenure offers no additional protections there today as far as I'm concerned. On the surface, I do feel that a principle of a publicly funded K-12 schools should have the ability to fire a teacher if he/she isn't performing up to standards. That's no different than any other job in the world. |
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